30 thoughts on “Gaza: Language of Genocide – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. “It became evident to U.S. officials that Israeli leaders believed mass civilian casualties were an acceptable price in the military campaign. In private conversations with American counterparts, Israeli officials referred to how the United States and other allied powers resorted to devastating bombings in Germany and Japan during World War II — including the dropping of the two atomic warheads in Hiroshima and Nagasaki — to try to defeat those countries.“
    That quote from today’s NYTIMES.
    Can you believe how they are justifying this?

  2. I was reading the comments section of a Haaretz article about the war, and a few posters still seem to be asserting that “mass rapes” took place on October 7th. Has there been any verification of this, or is it Bibi lying again ?

      1. [comment deleted: I don’t permit terror porn here. If you want promote discussion of that or promotional propaganda about it, go elsewhere.

        You may publish only ONE comment per thread. Not three as you did here. Publish more than one or respond to this one, it will be your last.]

        1. @ Shay: Your comment has nothing to do with the post. Make sure your comment directly relates to the subject of the post. And make sure what you’re responding to in the post is clear in the body of your comment.

  3. The saddest event since the establishment of Israel, yet so many have warned the country was heading to a new catastrophe.

    The response of the global community should be one of compassion for the Palestinian people, a nation without a state. This effectively delegitimizes Israel’s establishment as the full intent of two state living in peace was never realized. Nakba was a crime against humanity in a turbulent periode of the Middle East. Zionism has out of desperation of Bibi Netanyahu, formed a cabinet with a terrorist group named after Kahane. Relentless provocation and crimes against the rights of Palestinian was the result.

    In time of great need, it are Jewish voices that call for the end of genocide. The so-called Abraham Accords of economic wealth sealed the fate of Palestine and unwittingly too the future of the Jewish state. The victim has indeed become the perpetrator and the Western world, especially the Europe Union, a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, had been a total failure in support for a Free Palestine.

    Unfortunately on this event, one of your best writings Richard …. grieving 😢 and much appreciated.

    I have come to the conclusion, the ICC in my hometown of The Hague, city of Carnegie and Peace ☮️ ,has been taken hostage as a political tool by the U.S., UK and the Dutch under Mark Rutte. To further his personal ambition to become the next SG of NATO by his decisions, he sold out the Dutch and the Palestinian people. Rutte was fond of president Trump and Boris Johnson … figures.

    1. Herzl was a man of his time.

      Zionism and German Colonial Fantasies

      The fallacy of colonizing Palestinian land should never have become doctrine of the Jewish State. Colonizers throughout history of mankind brought with them Genocide of the indigenous peoples. See the life of Raphael Lemkin:

      According to Lemkin, colonization was in itself “intrinsically genocidal” He saw this genocide as a two-stage process, the first being the destruction of the indigenous population’s way of life. In the second stage, the newcomers impose their way of life on the indigenous group.

      In November 1944, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published Axis Rule in Occupied Europe. This book included an extensive legal analysis of German rule in countries occupied by Nazi Germany during the course of World War II, along with the definition of the term genocide. Lemkin’s idea of genocide as an offence against international law was widely accepted by the international community and was one of the legal bases of the Nuremberg Trials. In 1945 to 1946, Lemkin became an advisor to Supreme Court of the United States Justice and Nuremberg Trial chief counsel Robert H. Jackson. The book became one of the foundational texts in Holocaust studies, and the study of totalitarianism, mass violence, and genocide studies.

  4. Richard said:

    ” Israelis are occupiers and invaders”.

    Really? What date in history did my family and I become occupiers and invaders (and subject to extreme, self-determination violence)?

    May, 1948?
    June, 1967?
    November, 1917?

    BTW, my family began to arrive here in 1812 as messianic Jews.

    1. Under Ottoman Rule how were Christians, Jews and Sunny Arabs living together in Palestine, the Damascus Eyalet (directorate)? Would be interested in your ancestor’s history from 1812 forward.

      Spanish decree of the Inquisition of 1492, Jewish refugees were welcomed in Constantinople.

