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Israel Tests New Highly Lethal, Cancer-Causing Tungsten Bomb in Gaza


Hat tip to Sol Salbe for turning me on to the following story by Haaretz’s Meron Rapoport.

Forget about Israel being a “light unto the nations” as the seminal early Zionist thinker Ahad HaAm used to say. Think more like Nazi Germany and the Spanish Civil War. Besides an ideological affinity between Franco’s fascists and Hitler, the Fuhrer found that conflict a perfect testing ground for Germany’s new weapons technology. During the Civil War, the Luftwaffe first previewed the new technique of aerial bombardment to devastating effect in places like Guernica. Hitler and Goering got to test all of their new playtoys like the Messerschmitts, Junkers, and anti-tank cannons.

It seems that Israel has been using Gazans in precisely the same way since its invasion following the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit. The weapon it has tested, known by the acronym DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosive), works to horrifying effect:

An investigative report to be aired on Italian television Wednesday raises the possibility that Israel has used an experimental weapon in the Gaza Strip in recent months, causing especially serious physical injuries, such as amputated limbs and severe burns.

Just to be clear about my analogy above (for the sake of the Little Green Footballs harpies among my readers), I did not intend to say that Israel as a whole is like Franco’s Spain or the U.S. like Nazi Germany. I merely meant to make an analogy to the ways in which this particular weapon was developed and possibly “lent out” to the IDF for experimental purposes.

The weapon is similar to one developed by the U.S. military, known as DIME, which causes a powerful and lethal blast, but only within a relatively small radius…

The investigation, by Rai24news, follows reports by Gaza-based doctors of inexplicably serious injuries. The doctors reported an exceptionally large number of wounded who lost legs, of completely burned bodies and injuries unaccompanied by metal shrapnel. Some of the doctors also claimed that they removed particles from wounds that could not be seen in an x-ray machine.

Dr. Habas al-Wahid, head of the emergency room at the Shuhada al-Aqsa hospital, in Deir el-Balah, told the reporters that the legs of the injured were sliced from their bodies “as if a saw was used to cut through the bone.” There were signs of heat and burns near the point of the amputation, but no signs that the dismemberment was caused by metal fragments.

Dr. Juma Saka, of Shifa Hospital, in Gaza City, said the doctors found small entry wounds on the bodies of the wounded and the dead. According to Saka, a powder was found on the victims’ bodies and in their internal organs.

DIME bomb explosionThe fruits of DIME (credit: Air Force Research Laboratory)

Haaretz quotes U.S. military websites which describe DIME and how it works:

According to the official website of a U.S. air force laboratory, it is a “focused lethality” weapon, which aims to accurately destroy the target while causing minimum damage to the surrounding.

According to the site, the projectile comprises a carbon-fiber casing filled with tungsten powder and explosives. In the explosion, tungsten particles – a metal capable of conducting very high temperatures – spread over a radius of four meters [12 feet] and cause death.

According to the U.S.-based website Defense-Tech, “the result is an incredibly destructive blast in a small area” and “the destructive power of the mixture causes far more damage than pure explosive.” It adds that “the impact of the micro-shrapnel seems to cause a similar but more powerful effect than a shockwave.”

Defense Tech specifies a much larger kill zone:

In the case of the SDB [Small Diameter Bomb], that gives a destructive radius of about 25 feet.

So from a purely layperson’s perspective, this weapon seems designed to kill anything within a 12-25 foot radius (depending on which source you believe) and not kill anything outside it. But unlike other more conventional weapons with less lethality, it would essentially leave almost nothing or no one alive within that sphere.

If I understand it correctly, the tungsten fibers act with such savage penetrating force they become, in effect, circular saws which sever limbs from the body. The Defense Tech site calls them “micro-shrapnel.” Is this beyond ghoulish or what? Israel has already committed violence worthy of war crimes in Lebanon this summer. It appears that it also wishes the world to see it as the Frankenstein monster of military technology. If this doesn’t add a Frankenstein factor, I don’t know what will:

It is believed that the weapon is highly carcinogenic and harmful to the environment.

