Which Religion Thinks It’s OK to Beat Up Rivals, But Not for Them to Resist? Hint: It Ain't Muslims
مع انتهاء صلاة الفجر في #الحرم_الشريف بدأ مئات المشاغبين الفلسطينيين القيام بأعمال شغب عنيفة في باحة الحرم شملت رشق الحجارة واطلاق المفرقعات على محيط حائط المبكى, مما أجبر الشرطة على التدخل I لتفريقهم.
حتى في آخر جمعة من شهر #رمضان, البلطجية يتعربدون في #الأقصى ولا يتقون الله. pic.twitter.comף/TFpPHK79VE
— Ofir Gendelman (@ofirgendelman) April 29, 2022
Israeli Jews and their apologists have their knickers 6 6758258138 6 6758258138 5knot about “unruly mobs” and Muslims “rioters” (see foreign ministry hasbara above) throwing rocks from Haram al Sharif onto Jewish worshippers at the Kotel below. How dare they insult the holiest site in Judaism (that’s the claim anyway, though I prefer sacred values over stone ruins). How dare they let a mob desecrate a holy Jewish site. These Jews have done nothing to incite such violence. They are simply innocent Jews praying in peace to their God.
Well, not quite. Imagine this: you belong to a synagogue next door to a church. Both houses of worship don’t get along well with each other. Both claim the same strip of land for a renovation and expansion of their respective sanctuaries. Both have tried mediation of their claims. But it hasn’t worked.
So the church ups the ante by sending its worshippers to pray on the disputed spot they claim as their own. When the Jews confront the Christian worshippers, violence ensues. So the church calls in the local riot police who whale on the Jews, beating them to a pulp. They throw stun grenades and tear gas into the Jewish sanctuary. They arrest most of the worshippers, bind and gag them and force them to lie prone on the floor. They don’t even spare the rabbi and the chazan. One worshipper even dies from a rubber bullet fired at point-blank range.
After that horrifying event, the Jews return enraged to the contested spot and pelt the Christians who are praying there. The Christians are outraged. How dare these Jewish thugs and rioters pelt us with stones when we are in the midst of our sacred prayer?
You catch my drift? In other words, the Israeli Jews are not the innocent party. They don’t score any points for being innocent victims of the unruly Muslim mob.
The Israeli state has decided to wrest control of the third-holiest site in Islam. It has sent thousands of Border Police to enforce the Israeli claim to the site. The Muslim worshippers are defending their shrine from desecration.
The Jews at the Kotel are citizens of the same State which is defiling Haram al Sharif. The Israeli Police share the same religion with those at the Kotel. So why are we surprised at Muslims who say: if we don’t get to pray at our shrine in peace, then you don’t get to pray at yours.
To me there is symmetry in this. But for Israelis, what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine. That’s the law of the jungle. What Pirkey Avot called “evil.” But in the rest of the world, on the other hand, if you attack someone they will defend themselves and fight back. Only in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resistance impermissible for Palestinians, who are labeled hooligans or brutal thugs, for having the temerity to defend their religion and its holy sites.
Israelis are not innocent. They don’t earn special status simply by praying at the Kotel. If Israeli Jews want to claim the Noble Sanctuary for themselves (as the massive police invasion affirms), then Muslims sure are going to put the Kotel into play as well.
Two can play this game. If Israel wants to play, it can’t complain when Muslims join in the game. They are not about to let Israelis win uncontested.
NOTE: Concerning my reference to “religion” in the headline. Israel and its mass violence, war crimes and terrorism do not represent my Judaism. But clearly, there are Israelis and their apologists who believe that their version of Judaism entitles them to own Muslim sacred space. That’s why I used that term in the headline.
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Richard’s baseless claims fall flat on their face.
This morning, clashes broke out in the al-Aqsa mosque after masked Hamas agitators chanting “We are the people of [Hamas leader] Muhamad Def”, and “bomb Tel Aviv”, advanced towards police in order to confront them but the Hamas agitators were blocked by hundreds of peaceful Palestinian prayer goers.
The two sides began to quarrel and a fight broke out, after which, the peaceful Muslims went about their prayers on the Temple Mount.
Yesterday, about 160 thousand Muslims gathered to pray at the Temple Mount for Friday prayers of Ramadan.
So, as I’ve been been telling you, this Ramadan, a small minority of Hamas activists were responsible for the violence and disorder on the Temple Mount.
The vast majority of Palestinians only wanted to pray peacefully on the Haram al-Sharif.
Oh, and BTW, an Israeli security guard manning a security booth in Ariel was shot dead by two armed terrorists. I guess the security guard had been defiling the holy land of Palestine or something.