      Expulsion as Zionism’s logical imperative was clearly seen by Herzl as early as June 12, 1895. At the time he was still formulating his ideas about Zionism and confided to his diary: “We shall try to spirit the penniless population [Palestinians] across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

      The Jewish-Ottoman Land Company: Herzl’s Blueprint for the Colonization of Palestine (1901)

      1. @Oui

        According to the Harvard Professor of History, Derek Penslar, Herzl may have either been thinking about Palestine, or he may have been thinking about Zionist settlements in South America.
        Whichever he was thinking about, Herzl hadn’t stepped foot in Palestine when he made the private diary entry in 1895.
        See, Israel in History: The Jewish State in Comparative Perspective, Taylor & Francis, 2007, p. 56.

        Either way, Oui, who the heck added ‘Palestinians’ into Herzl’s quote?
        (That’s not what a real historian does).

        Here is the actual quote, which has everything to do with creating Jewish settlements, and nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.

        “When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly … It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire world a wonderful example … Should there be many such immovable owners in individual areas [who would not sell their property to us], we shall simply leave them there and develop our commerce in the direction of other areas which belong to us.”– The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl, vol. 1 (New York: Herzl Press and Thomas Yoseloff, 1960), pp. 88,

        1. Thank you for the more complete quote.History is so distorted and cherry-picked for bias. We need evenhandedness. I started to read these original Zionists a few years ago, and others including Chaim Weizmann. This makes me want to go back to this. My impression was that the colonizers wanted to live in peace and cooperation with the native Arabs; at least some of them did. Over the years those traumatized from the Holocaust, not all by any means, along with others who were not so inclined to live together, but to claim the land by right, clashed with the native population that also had a legitimate claim. And this grew into today’s entrenched ugliness. Peaceful people are for the most part silent. The warriors and the traumatized that could not evolve on both sides took over. That is too simplistic but I’ll leave it at that.

        2. @ Yellow:

          who the heck added ‘Palestinians’ into Herzl’s quote?

          Quotations are bracketed by quotation marks. There are no quotation marks around that passage in Oui’s comment.

          Herzl may have either been thinking about Palestine, or he may have been thinking about Zionist settlements in South America.

          the actual quote, which has everything to do with creating Jewish settlements, and nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.

          It actually has a great deal to do with genocide. So does it matter whether it was ethnic cleansing or washing laundry? Not really. Nor does it matter whether he was talking about Siam or Outer Mongolia. Whether Herzl contemplated what today we would call genocide in Latin America or Palestine, it was still the founder of Zionism saying that for it to succeed it would need to implement a policy of genocide.

    2. When you and your family they up arms to deny Palestinians the freedom of movement in the land in which you and your family arrived as their guests.

  5. Meine Cousine, American but heart in Israel, as so many Jews have theirs, highly invested in Israel, is in a place mentally now where there no case to be made for the Palestinians. To see beyond the horror of October 7th is not possible. The gruesome details get repeated, explicitly, itemized. Israel TV is on. I imagine there they have constant repetition on TV, updated info, of this massacre keeping the shock and outrage focused.
    It has to work or aim to to prevent seeing and feeling or caring about what is happening in Gaza, except that “our boys” and hostages are there. Only Israelis pain matters. This is what I am getting from relatives.
    Yes it’s a period of national mourning. But you cannot offer that there is a context and history; that would take away from the certainty of the mood. You cannot point out that this is a cycle and also a trap; the response has repercussions already. Blinders on, just like the enemy: what Israel must do to retaliate,for vengeance in the name of “deterrence”.. “they are ISIS”. “It’s just like our 9/11, even like Pearl Harbor” “not since the Holocaust”…. drop bombs now,maybe atomic or nuclear?a deterrence “once and for all”.

    That this works perversely does not register.It’s blind rage now, the blindness of retaliation, vengeance. And Bibi must save himself. I hear he is at 18% approval. So he must work harder, the only method he knows.
    Does it matter that we say that?
    The corollary, Palestinians,with Hamas taking advantage of the creeping situation with extraordinary violence, are not entitled to their rage. Not THIS I am told: it should be more civil. “They should have killed a few soldiers.” That would have been more reasonable.

    You cannot say this did not come out of the blue; you will be accused of justifying it. But Israel can justify especially because we help. Israel is justified.

    Biden maybe is realizing that this reflects on us and will have consequences for our national security and for the 2024 election.

    Hamas has succeeded beyond it’s goals, maybe it’s wildest dreams ( like Osama Bin Laden did) taking us into the great unknown, awakening the world. Hamas must have known that it was going to be a suicide-murder mission, seemingly with little unified planning after a certain point of planning, how this might get out of hand.