This passage refers to this Defense Tech article: Cancer Worries for New U.S. Bombs:

In a study designed to simulate shrapnel injuries, pellets of weapons-grade tungsten alloy were implanted in 92 rats. Within five months all the animals [T.O.-emphasis mine] developed a rare cancer called rhabdomyosarcoma

I do hope that the Gazan DIME victims and their doctors realize that they are at extremely high risk for developing cancer. So there you have it: a weapon designed to kill more efficiently which inadvertently becomes an environmental disaster for anyone unluckly enough to have been innocent and struck by it. Do you think the IDF will be offering free medical treatment to the Gazans who develop cancer due to this odious weapon?

A University of Arizona cancer researcher had this to say about the cancer risk:

“My opinion is that there needs to be much more research on the health effects of tungsten before the military increases its usage.”

You can see why it’s so attractive for the Air Force to farm out this weapon to Israel which has no compunction about causing a few cancer cases among Palestinians. The IAF doesn’t need to wait for “more research on the health effects” of DIME. “Bombs away” is their motto.

Given what we’ve come to expect from IDF spokespeople I half expected to hear them call DIME a “humanitarian weapon” because it supposedly doesn’t kill indiscriminately, but rather kills a specific target in a small geographic area. You can bet your bottom dollar you’re eventually going to hear DIME called a precision or targeted munition. And the IDF will tout its new ability to kill better and cleaner.

I’d also have thought that the IDF would flat out deny use of the new weapon especially since it’s apparently based on a U.S. designed munition. One would think Israel would like to keep such stuff hush-hush. Apparently not:

Israel Air Force Maj.-Gen (res.) Yitzhak Ben-Israel, formerly head of the IDF’s weapons-development program, told the Italian reporters that “one of the ideas [behind the weapon] is to allow those targeted to be hit without causing damage to bystanders or other persons.”

…Ben-Israel told the Italian reporters that “this is a technology that allows the striking of very small targets.”

In some small way, the IDF has validated my analogy between Gaza and Franco’s Spain with this statement made during the Lebanon war:

“This [the Lebanon war] is more like the Spanish Civil War,” says Daniel Seaman, an Israeli government spokesman. “What we are seeing is a series of conflicts that foreshadow a future world conflict, just as the Spanish Civil war prefigured
the Second World War.”

And if the killing fields of Gaza and Lebanon are like pre-WWII Spain, why not use the natives as guinea pigs to test out weapons we’ll be using in that “future world conflict?”

The new weapon is so advanced that international law doesn’t appear to know what to make of it:

The report says that the weapon is not banned by international law, especially since it has not been officially tested.

One wonders what role or connection the U.S. military plays in all this. Did the IDF get the technology from the U.S.? Did it develop the weapon separately from the U.S.? Did, perhaps, the U.S. use the IDF in precisely the same way as Hitler used Franco’s soldiers–to test new weapons which it cannot yet test in battlefield conditions?

Happily for the U.S. military, Israel does not feel bound by the same moral constraints that sometimes (though much more rarely now) bind our forces. Therefore, it would’ve been oh so convenient for Rummy’s guys to test this thing out on Gazan guinea pigs. After all, what’s the blood of a few lowly Palestinians worth these days?

If this were southern Lebanon, Nasrallah could launch a few missiles against Israel to make it pay a price for such egregious disrespect of Arab lives. But as it is, Palestinian rocketeers have weapons little better than glorified slingshots compared to DIME. They cannot exact much of a price for Israel’s depredations against the Palestinian people.

Reading this passage from a Navy League of the U.S. website, one sees that DIME was practically designed with densely-packed urban Gaza in mind:

Under a project titled Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME), Dahlgren scientists are studying the effects of adding dense metallic particles, such as tungsten, to a high-explosive chemical mixture. According to tests performed at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., the detonation of such a mixture shows increased deadly effects at a slightly greater range from the center of blast, contrasted with conventional explosives. But the DIME mixture’s lethality falls sharply a short range from the blast center, reducing the chance of destroying something other than the intended target.

