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I’ve just returned from the historic first national J Street conference attended by 1,500 Jewish progressives and peace activists. I found it to be alternately bracing, challenging, illuminating and infuriating. During a lifetime when I have been used to feeling in the minority for my political views, it was quite amazing to walk through the halls of the hotel and see hordes of Jews (and non-Jewish allies including Arabs) who shared (more or less) my own particular outlook on the Israeli-Arab conflict. Coming from a community of 40,000 Jews here in Seattle, it had been years since I had seen that many Jews in one place at one time, let alone progressive Jews. So yes, it was a heady experience.
J Street has done a great deal to break open the discourse around this subject in the American Jewish community. No longer do we have to feel like we’re whispering in the dark when we’re calling for a two state solution that offers justice to both Israel and the Palestinians. No longer does Aipac and the rest of the Israel lobby sit astride the colossus that is American Jewry and crack the party line whip. No longer does the Israeli government “own” the entire American Jewish leadership enabling it to march in lock step around any particular issue. There has been more diversity in the discourse in the past 18 months since J Street launched than in the past decade before that.
But I don’t want to paint an overly rosy picture. J Street is still very much a work in progress. Can it take advantage of the breakthrough that happened this past weekend to mount a coherent and persuasive alternative political line to the Israel lobby? Can it open dialogue on this issue on Capital Hill as well? And in the White House? I think it has already done so to a small extent. But J Street is battling a $60 Million Man with perhaps tens of thousands of volunteers throughout the nation and direct access to hundreds of members of Congress and their staff. J Street is nowhere near that level of power and influence–yet.
But clearly, at least parts of the lobby are deeply frightened of J Street and have let loose the guns in the run-up to the conference. There was an orchestrated campaign by Aipac to prevent the Israeli ambassador from attending the conference. A former Aipac staffer known for his smeary reputation penned an article accusing the group of accepting donations from ARABS! Other “journalists” and bloggers took up other themes designed to raise doubt about J Streets bona fides as a legitimate Jewish organization.
For this reason, J Street has felt it needed to walk the line between a conventional pro-Israel position as defined by the Israel lobby and a more progressive line. This is where I have often felt myself diverge from the group’s strategy. There is clearly a minefield through which J Street is walking. It does not want to be another Aipac, but it also does not want to turn into yet another small, underfunded, short-lived Jewish progressive group along the lines of Breira, New Jewish Agenda or even the late lamented liberal American Jewish Congress. For that reason, J Street, when it can, attempts to adopt positions that show an independent, maverick streak. For example, it has endorsed the current Berman Iran sanctions bill being marked up in Congress this week. This is definitely not a progressive position. But it an attempt to triangulate between left and right and walk a line that is neither on one side or the other but somewhere between.
Jeremy Ben Ami, the Jewish lobby’s director, gave an interview to Jeffrey Goldberg in which he took quite center-right positions on issues like Iran sanctions, the Goldstone Report, the Law of Return and other matters. It was a calculated attempt to show the so-called centrist Goldberg that J Street couldn’t be pigeon-holed as a mere extension of the Jewish left.
On the other hand, J Street clearly arose out of a progressive Jewish impulse and knows that this is what makes it unique and important on the current scene. As but one example, Jerry Haber and I organized a blogger session at the conference. It was a delicate relationship which began with a frustrating attempt on my part to understand why J Street refused to incorporate the panel into the official program. But eventually, I began to see this decision as actually good not just for J Street but for the bloggers themselves since it allowed J Street to disagree with us and vice versa. And that is precisely what happened. During our panel at the conference bloggers like Max Blumenthal took Ben Ami strongly to task for the Goldberg interview. And alternately, a Palestinian-American blogger offered the strongest and most heartfelt endorsement of J Street’s two-state solution.
Such a panel allows J Street legitimately to claim that it is open to voices to its left. Nothing can ossify an organization quicker than forcing a consensus down the throats of members. Aipac has done this more or less and its positions are about as ossified as they can be. One of the beauties of J Street is that it is a work in progress. It has strong positions as well it should. But it is also open to an evolution of the political process. This year J Street debated one set of issues. Next year, new ideas and concepts will creep into the mix. J Street may never explicitly endorse BDS or the Goldstone Report or any number of issues propounded by the left. But next year, those issues may at least be debated officially within the halls of the conference. Perhaps Neve Gordon and Naomi Klein will even be invited to enter the august halls of J Street next year. That is all we can legitimately ask of J Street. That they remain open to the free flow of ideas and adapt their political agenda as those ideas become or accepted and enter the mainstream.
Returning to the blogger panel, Blumenthal had one of the more memorably funny quotes of the day criticizing Elie Wiesel’s address to Pastor John Hagee’s Christians United for Israel national event (the joke refers to Wiesel’s investment losses with Bernie Madoff):
The last person Elie Wiesel trusted this much was Bernie Madoff.
The blogger panel was slimed by Michael Goldfarb in his bile-filed post in the Weekly Standard. Among the more objectionable passages in his report was a description of Gaza Muslim blogger Laila El-Haddad as “hijab covered.” I wonder why Goldfarb didn’t comment on Jerry Haber, an Orthodox blogger and co-host of the panel, wearing a kipah. The comment was clearly Islamophobic and shameful. Goldfarb seems to fancy himself an expert on Arab religious head gear, but hasn’t a clue what a hijab really is. A scarf, which Laila wore, is not a hijab.
