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      1. Nimrod
        You are correct about my mix up.

        25 years ago I had a situation in Israel.
        Stopped outside of Orient House for a minute when my Palestinian partner said hello to someone..
        The border patrol guy sitting under a tree wrote down my Israeli license plate number. I was living in Israel as a tourist at the time.. Within 24 hours I was under Shabak surveillance….. Was having problems with my partner and their was some unpleastness.. …… An Israeli friend referred me to a friend of his a lawyer who had served in the Shabak……he said if I thought I was under surveillance it was easier to intercept my cellphone and I should use my land lines…… Turned out everything was under surveillance cell,phones,fax….. My Shabak problem was cleared up over nite the buissness issue we’ll I just lost money there. ( I established my bona fides when I asked do you know Mr. X. , mr x was the Arabic Field agent name of my girlfriends Orthodox Jewish brother who I knew.)

        I have assumed since then that ultimately anything I say,fax and now on the Internet is recorded somewhere.

        1. That sounds like an unpleasant experience.

          On the other hand you had a cellphone as a tourist in Israel in the 80’s. If I saw anyone using one back then, I’d think he’s a spy also.

  1. Israel excels in technologies aimed at avoiding detection and avoiding accountability because this is precisely what it has undertaken all along, to avoid being “found out” and having to take responsibility for its crimes. Zionism may well succeed in creating its monstrous state out of such material, by such unacceptable means, but the Jewish people will likely not want that state in the end. The Bolsheviks did as much, just as earnestly, for the Russian people but were finally completely undone, weren’t they? And Americans may yet, maybe now, reject the security state. If PRISM doesn’t do it, however, nothing will.

  2. Excellent links to articles in Wired who have written for many years about the development in domestic spying. Personally I have written about development during the Jeb/George Bush-Cheney years and the companies involved in 2000 Florida election voter purge and MATRIX datamining. The intrusion into privacy of citizens worldwide has been staggering. The Egyptian state used Narus software to spy on protesters. The government of Egypt’s attempted crackdown on mass protests has been aided by an American firm that sells telecommunications software that allows the authoritarian regime to spy on citizens’ emails and cell phone communications.

  3. And of course a lot has been written about the Israeli ventures in Verint and Comverse. In The Netherlands an Israeli company does the official wiretapping for the Justice Department. The scale of the wiretaps are unrivaled: Dutch Are Champions with 26,435 Phone Taps per year.

    “The law in the Netherlands says that intercepted phone calls between attorneys and their clients must be destroyed. But the Dutch government has been keeping under wraps for years that no one has the foggiest clue how to delete them (Google translation). Now, an email (PDF) from the National Police Services Agency (KLPD) has surfaced, revealing that the working of the technology in question is a NetApp trade secret. The Dutch police are now trying to get their Israeli supplier Verint to tell them how to delete tapped calls and comply with the law. Meanwhile, attorneys in the Netherlands remain afraid to use their phones.”

  4. RE: “A little known footnote to the brewing PRISM scandal, in which the NSA has for years harvested Americans’ personal data via eight of the largest social media and technology companies in the world, involves special technology developed by two Israeli companies founded by veterans of the IDF’s cyber-warfare Unit 8200 . . .” ~ R.S.

    MY COMMENT: The migration of these types of “Big Brother” eavesdropping\spying technologies from Israel to the U.S. is yet another reason I fear that Revisionist Zionism and Likudnik Israel (specifically by virtue of their inordinate sway over the U.S.) might very well be an “existential threat” to the values of The Enlightenment [like “the right of free speech” and the “freedom of association”] ! ! !
    “Down, down, down we [the U.S.] go into the deep, dark abyss; hand in hand with Israel.”

