13 thoughts on “Betraying Mossad: Case of Prisoner X2 – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. As far as I know, the Rosenbergs’ attempt at spying caused very little, if any, damage to the US. To my humble knowledge, their contemporary portrayal as The Betrayers of The A-bomb Secrets to the Soviets was a successfully-orchestrated myth.

    1. What would be the U.S. motive to fake the Rosenbergs’ activities as traitorous? That they spied for the Soviet Union was no way an “attempt” at spying. That their spying was not a myth is simply not in question. That they were clumsy and stupid at how they went about their spying is not to excuse what they did. That they were executed for it is a separate philosophic issue concerning application of the death penalty: it does not excuse them from the penalty for spying and who they did if for. Besides permitting the Soviet Union to save years in their quest to develop a nuclear weapon, it accelerated their development of systems to deliver their weapon designs, and in retrospect accelerated the development of some of the worst aspects of the former cold war.

      1. @ Robert Mullenb: The information offered by the Rosenbergs wasn’t very helpful to the Soviets. Klaus Fuchs did far, far more damage. He escaped and fled to Russia and faced no penalty for his betrayal. The Rosenbergs were very small cogs in the Russian espionage apparatus. Giving them the death penalty was terribly unjust and a miscarriage of justice.

        1. RS re: Rosenberg: “I consider your crime worse than murder. . .I believe your putting into the hands of the Russians the A-bomb years before our best scientists predicted before the Russians would perfect the bomb has already caused, in my opinion, the communist aggression in Korea, with the resulting casualties exceeding 50,000 and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason. Indeed, by your betrayal you undoubtedly altered the course of history to the disadvantage of our country. No one can say that we do not live in a constant state of tension. We have evidence of your treachery all around us every day for the civil defense activities throughout the nation are aimed at preparing us for an atom bomb attack”

          Remarks of sentencing Judge Irving R. Kaufman on 5 April 1951 (transcript, Rosenberg Case, pp. 1615-1616. In: Romerstein, Herbert and Eric Breindel. The Venona Secrets. Regnery, 2000, Washingto, D.C.)

          1. And you think the ridiculous unfounded words of the presiding judge will sway us because??? The Rosenbergs no more put an A bomb in the hands of the Russians than my aunt Sadie did. They sent a few crude drawings that showed hardly anything of value. As I wrote, it was Klaus Fuchs who not only had the personal expertise to understand the material he was stealing, but to convey it to the Russians in a way that they could use scientifically. The Rosenbergs had no such knowledge.

            Irving Kaufman was a Jewish anti-Communist Cold Warrior who was sold a pack of lies by the prosecution & swallowed them hook line & sinker. His role in the killing of the Rosenbergs is as shameful as that of the Justice Department & FBI.

      2. @Robert Mullenb
        I wasn’t referring to the culpability of their actions but to the claim that they were the ones who betrayed the A-Bomb secrets to Stalin. A claim which, as far as I know, has long been proven false.

          1. rs: He was arrested, tried and sentenced under english law: hardly a non sequiter except perhaps in the mind of one who cannot distinguish between apples and orangea.

          2. @robert mullen: Again, this is a total non sequitur. Whether or not he was tried & convicted is irrelevant to the case of the Rosenbergs. THis is your last comment in this thread. Move on to another.

  2. Re: Pollard – most people I’ve spoken to in the American intelligence community think he was worse than the Rosenbergs and they wish they could render a different verdict upon him. It creates an even larger issue when anyone asks for his clemency from the pro-Israeli crowd, especially if they also claim to represent some sort of Jewish-American caucus. Who knows if this is inadvertant (they don’t know what Pollard really did) or another case of double standards for the self-chosen (they know, but think it’s justified), but “it’s not good for the Jews”. It gives the wrong impression entirely.

    In my opinion, Pollard got a good end for what he did. Re: Prisoner X – looks like someone is just using that entire story and your assumed veracity of “leaks” to hurt your credibility. I think your original story had legs, was true, and these ulterior stories are other hidden prisoners brought forth as “Prisoner X”.

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