What do Howard Berman, Brad Sherman, Jane Harman, Gary Ackerman and all the other Congressional water-carriers for Aipac care about the impact of their vote for closing Iran’s oil spigot, even if it might force Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation and start a regional war? This is precisely the danger foreseen by the Founding Fathers when they arrogated the conduct of foreign policy to the executive branch and not the legislature. Members of Congress grandstand and posture for their constituents. They pander for votes. Of course, they will vote for everything Aipac tells them to and more, in return for unlimited cash from pro-Israel donors. Who the hell cares if their actions bring the region closer to conflagration? When the shit hits the fan, they’ll blame Obama and say it’s the president who conducts foreign policy, not them.
On a slightly different note, UPI is reporting the settlement of a lawsuit brought by the government against the defense contractor which provides the fuses for the bunker buster bombs Obama gave the Israelis for use in penetrating Iran’s underground nuclear facilities. The lawsuit alleged that fuses for the weapons were defective. This may have some impact on Israel’s plans for attacking Iran, unless they’ve already solved the problem.
Returning to the NY Times story, I found this passage in David Sanger’s report to be foolhardy:
…A White House spokesman said there would be no comment on the Iranian threat to close the strait. That seemed in keeping with what administration officials say has been an effort to lower the level of angry exchanges, partly to avoid giving the Iranian government the satisfaction of a response and partly to avoid spooking financial markets.
You mean passing a law to destroy Iran’s ability to feed its people wasn’t provocation enough? And not responding to the Iranian threat will somehow assuage them? And do Sanger and Obama think that the financial markets don’t read the NY Times and won’t understand the full import of the Iranian threat?
As I’ve written here, any attempt to stop Iran’s access to world oil markets is likely to blow up in our faces. It will send the price of oil sky-high, it will not necessarily shut Iran out of the markets, and will benefit Iran which stands to gain a financial windfall from increased oil prices. In fact, today world oil prices broke the $100/barrel barrier. Hey, the sky’s the limit. Howard Kohr and the boys from Aipac are probably working up some new ploy which will send them even higher. I can’t wait to find out what they have in store for us next. And this couldn’t have happened at a more opportune moment economically when the 99% (which excludes Obama, Sherman, Harman, Berman, et al.) face a looming recession and nearly 10% unemployment.
Don’t ya just love the cool certainty of this Treasury Department wise man who assures us the administration knows precisely how to handle this situation so that it will cause maximum harm to Iran and minimum harm to the U.S.:
“We have flexibility here, and I think we have a pretty good opportunity to dial this in just the right way that it does end up putting significant pressure on Iran.”
Why didn’t you say so? Now I know we’re in good hands and nothing bad can come of this nonsense.
So here’s the U.S. plan in all its brilliance:
…The administration’s aim is to reduce Iran’s oil revenue by diminishing the volume of sales and forcing Iran to give its customers a discount on the price of crude.
Got that? Through some sort of magical hocus-pocus we’re going to cut Iran’s ability to sell oil to anyone. That won’t send the price of oil for us through the roof by some sleight of hand. Luckily, there are some sane analysts out there who take a dim view of the practicalities of this:
Some economists question whether reducing Iran’s oil exports without moving the price of oil is feasible, even if the market is given signals about alternative supplies. Already, analysts at investment banks are warning of the possibility of rising gasoline prices in 2012, due to the new sanctions by the United States as well as complementary sanctions under consideration by the European Union.
Note that the administration plans to offer “alternative supplies” to Iran’s trading partners so that they can wean themselves from that country’s oil. We haven’t ever been able to get the Saudis to do anything we wanted regarding raising or lowering their oil production. Now all of a sudden not only will the Saudis answer the call, but they’ll have enough to replace what the world supply will lose from Iran. Libya, Iraq (with it’s Shiite majority largely sympathetic to Iran) and Angola will take up the slack. Oh, and we’ve got to approve the Keystone pipeline too and approve all those new fracking wells that threaten to destroy the water supply for hundreds of thousands of Americans. If you believe this fairy tale, I’ve got a rusting hulk of a NYC bridge to sell you.
Another alarming intended effect of the new sanctions is to wreck the Iranian economy, which is supposed to be in free-fall. But this appears to be a game of chicken: who will such a collapse hurt more–the country’s rulers or the tens of millions of ordinary Iranians who will be bankrupted and starved by the destruction of their national economy? I strongly doubt that the common folk will rise up to smite their rulers because of the impact of these sanctions. In fact, it’s liable to have precisely the opposite effect. While we’re playing this game of Russian roulette determining who will lose the most, thousands of Iranian babies will begin dying from lack of basic sustenance and available health care just as happened in Saddam’s Iraq. Is this really a moral burden Barack Obama wants to shoulder? Of course, George Bush was happy to do so. And the Aipac crowd will be happy to do so as well. But does Obama want to be called the killer of Iranian babies?