The DIME concept is particularly interesting to the Navy for use in urban areas. Cook explains: “a normal blast-frag warhead has high-explosive putting fragments out. You get a high probability of kill, but it lasts for quite a distance. That means that if you were to drop a blast-frag weapon in the middle of a city block you would be doing a lot of damage in an urban area,” which is not always the effect U.S. forces want to achieve. With DIME, the blast effect equals that of a blast-fragment weapon, but the chances of collateral damage appear to be substantially less, said Cook.

If you read the military-oriented websites discussing DIME you note that none of them talk about the effect of the impact on the intended victim. They all tout the weapon’s greater precision and lower lethality at longer distances. That seems a perfect illustration of the military mind which hardly thinks of its victims except in terms of how to kill them more efficiently.

Marc Garlasco, Human Rights Watch’s resident bomb blast expert, points out that the Army’s intention of reducing casualties may be precisely negated by using DIME in urban areas:

While Human Rights Watch is supportive of the US military’s commitment to reducing civilian casualties, collateral damage as they call it, it is unfortunate that these weapons are being developed specifically for use in densely populated areas which may negate the intended effect.

If you’re trying to kill a bad guy in an urban setting, does the IDF not realize that innocent bystanders will be highly likely within the 12-25 kill zone? And if the weapon provides for increased lethality within that zone might it not be possible that you would kill more, rather than less innocents by using it in the most densely packed urban environment on earth, Gaza? And the testimony by Gaza doctors of the wounds which the new Israeli munition caused seem to bear this out. Unless of course every single victim brought to their hospitals was a Palestinian bad guy.

The Wall Street Journal touts DIME enthusiastically (natch!) in one of its columns.

If there are any Italian readers among those reading this post who could find the link at the Rai site and provide me a fuller account of this report I’d be grateful.

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  • David October 23, 2006, 2:13 AM

    Richard,

    You compared israel to nazi germany at the top of this posting (scroll up to see where). For the differences between the two I would like to recommend wikipedia’s tens of entries on nazi germany, find the differences yourself.

    What makes you think that Hamas will agree with leaving any of the settlements in place? They demand unconditional evacuation of all territories, in return for a Hudna, a limited truce, not even a recognition of Israel. I have never heard of the Arab initiative considering territorial adjustments – where did you get this from, i would be happy to know since it is a remarkable development.

    The mistrust between us and them (sorry but this is how it is) is not baseless. How do they feel about us right now? Why did they have to bring it down to this? There was an unprecedented wave of goodwill in year 2000, why did they instead embark on a deadly adventure with the second intifada when we least expected it? Did they not have our trust then? The main problem is that we did trust them, only to be disillusioned by savage suicide bombings. They had flourishing towns then, they had self rule, they had a proposal for a fair land exchange and would have gotten all the land, based on territorial adjustments – same as we are willing to do today and even more. The Jerusalem problem could have been solved creatively – this was the actual break in trustbetween us and them. What has changed since then in their mindset? What makes you think they would settle for what they didn’t want to settle for 6 years ago when there still was trust between us when they keep saying day and night they want our destruction? I don’t find this good grounds for an agreement – so all we’re asking for is a hint at a change of mindset on the Hamas part.

    Unfortunately, Hamas never agreed to a deal with Israel, not now, not then, and there is no way you can twist that around. This is why they bombed us in 1996 1995 at the hight of the peace process – to fail it – can’t you see that?

    Hamas, as unfortuate and disconcerting as it may be, does not want to negotiate for peace. They want to get it all, and get the rest later, with no long term commitments. And they say it openly day and night. I’m not saying that we can’t work out anything with Abbas though, and I support trying it at least, but the chances are quite slim that he can pull this through. I don’t trust there will be a change of mindset on the Hamas side of the map following a deal, but the reason I am for it is that it will finally get Israel off the international hook, quiet down our conscience and may perhaps be a better environment for extremism within the pal population to decrease. I would however hope to see more websites trying to promote the understanding of palestinians to Israel too, because otherwise they will never understand that Israel is not pure evil, that we are willing to negotiate in good will, and that we all have everything to gain from peace in our area. What do you say, do you think you can help in un-demonizing the Israeli side too, as you try to do to the pal one? Don’t you think it will help create a better chance for understanding and good will?