‘Oh, and BTW, an Israeli security guard manning a security booth in Ariel was shot dead by two armed terrorists. I guess the security guard had been defiling the holy land of Palestine or something.’
He certainly wasn’t in Israel. I submit that if Russia sent a ‘security guard’ into the Ukraine, he might get shot as well.
@ Becky: Clashes have broken out at Al Aqsa for the past month because your Border Police thugs have beaten thousands of Muslim worshippers senseless. Day after day. Treated them like dirt. Walked around in stormtrooper outfits strutting like cocks of the walk. So don’t tell me Hamas controls anything that happens there. The Palestinian people control what happens there. The Muslim worshippers and defenders control what’s happening there. And those who defend the holy site with their bodies or rocks are what happens there.
And where does the pro-Israel crap come from that you’re quoting? From the Jerusalem Post. That pseudo-journalism site. A dog is “man’s best friend. J Post is Likud’s best friend. Which makes J Post Likud’s lapdog.
As for your comment: yeah, you changed a few words, but that’s where it’s from. Alternatively, it might have come from yet another of your Israeli hatemonger sites like Arutz Sheva or the like. And where did it say this report was from? “Hebrew sources.” So do we trust “Hebrew sources” to tell us what Muslims did at Haram al Sharif? Not on your life.
An Israeli security guard protecting an Israeli colonial settlement. Cry me a river. When was the last time you shed a tear for the 20 Palestinians killed for every Israeli security guard killed? Get the f* out of Palestine and no Israelis will be killed. Till you do, the blood will flow like a river…on both sides. As long as they do, it’s people like you who are the enablers, making you an accessory to the crimes of the Israeli state.
Tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Muslims were able to peacefully pray on the Temple Mount this Ramadan because ‘stormtroopers’ maintained order and arrested violent Hamas activists acting on the orders of their terrorist masters in Gaza and Iran.
Facts, Richard, are stubborn things that just won’t go away.
@Off Pitch: Millions of Muslims (that is, Palestinians) live under the boot heel of Israel. Every day they endure humiliation and torment. Over the past month, thousands of Border Police have ransacked Al Aqsa, arresting hundreds, injuring hundreds and killing one defender. And even yesterday, when 200,000 worshippers came to the mosque for the end of Ramadan, there was still violence. The only reason there wasn’t full scale violence was because the Border Police knew they were heavily outnumbered and they stayed in line. Which shows that when the Border Police want peace, they know what to do. When they want violence, they also know what to do.
So don’t go tooting Israel’s horn that there were hundreds of thousands of peaceful worshippers. There should never be violence there. The only reason there is is when the Border Police incite it.
You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the ass. What you know is hasbara talking Points.
I do not permit lies concerning Iran, Hamas. Your rancid opinion on these matters is not a fact. You are now banned.
I don’ think you’ll allow truths concerning Iran, Hamas either.
@ Stoney: Goodness gracious. Look what the cat dragged in. A right wing propagandist published by a Likud lapdog media site. The author of this drivel works for this organization:
And we should ascribe any credibility to this drivel for what reason?? I suppose you either didn’t bother to do any research on who & what you were promoting. Or if you did, you thought you’d be able to slip this nonsense by me?
[comment deleted: I am bored by complaints about my editorial judgment. You were warned that you were on the verge of being banned. Now you are.]
“..You were warned that you were on the verge of being banned..”
@Richard: Granted that some of my past comments made you grumble, but I do not recall any pre-warning that I was at the verge of being banned. Is it possible that you confuse me with someone else who had been pre-warned?
I deleted your last comment finding it personally offensive. In its place, I wrote this editorial response, which you may not have seen:
I’m willing to lift your ban on condition you don’t remotely get into comments in ad hominem territory, one category of which is questioning someone’s mental health. I know people make this sort of comment you did regularly. I understand that it’s just their way of emphasizing their disdain. But I find it personally offensive when targeting me.
You can let me know via the Contact form or here if you are amenable.
@Richard: Certainly I am amenable – זורם איתך
Only wanted to say that nothing I had written dealt with anyone’s mental health; ever. That was by all means just a misunderstanding on your part. Maybe it’s my fault due to the fact that for me, English is ESL?
One more question, please: do the comment rules allow sarcasm? As sometimes I can’t help it.
Please be aware that it’s almost impossible for me to read anything that is written on the blog either by you or me as of May 1st. Such messages popup for a second and then disappear, possibly due to the fact that I am considered now a pariah. So could you please grant me absolution ASAP?
@ eli: I can’t review what you wrote since I deleted it. Often we write things which we think may be confrontational or argumentative, but not breaching the bounds of civility. But I assure you wrote a phrase which suggested I “needed help” or some such statement. That is not permissible here. You may think this is sarcasm. But it crosses a red line with me.
