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  1. Gabriel Nadaf has not (yet?) been charge.d There were media publications (led by Channel-2 I believe) and the police spokeperson said the police will look into these allegations, however an official inquiry by the police has not begun. An official complaint was lodged this morning by a citizen.

    (I will admit that it is quite likely an investigation will be opened officially, as for a criminal charge….. these things take a long time).

    Regarding driving a wedge between Christians (who were once much more numerous) and Muslims in the area….. The Muslims have been doing quite a “great job” of this in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and in Judea & Sumeria. Previously Christian-majority enclaves in many places, including Judea & Sumeria (e.g. Bethlehem (a very important Christian site) and Ramallah (founded by Christians actually), have seen a marked Christian decline (due to death, fleeing, and conversion).

    1. Please spare us your BS about the reasons for the decline of Christians in Palestine (by the way many from Bethlehem and Beit Jala move to Jordan). The primary reason according to all polls and studies on the topic is the OCCUPATION ! particularly the Apartheid Wall has been very destructive to many Christian villages in the Jerusalem-Betlehem area, not to speak about the city of Bethlehem itself. Lastest on the topic: the Wall in the Cremisan Valley.
      I won’t permit any Hasbara-parrot to use the suffering of the Christian Palestinians who are very close to my heart. And why don’t you read about Iqrith and Kafr Birim within Israel proper, and give us a resumé of their destiny under Zionist rule. Don’t forget to mention the village being destroyed on Chrismas Day in front of the inhabitants !
      Elias Khoury (not the Lebanese writer), a Palestinian refugee in Lebanon created the website “Christian Palestinians”, there are many articles every day, mostly in Arabic but also in English. I recommend it to everyone who’s interested in the topic. (Recently he posted a old photo of the mansion belonging to the Christian Bisharat-family in Talbiyeh that Golda-it-was-not-as-though-there-was-a-Palestinian-people-in-Palestine-considering-itself-as-a-Palestinian-people-and-we-came-and-threw-them-out-and- took-their-country-away-from-them-they-did-no-exist-Meir squatted after the Nakba).
      And to the hypocrites who pretend to care about the Christians in the Middle East but never cared about the Christian Palestinians who’ve been suffering since 1948 (or the thousand of Armenians who were also expelled in 1948 and lost much property all over Palestine) Elias Khoury wrote this letter: https://suhmatiya.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/palestinian-christians-have-a-message-to-the-christians-of-the-world/

  2. @Richard

    “.. and the internal corruption that lies at the heart of Israel’s dysfunction.”

    How come when Barbar said that ‘Arab civilization is rotten at it’s core’, you banned him, but you can say the same thing about Israel?

    A trifle hypocritical, no?

    1. @ Bernie X: First, read the comment rules. I don’t explain or justify my editorial decisions. So this will be the last time I’ll do it for you.

      I said Israeli society was corrupt & published hundreds of blog posts referring to specific incidents of corruption.

      I did not say that Jewish civilization was corrupt, as Barbar said about the Arabs. Nor did he offer credible evidence to support his vacuous claims. But even if he had, it would’ve been off topic since the purpose of this blog is not to analyze Arab civilization.

      You can find many other online places where you may malign Arabs to yr heart’s content. Just not here.

  3. “He’s married and have two children”
    Both boys and both serving in the Israeli army. Gabriel Nadaf is a traitor to his own people, not only does he support the “Christians aren’t Arabs’, but he’s also rewriting history to please his masters. I read some of his BS on his blog or somewhere else a while ago, coming directly from Hasbara Central (Khaled Abu Toamed is a moderate compared to Nadaf). I can’t believe he genuinely believes what he’s written, and one of the young Christians that he has coopted for his ‘Christians to the army’-mission is from one of the Christian villages destroyed during the Nakba.
    Good riddance !

  4. Nadaf’s possible sexual exploits aside, what is so wrong with encouraging Israeli Arabs to serve? And they certainly don’t have to serve in combat roles unless they want to. They can also do sherut leumi if they want to and not put on a uniform. It’s not like anybody is forcing them, he is simply breaking the taboo and allowing people to talk about it, when the consensus is to suppress such discussion .