  • Richard Silverstein October 23, 2006, 7:58 PM

    You compared israel to nazi germany at the top of this posting

    A bit more sensitivity in yr reading is called for. I did not compare ISRAEL as a whole to Nazi Germany. I compared the U.S. military’s use of the IDF as a military proxy in Lebanon to Hitler’s use of Franco’s Spain as its military proxy during the Spanish civil war. I was comparing U.S. military practices to Nazi military practices. I was not comparing Israel as a nation or its national values to Nazism. I’ll thank you to not make the mistake of confusing the distinction I’ve just made for you.

    What makes you think that Hamas will agree with leaving any of the settlements in place?

    Hamas is not a lone actor in this conflict. There are also Fatah & the other front line Arab states that must be factored in. There is no way in heaven that Hamas could buck a consensus agreement among all Arab states to sue for peace with Israel. But this would require a significant concession from Israel–withdrawal back to 1967 boundaries. The 2002 Saudi/Arab League proposal provides Arab recognition of Israel & end of hostilities in return for Israel withdrawal. This is what the eventual peace settlement will look like.

    Even if Hamas were to refuse making peace under those terms the other Arab nations would in effect force it to do so. Neither Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, nor Syria would permit Hamas to destroy a peace that they themselves agreed to & are invested in.

    I have never heard of the Arab initiative considering territorial adjustments

    Google “2002 Saudi peace initiative” & you’ll find it. There’s a Wikipedia article about it as well. The Wikipedia article doesn’t mention willingness to consider territorial adjustments but the Saudis have said as much in the years since the 2002 summit.

    There was an unprecedented wave of goodwill in year 2000

    Again, you’re looking at it with Israeli eyes but not Palestinian. There was no euphoria among Palestinians for Camp David. It failed you’ll recall. And one of the main reasons it failed was that Israel clung to unrealistic expectations about territory it could retain fr. the Territories. Palestinians were not happy that Israel wished to retain 10% of its territory & was not willing to recognize a Palestinian capital in E. Jerusalem. And then Sharon trampled upon the Temple Mount. Do you think Palestinians felt a wave of goodwill when he did that?

    They had flourishing towns then, they had self rule, they had a proposal for a fair land exchange

    To say such things shows that you have very little understanding of life in the Territories. You think Palestinian towns were flourishing? By whose standards? Certainly by the standards of today they were. But they are starving to death now. Is that the benchmark we wish to use to determine that the towns were once “flourishing?” “Self rule?” Really. Do you think a people that has little more control over its life than maintaining street lights & garbage collection (I exaggerate, but only slightly) has “self-rule?” Is they had self-rule, then what happened to the Gaza port and airport that were planned? Who prevented these developments? In 2000, Israel still controlled all the most significant levers of power over Palestinian life. It’s never stopped controlling them & does so to this day. As for “fair land exchange,” I’ve pointed out above why this is not so. It was by no means fair & State Dept. personnel like Aaron David Miller, who negotiated Camp David have said as much.

    What has changed since then in their mindset?

    I am dumbfounded by folks like you who obsess about the perfidy & hostile “mindset” of the Palestinians as if Israel has done nothing whatsoever to merit such hostility. There is far too much hatred on both sides for you to win any argument based on saying that the Palestinians are wholly at fault. It won’t wash. At least not here with me who knows better.

    they keep saying day and night they want our destruction?

    “They” (whoever that is) DO NOT say that day & night. You may find individual (prob. Hamas or Islamic Jihad) politicians who say things hostile to Israel. But every poll of Palestinian public opinion acknowledges that they as a people do not want the destruction of Israel. Why have you not read such polls? They’re easy to find (including here). Fatah does not want the destruction & you will find NO Fatah politicians saying the things you claim all Palestinians feel. A lot more clarity & accuracy is called for in yr characterizations of Palestinian attitudes toward Israel.

    This is why they bombed us in 1996 1995 at the hight of the peace process – to fail it – can’t you see that?