Not sure what issue you’re speaking of regarding reading the blog. Are you talking about reading the post? Messages? Both? No one is blocked from reading the post, or shouldn’t be. If that’s happening let me know. The only thing I can think of in that event is that perhaps my web host has blocked your IP for security reasons. But that seems unlikely. If that’s what’s happening I think I can fix that. I have your IP address in your comment form and can tell them to white list you. But do let me know what’s the nature of the block.
“.. do let me know what’s the nature of the block..”
@Richard: the popup and then gone messages referred to only yours and mine new posts. As of now the problem is gone and all is good.
And, I have never, ever, used the term “need help”. I don’t use such a syntax and this is not my style.
@ Eli Gal: Actually, I think you wrote “get help.” I find that offensive and it does allude to mental infirmity.
Even Haaretz admits, @ 4:45, that the clashes have been small and organized by Hamas.
@ Hard Candy: No, “Hebrew sources” claim this. Not credible sources. And even this claim, suspect as it is, only concerns this particular event. Not all the acts of defense of the mosque over the past month.
@ Hard Candy: No, Nir Hasson and Anshel Pfeiffer claim this. Pfeffer is no expert on Palestinian politics nor the events at Al Aqsa. He has no Palestinian sources. He bases his claims on what he saw when he was a the mosque. He also claims that Hamas “appears” to be leading the protest. What does “appears” mean? Because there are green Hamas flags, it is leading the thousands of Muslim worshippers in defending the mosque? And what does that even mean? That the rest of the Palestinians are good little boys and girls. Only the violent thugs from Hamas are the ‘bad element?’ This is pure Israeli condescension. Pure ignorance masquerading as expertise. And typical of Pfeffer & Haaretz.
The Border Police riots have been ‘small?’ Like when they arrested 400 defenders, bound and gagged them, and forced them face down to the floor? And wounded 150 the same day? And when they mruderered one of them with a rubber bullet to the head? Those “small clashes?”
[comment deleted: I will not tolerate anti-Semitism here. This is a warning. Your next one will cause you to be banned.]
But you are reversing the causes in all these posts. There are rioters and violence (“desecrating” there own religious sites!), and then police are sent to stop them to allow all (including Muslims) to worship in peace.
@ Brian: NO, you are reversing the causes. First 35,000 Judean provocateurs enter the Haram al Sharif to pray for the rebuilding of the Temple. They bring armed BOrder Police to accompany them and intimidate the Muslims. Then the outraged Muslim worshippers feel under attack and defend their holy site. A totally legitimate response. Though of course the thugs and their apologists like you view the oppressed as the cause of violence, when clearly (to most of the world) it’s the other way round.
Tell me how you would feel if 35,000 Christians came to your synagogue every yr and prayed to build a church in its place? You’d want to defend it too and repel the invaders. Say, your resistance caused those Christians to summon police who shot tear gas into your sanctuary and arrested fellow members by the hundreds.
A notice to all commenters like you: I won’t entertain any further comments claiming that the Muslim mosque defenders are violent, provocative, commanded by Hamas, in the wrong, etc. and that Border POlice tactics are justified in their tactics. This argument is tedious and repetitive. At least 4-5 of you have made virtually the same claim and enough is enough. I hate having to repeat myself in responding to you.
But this is not what happened, jews have a right to pray at their first holiest site, and it’s the muslims at fault for reacting so negatively, you surely know this. So police are needed to protect these jewish worshippers. And all the religions pray for their own to triumph, not just the Jews but the Muslims as well. The idea is to tolerate each other’s presence, and it’s must be clear to you, that this is the Muslim’s lion share here, who are reacting with violence and hostility to the Jews, thus prompting police activity. So it seems my understanding of the cause and effects is the correct one.
I have visited the Temple Mount a year ago.
I was allowed in with no escort, walked around for about an hour and went down.
Just like many of the other 35,000 ppl who visited. That is – in a whole year.
@ Ari: Anyone is allowed to visit Haram al Sharif, Jews Muslim, Christians. If you did not wear a kippah, did not tout a siddur or Book of Pslams, and did not look like a settler, no one there would know what religion you were or care. But 35,000 SETTLERS visited Haram al Sharif under police escort. You would not be counted among the 35,000 since you did not go as a settler, but as an anonymous visitor.
[comment deleted: I wrote this in reply to a comment posted by another person that he was the 5th or 6th making the same claim:
You are now the 7th. You’re beating a dead horse. I said I would entertain no further comments on the subject. Read the comnent threads next time before writing your comment.]