6 thoughts on “David Brooks Attacks Spielberg’s ‘Munich’ – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. I also found Brooks’ column appallingly full of “fables” (something he accuses Spielberg of spinning).
    Hamas and Islamic Jihad would have little popular support and therefore not much strength if ongoing policies of “destructive” violence against Palestinians had not been carried out.

    “Destructive” violence against Afghanistan by Russia gave rise to mujahadeen (who were aided by the US). Some Mujahadeen morphed into Al Qaida fanatics while their friends the Taliban took control of Afghanistan.

    Bin Laden was very specific about his gripe with the US. He wanted US military bases out of what he viewed as the Islamic holy land of Saudi Arabia, and he wanted the US to stop supporting Israeli aggression at the expense of Palestinians.

    The 9:11 attack did not occur because Al Qaida “hates American freedoms” as the Bush admin’s spin meisters and too much of the media tried to claim.

    Brooks does not ackowledge that aggressive and violent policies give strength to the fanatics he says need to be clobbered. Clobbering is what helps create fanatics and gives them strength.

    I’d say Kushner/Spielberg have it right.

  2. it is laughable that Brooks’ prescription is for Israel to vanquish the Palestinians AND THEN find a “compromise between the reasonable elements on each side.” Isn’t that a convenient method of making peace? First, you slaughter your enemy and beat him into submission and then he crawls to the negotiating table begging for a “reasonable compromise.”

    Brooks never suggests that Israel should “vanquish the Palestinians”. He says that Hamas and other terrorist groups need to be defeated. They’ve made it clear time and time again that they aren’t interested in peace. Their stated agenda is to destroy the Jewish State. Israel can only make peace with Palestinian moderates once terrorism is off the table. Similarly, I wouldn’t expect Palestinians to make peace with Meir Kahane or Baruch Goldstein.

  3. Look, neither one of us likes Hamas or Islamic Jihad. They’re bad dudes. But you ain’t gonna defeat them. Can you stop a terror attack here or kill a leader there? Sure. But for every leader you decapitate ten new heads sprout in its place. It’s much the same regarding our doomed efforts to “pacify” Iraq. Go ahead, try to “defeat” Al-Zarqawi or Al Qaeda. Suppose you kill Al-Zarqawi or bin Laden. What does that gain? There are dozens of others waiting in line to take their place.

    You’ve got to change the political, economic and social conditions which allow these bastards to flourish. That’s why Sharon should be sitting at a negotiating table right now with Abbas. That’s why Hamas should participate freely in the upcoming Palestinian elections without interference from the IDF. That’s why Israel should allow access through Palestinian border crossings like Rafah.

    You simply can’t kill Islamic Jihad or Hamas via military force. If you don’t give up on this as your only solution to the conflict you could find yourself liquidating militants for the next 1,000 years and nothing essentially will change (well, certainly not for the better).

    Your Goldstein/Kahane analogy is hollow. Hamas represents 30% of the Palestinian voters. Goldstein/Kahane never represented more than a few percentage points at most of the Israeli electorate. God forbid that Kahanists sat in the Knesset and had 30 or 40 Knesset seats, then I’m sorry to say but the Palestinians would have to make peace with them (not that Kahanists would ever make peace with Arabs). Luckily, that ain’t gonna happen.

    And your characterization of the “agenda” of the Palestinian militants is also inadequate. Different groups have diff. agendas. Even elements within specific groups differ with other factions within the same group. Do all members of Likud, Labor or Kadima have the same party position regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Of course not.

    I’d suggest you do a keyword search for “Hamas” within this blog & you’ll find posts that indicate a quite varied and interesting amount of flexibility within Hamas regarding Israel and its existence. Is Hamas ready for peace with Israel right now? Would I want Israel to embrace Hamas (fat chance that’d ever happen) as a legitimate negotiating partner right now. That’s doubtful. But could Hamas at some point in the not too distant future modify its views and be willing to negotiate peace as part of a Palestinian team? I’m betting on it.

  4. Hamas represents 30% of the Palestinian voters. Goldstein/Kahane never represented more than a few percentage points at most of the Israeli electorate. God forbid that Kahanists sat in the Knesset and had 30 or 40 Knesset seats.

    But the fact is if Kahanists made up 30% of Israeli voters, how could you expect Palestinian leadership to negotiate for peace? But Hamas and Islamic Jihad do in fact have tremendous political power. You said it yourself: “not that Kahanists would ever make peace with Arabs.” Why do you expect any more from jihadist in this case?

  5. Hamas represents 30% of the Palestinian voters. Goldstein/Kahane never represented more than a few percentage points at most of the Israeli electorate. God forbid that Kahanists sat in the Knesset and had 30 or 40 Knesset seats.

    But the fact is if Kahanists made up 30% of Israeli voters, how could you expect Palestinian leadership to negotiate for peace? But Hamas and Islamic Jihad do in fact have tremendous political power. You said it yourself: “not that Kahanists would ever make peace with Arabs.” Why do you expect any more from jihadist in this case?

  6. I guess I couldn’t legitimately expect that the Palestinians would negotiate with Kahanists. But a funny thing happens when you go from being a small group of dangerous militant zealots (as Kahane always was & Hamas was until recently) to having a major stake in your society’s political process. Formerly hard line views & actions give way to more pragmatism & moderation. Just look at Sharon’s championing of the setlements in previous governments. Now that he’s the PM and the nation’s fate is his sole responsibility, he’s taken to moderating his views. That’s a good thing. And if it can happen w. him it can happen w. Hamas. Am I saying that the Hamas lion will ever lie down with the Israeli lamb (forgive the imprecise analogy) in blissful peace? No.

    But do I believe that Hamas will at some pt. in the near future moderate its views enough to join the PA in negotiating Palestine’s future w. Israel. I firmly believe this.

    And you also must remember (as I write elsewhere in this blog) that Hamas was a creation of the IDF to counterbalance the power of the then PLO in the Territories. Just as the CIA helped create the mujahadeen we’re now fighting in Afghanistan, the IDF helped create its own worst enemy. Be careful what you wish for & create; it may come back to haunt you. Also, once you create a movement like this it’s impossible to put it back in the bottle. That’s what the IDF is now trying to do w. Hamas. And it won’t work.

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