    You’re quoting me 10 year old history when even a year in the Middle East is a lifetime. Is Hamas bombing you now? Besides, you think that Israel has done anything whatsoever to give Palestinians the impression that you want peace? I’m sorry, but again, you will never get me to agree that Palestinians are at fault for all the lost opportunities. Fault goes both ways as far as that goes.

    I don’t want to go into detail about yr claims about Hamas. But they are absolutely wrong. You know nothing about Hamas. You have developed yr impressions of it prob. fr. reading the pgs. of Maariv or the Jerusalem Post. I’d strongly urge you to search this blog on the keyword “Hamas” where you will find many posts which provide first hand sources (many from Israeli media sources which you appear not to have read or to have ignored if you did) that contradict your ideas about Hamas.

    To be clear, I do not find Hamas a fine, upstanding organization. I wouldn’t vote for them in an election. But I’m not Palestinian. Those who are did vote for them in the last election. I believe in democracy. God forbid, if Avigdor Lieberman or Benyamin Netanyahu became PM, I would detest it–but I would have to concede it was an expression of Israeli democracy. Palestinians deserve the same consideration from me, from you, & from the world community.

    I would however hope to see more websites trying to promote the understanding of palestinians to Israel too, because otherwise they will never understand that Israel is not pure evil, that we are willing to negotiate in good will, and that we all have everything to gain from peace in our area.

    There is nothing wrong with your hopes. I share them. But let me turn the tables. Would you hope to see more Israeli websites promoting understanding of Palestinians? Do you know how many there are? There are some, but they are few. And they are dwarfed by sites which demonize Palestinians.

    I believe there need to be more efforts on both sides to “undemonize” each other. I have created directories of Israeli and Palestinian pro-peace websites which you should review. And please do not make the mistake of believing there are no or even few pro-peace Palestinian sites. Do not make the mistake of thinking there are fewer pro-peace Palestinian than Israeli sites. That would be a mistake. There is good will on both sides that is often overwhelmed by the hatred emanating fr. both sides.

    You sound like a person of basic good will. So I should apologize for anything I may’ve said to you that was overly harsh, intemperate or intolerant. I get that way when I hear people speaking from what I feel is ignorance rather than knowledge on complex subjects like this one. Sometimes we have good will but not all the facts. I hope you will try to learn more about Palestinians before you generalize about their attitudes toward Israel & Israelis.

  • sheik_jur_booty October 24, 2006, 7:48 AM

    Richard,
    Should the U.S. support Hamas and give them financial aid? If so, please explain ad nauseam.
    S-J-B

  • Richard Silverstein October 24, 2006, 11:55 AM

    ad nauseam

    You said it.

  • Jim Bob November 3, 2006, 12:19 AM

    Richard,

    When you accuse Israel of committing war crimes, particularly without specific examples, you debunk any and all arguments you make on other topics. The rest of your discussion is without credibility. You may as well shut up.

    Why? Because the war crimes are being committed by Israel’s enemies.

    Deliberately targetting civiliians.
    Using Lebanese citizens as human shields

    Not to mention their blatant provocation: Violating internationally-recognized borders and attacking a sovereign nation.

    Your omission of these and other facts leads me to dismiss your credibility out of hand. If you wish to be TAKEN SERIOUSLY, try to be more even handed with your judgments.

    Otherwise you come off as a Self-Hating Jew. Truly a pathetic lot.

  • Richard Silverstein November 3, 2006, 12:57 AM

    When you accuse Israel of committing war crimes, particularly without specific examples

    What’re you smokin’? My blog is full of posts throughout the Lebanon war that list Israeli attacks that easily fit into the rubric of war crimes. There are at least 6 or more in that category. You just haven’t done enough reading. So instead of telling me to “shut up” why don’t you just give your keyboard trigger finger a rest for a few seconds & go read through what I wrote. Then if you come back & tell me I still haven’t provided “specific examples” I’ll know you either can’t read or are a true partisan pro-Israel hack.

    war crimes are being committed by Israel’s enemies.

    UGH! I’ve already said this myself in this blog. Don’t you bother to read before you bestow such “revelations” upon us? Of course Hezbollah likely committed war crimes which deserve the same scrutiny as Israel’s actions.