    “How We Became Israel”, By Andrew J. Bacevich, The American Conservative, 9/10/12
    LINK – http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-we-became-israel/
    “America Adopts the Israel Paradigm”, by Philip Ghiraldi, Antiwar.com, 7/05/12
    LINK – http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2012/07/04/america-adopts-the-israel-paradigm/
    “Report: Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police”, By Muriel Kane, Raw Story, 12/04/11
    LINK – http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/04/report-israeli-model-underlies-militarization-of-u-s-police/
    From Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American Domestic Security, By Max Blumenthal, Al-akhbar, 12/02/11
    LINK – http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/2178 OR http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29892.htm
    “Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA”, By Michael Kelley, Business Insider, 6/07/13
    LINK – http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6
    “IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology”, By Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 6/07/13
    LINK – http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz2VZ4JuSQE
    “What was the Israeli Involvement in Collecting U.S. Communications Intel for NSA? ~ By Haaretz, The Associated Press and Reuters, informationclearinghouse.info, 6/08/13
    LINK – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35215.htm
    “The Second Battle of Gaza: Israel’s Undermining Of International Law”, by Jeff Halper, mrzine.monthlyreview.org, 02/26/10
    LINK – http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/halper260210.html
    “The Trial of Israel’s Campus Critics”, by David Theo Goldberg & Saree Makdisi, Tikkun Magazine, September/October 2009
    LINK – http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/sept_oct_09_goldberg_makdisi
    “Brooklyn College’s academic freedom increasingly threatened over Israel event”, by Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 2/02/13
    LINK – http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/02/brooklyn-college-bds-alan-dershowitz
    “Peter ‘Powder Keg’ Beinart is disinvited from gig at Atlanta Jewish book festival”, by Annie Robbins, Mondoweiss, 11/05/12
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/peter-powder-keg-beinart-is-disinvited-from-gig-at-atlanta-jewish-book-festival.html
    ‘Israelis are helping write US laws, fund US campaigns, craft US war policy’, by Philip Weiss, Mondoweiss, 6/30/12
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/israelis-are-helping-write-us-laws-fund-us-campaigns-craft-us-war-policy.html
    “David Yerushalmi, Islam-Hating White Supremacist Inspires Anti-Sharia Bills Sweeping Tea Party Nation”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 3/02/11
    LINK – https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2011/03/02/david-yerushalmi-islam-hating-white-supremacist/
    “Boston airport security program rife with racial profiling has Israeli links”, by Alex Kane, Mondoweiss, 8/14/12
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/boston-airport-security-program-rife-with-racial-profiling-has-israeli-links.html
    “Obama’s kill list policy compels US support for Israeli attacks on Gaza”, By Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 11/15/12
    LINK – http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/15/israel-gaza-obama-assassinations

    ● P.P.S. AND HERE’S ANOTHER THREAT TO THE VALUES OF “THE ENLIGHTENMENT” BY ISRAEL’S “CHRISTIAN” ALLIES: “US Religious Right Propelling Homophobia in African Countries”, by Common Dreams, 7/24/12
    LINK – http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/07/24-7

  5. The involvement of Israeli Tech companies in the NSA/Edward Snowden stories that are breaking?

    This in my opinion is a HUGE story and even bigger than the AIPAC/Rosen-Weissman spying scandal. Haaretz has been running DAILY ARTICLES regarding the ‘Israeli backdoor’ and red-handed involvement in spying on the US – citing James Bamford’s ‘Wired’ expose and others

    Today’s Haaretz has a choice article summing up Israeli concerns in this area – essentially about Israeli firms being outed and for Americans to realize that Israeli has been spying on them

    There’s an GOLDMINE article in today’s Haaretz that lays it all out:
    ‘In U.S. snooping affair, Israeli firms at risk’

    or cached copy:–

    Here’s yesterday’s Haaretz on the NSA Spying Story and a couple of other links referred to in this Haaretz Article:

    Haaretz article:

    ‘What was the Israeli involvement in collecting U.S. communications intel for NSA?’


    Here are the other Links:

    ‘Shady Companies With Ties to Israel Wiretap the U.S. for the NSA’


    ‘DID YOU KNOW?: Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA’


  6. lots of anti Israel stuff here. Back up for a moment. Suddenly it is Israel that is to blame for spying on Americans because they do that all the time at home?
    fact: if you google declassified NSA documents, housed at George Washington Univ, yo will see that NSA asked incoming presidient Bush to consider massive electonic tapping in light of the new world of electronisc and also noted how the 4th amendment sort of was outdated.

    that request was prior to 9/11 and prior to the Patriot Act

    The US has, then, seemingly called on its good ally for help in doing what the US wants to do. Perhaps outside nations ought not be used.But then perhaps contractors for intel ought also not be used…these are all important issues.
    Israel is, perhaps, more involved in spying upon its own citizens that is the US–though we seem to have caught up…but then (something that always is not noted at this place) Israel is surrounded by a zillion hate filled neighbors who would destroy them in an instant if they could.
    just noted the aboive linksP: shady companies! secretive companies! of course. they are dealing in intelligence work What do hyou think they should do? Put up billboards to announce what they do to the general public?

  7. @Freddie: You don’t appear to understand the basic issue here, that privacy is protected by the constitution and no law can supersede the founding doc. Israel is complicit by virtue of its “expertise” however that experience has been garnered (and rationalized.) (BTW — if Israel is surrounded by hate, it is largely its own doing, so the dynamic was initiated by Israel.) Sure, a democracy pays a price for openness and for protected privacy, no question about it. But Americans were not asked if they were willing to forgo their phone and internet privacy to attempt to stop a handful of attacks. Rather the decision was made for them by government people who have careers and compensation tied to their findings and recommendations. (The operative word is “attempt.”)

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