Note also how the alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador has become real in this passage from Sanger’s report:
…A plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States…
Now here I always thought it was the responsibility of the government to prove its claims in a court of law. How foolish of me. I didn’t realize reporters could decide for themselves that a government allegation was actually a proven fact.
In a misplaced comment to the previous post I asked if anyone has seen Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lately. I thought I had seen speculation here that he is dead.
Richard kindly replied: “No, you read a pro-Israel hack commenter quoting some lame-assed propaganda site making such a claim,” which I take to be a subtle confirmation that the speculation was not first posted here.
But the question remains: Has anybody seen Mahmoud?
Last week Iran had Admiral Habibollah Sayari admirably dressed in his naval uniform rattling submarines over Hormuz. Yesterday the Iranian dog and pony show featured vice-prick Mohammad Reza Rahimi. And today Sayari is back in the spotlight – a spotlight Ahmadinejad rarely shares.
Maybe Mamoud took a few days off to attend the Nativity festivities in Bethlehem? Or maybe he really is with Gadaffi, bin Laden, Jong Il, and Menachim Begin? Just guessing.
As far as closing Hormuz – I’m on the floor laughing.
These tag-team threats indicate how much the Iranians are crapping in their pants. Recall the 1988 USS Roberts incident when Reagan went into Hormuz and totally kicked the Iranian navy’s butt in about 20 minutes. And then he followed that up a couple months later by blowing the Iranian Airbus with 290 passengers out of the sky.
Iran has been making these idiot threats since at least 2008. Until they get their nuke, it’s all they have.
Israel and its goons (i.e., US neocons and AIPAC controlling both Congress and the White House) are salivating for an act of war to let loose. Iran closing Hormuz would have roughly the same chances of succeeding as Iraq’s attack on Kuwait.
But at least it would give Obama the war he needs to get re-elected – taking a page from Bush, and Reagan, and Nixon, and F.D.R., and Teddy R. and . . .
Denis – Read about Iran’s supersonic anti-ship missile, Sunburn. It is Russian technology that Iran has adapted. The Hormuz closing has been war gamed by the Navy, and we lost big time. A missile launched from near the shore of the Straits would hit a ship in seconds – no time for defensive measures. The first slow moving tanker that got hit would stop any further tankers from even trying.
I don’t see how the Iranians can close the Straits of Hormuz. The US Navy can move aircraft carriers with awesome firepower into the area.
All they have to do is engage in hit & run attacks on tankers or other traffic. The Iranians have a lot more territory & personnel than we do fr which to launch such attacks.
Perhaps they can hire somalian pirates for these hit and run attacks on tankers. Its not the event of closing the straits that matters, the big question is how long can they keep it closed?
“Members of Congress grandstand and posture for their constituents. They pander for votes. Of course, they will vote for everything Aipac tells them to and more, in return for unlimited cash from pro-Israel donors.”
Presidents have usually been as bad. Bush was as bad, and gave AIPAC the Iraq war. Obama blustered, got told the facts of life (by Emanuel?) and is reformed (unless he plans a January surprise (Jan 2013 that is).
I’m still looking for a sighting of our boy Mahmoud. When was the last live sighting?
I push this because today’s dog and pony threat-show was run by yet a third underling: deputy chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Hossein Salami.
If anybody sees Mahmoud, tell him to please call home. The US would like to speak to him.
@jdledell — oh yes, I agree that it would be a dust up. The Hormuz is 21-34 mi. at it’s narrowest, depending on who you read. I see it as 32 mi. on Google Earth. These are notoriously shallow waters. There is a 6 mi. wide shipping corridor comprising a 2 mi. wide channel in each direction and a 2 mi buffer. So there’s not a lot of elbow room. And as your scenario suggests land based anti-ship missiles would easily find their targets.
But google “carpet bombing.” In response to a missile attack in the Strait, the US would not be doing precision bombing. The US would love such a provocation in order to flatten every building that could possibly be a source of trouble in Hormuz. This would, not coincidentally, include the uranium production facility at Bandas Abbas, not far from the naval base.
In fact, have a look at the Iranian Naval base at Bandas Abbas, right on the strait. If you copy 27.159453° 56.169848° into google earth, you’ll see it. You can see a half dozen worn out amphibious craft and a few helicopters. You will also see in the docks 2 submarines and a number of frigates. This is what mince meat looks like before it goes through the grinder.
If you want to see the grinder, go to Wiki and dial in “Fifth Fleet”
I recall that there has been a lot of controversy over the “war game” outcomes for this scenario, which you mention. Originally the outcome was reported as dire, but these results were challenged. So the fluff goes both way as to how much damage Iran could do and for how long.
But do you know what the best indicator is? Spot price on oil. Until the Bloomberg charts all go green and the barrel shoots past $200, you can pretty much guess that those who analyze these things are betting on the 5th Fleet. So far the spot has barely budged.
I’ve got a new name for you, Silverstein. Axis of Evil Sally.
I’ve got a new name for you: Banned.