    Though you are wrong in listing ‘using civilians as human shields’ as a strong war crimes charge. The only folks who accept that this happened are propagandists like you. I’ve heard nothing whatsoever from any credible source that substantiates this claim. And I don’t count Little Green Footballs, MEMRI or CAMERA as credible sources. But the rocketing of northern Israel is certainly a likely war crime.

    Not to mention their blatant provocation: Violating internationally-recognized borders and attacking a sovereign nation.

    Now that is rich! And you mean to tell me that Israel didn’t “violate internationally-recognized borders and attack a sovereign nation” too? So why don’t we agree. I’ll send Nasrallah to the Hague if you’ll agree to do the same for Olmert, Peretz & Halutz. Whadaya say? Deal?

    Your omission of these and other facts…

    And you’re an idiot for saying so. READ! I never “omitted” Hezbollah’s crimes. I never defended Hezbollah’s actions. I condemened them. Which is more than I can say for yr. take on Israeli moral obligations. It says loads about me that I criticize both sides & loads about you that you only criticize one side. And you accuse me of not being “even-handed!” You have a lot of friggin’ nerve! I guess I’m going to have to “dismiss your credibility out of hand” as well.

    As for the “self-hating Jew” crap. You’re only the 100th (or is it 1,000th) moron who’s written that here. Don’t you people ever work on getting any new material?

  • Curtis March 2, 2008, 11:34 PM

    Funny stuff, Here is some “new material”. We have a lot of people like Richard in America. We call them American haters. Always looking to blame America first. Happy to spend my tax dollars on Israel, just wish they would spend more of it on bus tickets for people like Richard to get to his favorite muslim country.

  • Richard Silverstein March 3, 2008, 12:05 AM

    You’re the one who’s funny. In case you didn’t realize it you can’t get by bus to any Muslim country I know of from the U.S. You call me an “America hater.” It’s you who’s the hater, not me. The only things I hate are lies, deceit & ignorance all of which you possess in spades.

    The idea that a moron like this would find a cancer-causing weapon “funny” is beyond repulsive.

  • Saeed November 10, 2008, 10:02 PM

    These weapons are Useless. Just to keep the weapon industries running.

    I believe, according to my religion, something will happen to finish everything in this world and that something is the Day of Judgment. The bigger weapons may act as a reason to to make4 that happen. Although God doesn’t need any reason to make that happen.

    Everyone is struggling in this world.

    Israel is struggling for its existence due to the strategies being adopted by Zionists for a long period. It is widely

    Muslims are struggling as per their belief that they have to struggle against every action which is meant to harm them. It is wrongly taken by other religions that

    If every country follow its borders and remain in its limits, and try to develop resources for itself or go to other country as a worker then everyone is safe.

    But when somebody start thinking as God, then decline starts. Other than God, every rise is followed by a fall.

    The countries which plan to snatch resources outside their limits, then the main problem arises. Remember the British rule all over the world. It was extended too much that it became difficult to handle. Same thing is happening with America.

    All big countries know about the stretegies undertaken by America to develop its economy. There is no country which can resist America’s strategy as America is a strong country. But it is getting involved in too many grounds that a day may come when it would be difficult for it to be a super power. And then other country will take its place and will make the similar strategies which America is following.

    Rule of World for Germany, France, Russia and Britain are history now. Currently America is leading. But due to the current stretegies, it will also join former group.

    Unlike others, Japan has become a nation with pride after the Yoroshima+Nagasaki bombing by America. Its military involvement in world affairs is zero. Therefore, this country does not carry any hate from any nation.

    Near future is reserved for European Union or China, which ever adopts the better stretegies. More chances are for China as it is not taking negative stretegies. Whereas negative strategies are taken against China for a long time to de-fame it or its products.

    For every action, there is a reaction. Muslims cannot be eliminated from world. It s a religion and not the country. Country needs land but religion is totally based on ones feeling and understanding.

    It is better to make positive stretegies to win love. These brutal weapons can never win hearts.

