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  1. ‘The guy who tears a suspect’s nails out’

    Really? I challenge you to bring evidence of any Palestinian tortured this way. Pure wanton lie to make a point and is a slander.

    You know that the methods are different and include mostly causing discomfort and/or psychological methods

    1. @ Shmuel: No, you’re probably right. Shabak knows that disfiguring prisoners physically leaves physical scars which judges would see. They’re quite expert at use of torture that only leaves psychological, not physical marks. Yr claim that torture is mere “discomfort” is sheer disingenuousness. Let’s examine some of Major Netzer’s past “work product:”

      To give you some idea of the credibility behind such platitudes, our man is the same “Major Netzer” celebrated for his prowess in torturing Palestinian security detainees. In this testimony from one such individual, he says that the Major and his colleagues interrogated him for 46 of the first 51 hours he was under detention. These included three prolonged periods of questioning of 12, 16, and 18 hours. Let’s pick it up where the prisoner really gets down in it:

      This was real torture. The most difficult experience imaginable using various extreme methods of abuse. The first method involved tying my hands from behind and tying my legs from behind under the chair. In this position they struck me in the chest. After a quarter hour in this position, four of them [interrogators] would take turns thrusting me back and forth among them

      The only thing Netzer feels sorry for is the chair, which likely broke amidst such thrusting back & forth.

      UPDATE: I should’ve waited before writing the above since it appears that Shabak doesn’t exactly tear a suspect’s nails out, but if they’re young enough & impressionable enough it merely threatens to do it to scare the shit out of the poor victims. In this case, the threat of doing it is almost as disgusting & heinous as doing it. I expect an acknowledgement from you, as an officer of the court, that you too object to this tactic:

      Masalha in a news release on Saturday quoted the 16-year-old prisoner Mohammed Abu Riala, from the town of Issawiya in occupied Jerusalem and who has been detained since 13 February 2014 in Hasharon prison, as saying that he has been tortured in Mascobiya interrogation center.

      Abu Riala said that during the interrogation he was been handcuffed and blindfolded, while the Israeli investigators continued to hit him in the head and abdomen and threatened to tear out his nails and to cut his tongue with a pincer.

      Next time, you might want to do 30 seconds of Google research before falsely accusing me of slander. And I remind you this is the first result I found after 10 seconds of searching. Imagine what might be found with a more thorough search. And hey, let’s not forget the time Amos Horev actually castrated a Palestinian suspect or Doron Zahavi raped another Lebanese suspect. Would you classify that as more or less heinous than tearing someone’s nails out? Horev was lauded in song and promoted to be an IDF general in his storied career. Yes, among the great heroes of Israeli Zionism: Amos the Castrator!!

      1. Shmuel: “You know that the methods are different and include mostly causing discomfort and/or psychological methods”

        Just “discomfort” eh- just “psychological methods” eh – tell your cat about that.

        In a former thread I quoted Ari Shavit who seemed to have discovered qualities in Netanyahu that had remained hidden to most other commentators. His recent book “My Promised Land” has been judged, inter alia, “a conservative manifest that fits well into the current wave of Zionist romanticism that Israel is experiencing.” (Noam Sheizav)
        But here is an earlier Shavit (New York Review of Books, July 18, 1991), one who hadn’t played footsie yet with the Ashkenaze political elite, reporting on his experiences as a reservist in the Israeli prison camp “Gaza Beach”- a camp that was horrific enough (but according to Shavit the other prison camps for Palestinians were even worse). Shavit says that this enterprise with watch towers bore an uncomfortable similarity to concentration camps, a comparison which he had always resisted and which he deemed to be incorrect – but, he says, which suggested itself because unfortunately there wasn’t enough” lack of similarity”. He then goes on to say:

        “Maybe the Shin Bet is to blame for this; for the arrests it makes and for what it does to those arrested. For almost every night, after it has managed, in its interrogations, to “break” a certain number of young men, the Shin Bet delivers to the paratroopers in the city or to the border guard professionals a list with the names of the friends of the young men. And so I would see their cars go out almost every night to the city, which is under curfew, to arrest the people who are said to endanger the security of the state.

        And I would see the soldiers come back with children of fifteen or sixteen. The children grit their teeth. Their eyes bulge from their sockets. In not a few cases they have already been beaten. Even S., who owns a plant in the occupied territories, can’t believe his eyes. Have we come to this? he asks. That the Shin Bet goes after kids like these? And soldiers crowd together in the “reception room” to look at them when they undress. To look at them in their underwear, to look at them as they tremble with fear. And sometimes they kick them; one kick more, before they put on their new prison clothes. Sometimes they just curse.
        Or maybe the doctor is to blame. You wake him in the middle of the night to treat one of those just brought; a young man, barefoot, wounded, who looks as if he’s having an epileptic fit, who tells you that they beat him just now on the back and stomach and over the heart. There are ugly red marks all over his body. The doctor turns to the young man and shouts at him. In a loud, raging voice he says: May you die! And then he turns to me with a laugh: May they all die!
        Or maybe the screams are to blame. At the end of the watch, on your way from the tent to the shower, you sometimes hear horrible screams. You walk in your shorts and clogs, a towel slung over your shoulder, toilet kit in hand, and from the other side of the galvanized tin fence of the interrogation section come hair-raising human screams. Literally hair-raising.
        From the various human rights organizations you know that they have no “closets” for torture here in the Gaza facility. (Other detention centers have them in abundance.) So you ask yourself what is happening here five yards from you. Are they using the “banana tie”? Or just plain beating?[*]
        You don’t know. But you know that from this moment on you won’t be able to rest. Because no more than fifty yards from the bed where you try to sleep, eighty yards from the mess hall where you try to eat, people scream. And they scream because other people, wearing uniforms like your own, do things to them that cause them to scream.”

        You know things “causing discomfort”, mainly “ psychological methods”- and that in a camp that, according to Shavit, didn’t even have “closets” for torture whereas other centers had “them in abundance”. One wonders what effect the “psychological methods” had there.

  2. Richard, I haven’t got hold of Shavits’ book (My Promised Land) yet but I understand that the earlier NRB-piece I quoted from has been included in it. This suggests the question that, if he regarded the nakba as lamentable but necessary, he now also sees these prison camps in this light.

  3. Without the involvement of the international community Israel would remain captive by a “security” elite which sees little merit in abiding by international law and protecting human rights. The identity of the next GSS head is merely a symptom of the dire state of Israel today.

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