    Serving in the army or national service is a gateway into Israeli society, as you know many social and other connections take place for those who serve, and this seems to me a positive way of reducing discrimination and increasing integration among Israeli Arabs, It bring benefits to both the individual and society. Why would you be so opposed to such a worthy goal, of mutual cooperation, instead calling it “exploiting the enemy” ? Why would you, as an American Jew in favor of peace between Arabs and Jews, take the side of rejectionists? Why do you need to be more Palestinian than the Palestinians themselves? It seems that you think it’s more important for the Palestinians to hold out for perfect “justice” and pay a price, rather than doing the smart thing for them now.

    Reducting discrimination and racism in a society is a gradual process. Part of this comes with changes in official policy, as well as more subtle changes in people’s attitudes. It doesn’t come in one fell swoop.

    1. I understand Elisabeth: there’s really no reason to even try discussing with you.
      Your BS to Richard reminds me of a recent topic on Social TV (via 972 mag) settlers living on stolen land telling the journalist that their relations with the Palestinians were good and friendly until Israeli Leftists put bad ideas into their heads, ah those Palestinian children …..

      1. @Deir Yassin:

        Let’s be honest. Nobody who comments on this blog comes to their opinion tabula rasa and out of pure reason. We are all bringing our biases, basic world view, experiences and emotions into the equation. So let’s not pretend that I alone am the one with whom there is “no reason to even try discussing”.
        That is why I argue for practical solutions and compromises, not for some real or imagined pure justice, which could never be agreed upon. Neither side will convince the other side of its “rightness”. Therefore what is left is compromise and accommodation, and settling for something that neither side is really satisfied with.
        That is why I asked the question to Richard in my comment.

        Elizabeth claims that if people only knew the facts and truth, they would be convinced. But when has this ever happened in any political conflict? Enough of the basic facts of the conflict are already well known, and it’s naive to think that bringing to light some new detail or nuance about the occupation or founding of Israel is going to make any significant difference.

        Why has it not happened that one religion prove itself over the to be the one “true” religion? Besides that fact that they are all man made myths, its not a question about reason. Its about culture, society, political beliefs. family/tribal loyalty and emotions.

        1. Wow. You float from historical facts that can (and should! even though you don’t like it) be examined and checked to the realm of religion, where ‘proof’ is an absolutely usesless concept.
          This is why exchanging opinions with you is a hopeless endeavour. You are as slippery as an eel in an bucket of snot (excuse the Dutch saying).

    2. @ Yehuda:

      what is so wrong with encouraging Israeli Arabs to serve?

      In a fully democratic state in which they have equal rights with Jews and political power commensurate with their population? Nothing is wrong with serving in the army of such a nation. And when Israel becomes that nation, Palestinians will undoubtedly flock to serve. Till that time? Nah.

      Nadaf is a corrupt, sleazy priest probably paid off to do Israel’s bidding. What’s wrong with such a person advancing such an agenda? Nothing, if you want to tarnish your project with his sleaziness.

      Israeli Palestinians will never have a “gateway to Israeli society,” whether they serve or not. In fact, the IDF doesn’t really want them to serve. An Israeli Palestinian woman, if I recall the story correctly, tried to join the air force and was accepted till they found out she was “one of them.” Then she was summarily rejected. So the problem is that the IDF officially rejects Palestinians serving in certain elite units. That exposes the fraud of this entire enterprise.