    We should let them talk. The BBC did. I’d like to know where else.

  6. Richard, explain how attacking, murdering, and kipnapping children is “defending its Palestinian homeland” or “armed resistance against a foreign occupier.” You can call out Israeli violence in the strongest terms without resorting to characterizing Hamas’s latest attack as somehow resisting occupation. Nothing they did resisted anything or defended any Palestinian position. It was just a murdering spree. The existence of other murders doesn’t change what this one was.

    1. If I may David, It’s the horror that penetrates, raises the temperature. Israelis have become immune to plain deaths, theirs much fewer in number, maybe leadership feels okay it’s the price to pay. Israel would just mow down any eruption. Hamas reacted to perhaps, as Steve below says, change the equation. That’s speculation. The facts are the continuing blockade for 16 years, no hope, no peace process, encroachments on the Temple mount, right wing government in Israel aiming to take all the West Bank, more violence, Israel’s economic and military relations with Arab countries with little of nothing for Palestinians ( maybe promises). The goal I heard was much more transactional as well: release of prisoners Israel holds. Hamas, or some, must have been surprised at how out of hand it got. But the terrorists seemed prepared no holds barred. Were they on drugs? Suiciders for sure. It would be good to hear what leaders have to say now. But Israel seems hell bent on killing them all…if possible. It find it hard to disassociate this from what precipitated it but people are making the case that you are, that his is separate and pure evil. I don’t think this is out of the blue. The causes were there for a long time and getting worse.

    2. @ David:

      explain

      I don’t explain anything to anyone who demands that I do so. This isn’t a high school debate. You don’t get to give me gotcha questions had hope you can ambush me.

      explain how attacking, murdering, and kipnapping children is “defending its Palestinian homeland” or “armed resistance against a foreign occupier

      When you explain how attacking murdering, kidnapping and jailing children is defending against an existential threat to Israel’s existence.

      You can call out Israeli violence in the strongest terms without resorting to characterizing Hamas’s latest attack as somehow resisting occupation.

      No. You can. I can’t. I do not have to defend Israel. There is no moral equivalence between genocide and anything else. Genocide is what it is. Everything else is not, no matter how bad it may be.

      Nothing they did resisted anything or defended any Palestinian position.

      And you understand what Hamas’ mission goal and strategy was? Because you have their plans? Because you heard them say it on your speakerphone? Not to mention, why would you assume you have a right to to interpret a Palestinian decision and whether it was right, wrong or indifferent? Did any Palestinian ask for your opinion?

      One comment per thread. You’re done in this one.

      1. When you explain how attacking murdering, kidnapping and jailing children is defending against an existential threat to Israel’s existence

        What does an existential threat have to do with whether or not murder and kidnapping innocent civilians is defending a Palestinian homeland or resisting occupation?

        And I didn’t claim to have any information about Hamas’s goals or strategies other than what they’ve said publicly.

  7. Did you see that article in Politico about the White House predicting the “end” of Netanyahu’s time in office? I wonder if they are plotting to have him couped, since they clearly don’t trust him to continue leading. Certainly a better fate for him than some of the alternatives.

  8. What rights of Palestinians?

    Germany as guarantor of the existence of a Zionist state in the Middle East … Green Party duo Annalena Baerbock and Robert Habeck.

    Burning of Israeli flags during demonstrations and “praising Hamas terror” were criminal offenses. 

    “Any German citizen who does this will have to answer for such offenses in court. Those who are not German cititzens will also risk their residency status.”

  9. Recently EC President VDL spoke at the Hudson Institute (19 Oct. 2023) and praised their outstanding job.

    There was no limit to the blood, Hamas terrorists wanted to spill. They went home by home. They burned people alive. They mutilated children and babies. Why? Because they were Jews. Because they were living in the State of Israel.

    And Hamas’ explicit goal is to eradicate Jewish life from the Holy Land. These terrorists, supported by their friends in Tehran will never stop.

    Hudson Institute board member and philanthropist Nina Rosenwald, founder of the Gatestone Institute, has used her millions to cement the alliance between the pro-Israel lobby and the Islamophobic fringe. Includes Dutch Islamophobe Geert Wilders who may become part of next Dutch government after 22 November general election.

    ”An American anti-Muslim megadonor is publishing fake news that’s giving a boost to a German far-right party in Sunday’s election | 22 Sept. 2017 | “

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