  • Vercingetorix.XIII January 8, 2009, 10:03 PM

    So much for the lame excused they’ve been making about wanting to kill hamas only, this is more than disturbing, this is beyond horrific. What hope does humanity have if we have now “evolved” into this? This is absolutely monstrous…

  • Vercingetorix.XIII January 8, 2009, 11:06 PM

    I read the comments and am extremely distressed that people are still trying to be loyal to their “religion” or “race” rather than speaking up for what is right… There are no excuses for this murder of innocents. Aren’t there any human beings on this earth left?

    Can’t anyone look beyond race religion or nationality and see the fact that Israel is murdering women and children in a barbaric manner and then exclaiming the blame should fall on the only people trying to protect those women and children.

    I am utterly astounded and repeat my above comment, what hope does humanity have?
    I would like to quote a few extracts from an interview with someone I admire greatly:

    “So my friend, you know the reasons we have, to be desparate and despairing. The world is not learning anything… If anyone had told us… that there are certain battles we will have to fight again, we would not have believed it. Racism, starvation of children, who would have believed that?

    I was convinced, naively, that at least something happened in history and certain things would not happen again. I was convinced that at least hatred among nations, and among people, perished… It didn’t.
    The victims died, but the haters are still here, new ones.
    And so often I say to myself, Elie, what are we doing on this planet?”

  • sabin January 11, 2009, 11:07 AM

    Ok, ok. We’ll stop using the DIMEs that only kill exactly who we want to kill within 4 yards. We’ll go back to using regular shells that kill everyone within 100 yards. Probably better in the long run anyway.

    • Richard Silverstein January 12, 2009, 10:04 PM

      DIME has killed and eviscerated numerous civilians. Why don’t you walk through a ward in a Gaza hospital, examine the injuries or talk to doctors who have treated DIME victims and then maybe you’d speak differently. But since you’re in favor of indiscriminate killing of Gazans it probably wouldn’t mean anything to you anyway.

  • Vercingetorix.XIII January 12, 2009, 10:09 PM

    I am Palestinian now too… I will never again view Israel in the same way I did before I found out about the palestinians, and funny thing is, I found out doing research on the holocaust…

  • Ann January 18, 2009, 2:24 PM

    We can either live as family or die as fools.

  • mlev January 19, 2009, 9:09 AM

    Thanks for all these posts. I came across the site since I was curious about the reports of tungsten particle weapons being used in Gaza. It is abundantly clear that Israel has committed major war crimes in Gaza (as it has done for years in Lebanon) so none of this surprises me and I agree whole-heartedly with the condemnation of Israeli actions from most posters.

    However I’d like to point out something I find a bit inaccurate or maybe naive. Many posters seem to be under the impression that a withdrawal of Israel to the 67 borders (i.e. an “end to the occupation”) would solve the conflict. Now I agree completely that such a withdrawal is extremely desirable and definitely a step in the right direction. However, please recall that the expulsion and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians started in 1948, not in 1967. The end of occupation would have to be a first step, certainly not the end of the conflict. Even if the occupation ended tomorrow, Palestinians would still have the internationally-recognized right to compensation, an investigation of crimes committed against them, prosecution of the guilty, and where possible a restoration of their property. The best route would probably be a truth and reconciliation commission on the S. African model. In the end no solution is conceivable without dismantling Israel as a Jewish state, which is implicitly a racist state with special rights for those of a certain genetic makeup.

    So I think one should be more realistic about what one is asking for.

  • Tim February 1, 2009, 10:05 AM

    How sad that Israel, who is the military machine would use the tungsten bombs. The tungsten bomb is an analogy to how much hate and prejudice(at least 50% of the people; a generational hate) is in the hearts of the Israeli people (you distort the meaning of Judaism and degrade it). On the other hand Muslim extremists distort and degrade Islam and are holding Palestinians hostage by not recognizing Israels right to exist (at least 50% of Palestinians have a generational hate for Jews) If I was a moderate Palestinian with extremists living around my house I would be terrified to voice my beliefs openly because my family would be threatened or killed.
    The light of religion has been extinguished,
    So both sides pray to your bombs and missiles,
    As icons of hope,
    And you can sign for peace in death
    With the red ink of your blood.