      So you like empty slogans like “mutual cooperation?” What narischkeit!

      rejectionists

      Palestinians? Rejectionists? No, it’s the IDF and Israeli society who are the rejectionists. You reject Palestinians every moment of every day. You reject them in every facet of society. Then you complain why they don’t enlist. What hypocrisy!

      you think it’s more important for the Palestinians to hold out for perfect “justice”

      Don’t put words in my mouth as you have here. THere is no such thing as perfect justice. Nor will any future settlement be perfect or fully just. But the real question in how much are you willing to give up? So far, the Palestinians are expected (by the U.S. & Israel) to give up virtually everything & the Israelis virtually nothing. That ain’t gonna work.

      doing the smart thing

      As yes, don’t you just love the hasbarafia telling those poor benighted Palestinians what is the “smart thing” to do. Ah, I don’t think Palestinians have asked for your advice on this, nor do they need it. YOu might consider telling your own fellow citizens what’s the “smart thing” for them to do, as long as it involves something other than your offensive, banal defense of continued Occupation.

      Reducting discrimination and racism in a society is a gradual process.

      Not really. In societies which really want to end racism, it happens quickly. In societies which refuse to renounce racism like Israel, it never comes.

  5. @Richard:
    “Ah, I don’t think Palestinians have asked for your advice on this, nor do they need it. ”
    Nor have the Israelis asked yours. But we’re having a discussion here about what type of actions to support or oppose.

    “In a fully democratic state in which they have equal rights with Jews and political power commensurate with their population?”

    You’re taking it out of context and making the narrative sound like Arab citizens have been living in a Jewish state and have been arbitrarily discriminated against for racial or religious reasons. You know this is false. The discrimination continues because it is the residual from inter-ethnic conflict with a lot of remaining mutual distrust and grievance. Its not like the Ethipians or Mizrahim. Therefore, mutual trust needs to be built up.

    @Elizabeth : “You float from historical facts that can (and should! even though you don’t like it) be examined and checked to the realm of religion, where ‘proof’ is an absolutely usesless concept.”
    No, I floated from politics to religion, and they are very similar. And they both make historical claims to “prove” their truth. Elizabeth, pure “history” has no values. It is amoral, a collection of facts. It is people who judge them,
    Think about the endless debates between conservative and liberals.

    This is the 3rd post for the day so I’ll stop here.

    1. @ Yehuda:

      You’re taking it out of context and making the narrative sound like Arab citizens have been living in a Jewish state and have been arbitrarily discriminated against for racial or religious reasons. You know this is false.

      Are “Arabs” [sic] living in a “Jewish state” or democratic state? You can’t have it both ways. If they’re living in a Jewish state then of course they’ve been discriminated against for ethnic and religious reasons since 1948 precisely because they are not Jewish and the the state was created for Jews, not for them.

      As for blaming Israeli Palestinians for being victims of racism because they allegedly are somehow at fault due to Jewish mistrust of them is blaming the victim and offensive (you seem terrific at being offensive when it comes to Palestinians–why is that?). Israeli Palestinians have been loyal citizens of the State and there is aboslutely no reason for Israeli Jews to mistrust them & treat them like 10th class citizens as they do.

  6. @Richard:
    I am NOT blaming Palestinians/Israeli Arabs for racism or discrimination, you are distorting my statement. All I said is that you can’t take it out of the context of an ethnic national conflict. So for you, is Jewish fear/suspicion of an Arab is racism, but Arab suspicion/hatred of Israeli Jews is not racism but something else, justified in your mind? Also, it so happens that the Israeli Arabs elect, among others, MKs who while exercising their free speech do not exactly act like “loyal” citizens of the state…ala Hazmi Bashara and Hanin Zoabi…

    If we are honest, we can’t really say that Zionism is 100% compatible with progressive liberal democracy. You apparently have in mind some theoretical form of Zionism that doesn’t exist or no longer exists. Just as there are Islamic republics, so there is a Jewish republic. This is the essence of what Zionism means now. . It does not mean a bi-national state, would would result in either a civil war or government paralysis. There is nothing wrong with western support of such a project, even if it is not 100% democratic by progressive liberal standards.

    Supporting or encouraging participation of Israeli non-Jews, of any ethnic background, in service of the country is a positive thing. It promotes coexistence. This is a value judgement, just as your opposition to it is. And I think that the participants themselves should have their voices heard, too, for whom it is a positive experience.

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