Rachel Barenblatt offers a fuller report on the panel discussion at Velveteen Rabbi.
Another denizen of the right-wing Jewish deep slime, Hillel Stavis, crashed the panel, taking pictures of the panelists and attendees without authorization and had to be escorted from the room. Since he was a registered conference goer, J Street allowed him to remain in the hall even though he wrote a scummy report at his own blog complaining of his “shabby” treatment.
What follows is a combination of an outline of the most interesting ideas I heard from speakers at the conference combined with my critique of the ideas when they really impressed or disgusted me.
There were several discussions about settlements. At one, Akiva Eldar of Haaretz recounted a great story about a settler leader named Elitzur who told the reporter:
The Land of Israel is my wife. The State of Israel is my cleaning lady. If I have to make a choice, I choose my wife.
On a similar theme, Bernard Avishai has come up with what I think is a brilliant new term that distinguishes the settlers from your average Israeli. He calls the former “Judeans.” This too frames them as tied to the ancient land of Israel and also ancient, outmoded Biblical notions of Jewish nationhood. Avishai is interested in a definition of Israel that is modern and like unto the nations and not yoked to hide-bound notions of God-given rights to the land. That is why he has called his new book, The Hebrew Republic, to separate it from the settlers’ notion that Israel is Judaic religious entity (in the sense that a settler would use the term “Judaic”).
I also had an interesting chat with Avishai about his debate with Jeffrey Goldberg about the Law of Return. He favors dropping the Law of Return in favor of a standard set of immigration procedures like all other countries have. Within those procedures there would be provisions for accepting as immigrants any Jews facing life-threatening danger or anti-Semitism. But once admitted to Israel these immigrants would have to wait a requisite period to become citizens just as in other countries. This is precisely the type of normalization of Israeli life I too believe in. As long as Israel is home to Jewish exceptionalism, it will not find its rightful place in the region or the world.
J.J. Goldberg participated in two panels and for me it was two too many. At The American Jewish Left and Israel he made a series of strange statements that showed he had long since eschewed his mantle as a hero of the radical Jewish student movement of the 60s and 70s and become a cranky old Yid. Among his more memorable statements (I paraphrase):
* The American Jewish left has a problem with guns. This is a problem Israel can’t afford.
* 20 years ago J.J.’s lefty Jewish friends were beaten up by Jewish goons from the JDL and the like. Now, he thinks they were beaten up by the wrong people but for the right reason.
* the younger generation of American and Israeli Jews has been traumatized by 9/11 and the second intifada.
As for the last point above, J.J. has got it precisely wrong. He himself and those who think like him have been traumatized by 9/11 and the Intifada. Young Jews, on the contrary have not been affected nearly in the same way. In fact, polls by American Jewish pollsters show that young Jews in this country are increasingly alienated from Israel not because of the events the Forward editor lists, but because of Israel’s harsh, unyielding REACTION to them.
The conference featured an excellent panel on developments in Iran headlined by Trita Parsi, founder of the National Iranian American Council (and a guest speaker at the Seattle conference I’ll be hosting in December) and Hillary Mann Leverett. These are two of the clearest thinking, most pragmatic Iran analysts in this country. Their voices were fresh and a delight.
Both argue against sanctions. Parsi pointed out that due to existing American sanctions, Microsoft had already closed down its own Instant Messaging service before the disputed Iranian elections in June. Facebook was about to do so when the violent uproar occurred in the streets of Teheran and people massed in their tens and hundreds of thousands using sites like Twitter and Facebook as their social networking Bibles. The Iranian activist was pointing out the utter counter-productiveness of using sanctions like a sledge-hammer rather than the scalpel that is needed to make any progress on these issues.
Parsi argues that America tends only to think of punishments for Iran not behaving as it would like. Instead, we must think of what we can offer the Iranians that would act as motivators for them to change their behavior or compromise on issues of importance to the U.S. Sticks do not work without carrots. Iran wants to normalize relations with the U.S. Then why don’t we hold this out as a possibility if Iran compromises?
To point out the level of delusion and mutual misunderstanding that exists among the various major parties to this conflict, Trita noted that Iranians think of the U.S. 90% of the time and believe that Americans think of Iran 90% of the time. They don’t. Israelis think of Iran 90% of the time and believe Iranians think of Israel 90% of the time. They don’t.
Leverett called for a major U.S. opening to Iran, likening it to Nixon’s breakthrough trip to China in 1972. Back then, Nixon was willing to reconcile with a Chinese leader who had just killed 3-million during the Cultural Revolution, who had recently tested an atomic weapon, and who was threatening Japan, a major U.S. ally. Despite all these issues, Nixon did not waver in his commitment to open a relationship with the Communist regime. As a result, relations now, while not always tension-free, are on a much more stable footing than they ever were since the Communist takeover in 1949.
In this scenario, Israel plays a similar role to Japan. Leverett contends that a grand opening to Iran could have precisely the same results that Nixon’s opening to China did in vastly improving U.S. relations with Iran and the latter’s relations with Israel.
J Street has adopted a confusing position regarding sanctions. While it supports the Berman bill, Ben Ami said during a discussion with Rabbi Eric Yoffie that it supports diplomatic engagement, but does not YET support sanctions. I can’t reconcile those two positions. In addition, I asked whether J Streeters, when they lobby on Capital Hill tomorrow will be talking about sanctions. The answer I heard was No. Imagine the importance of such an issue in the possible lead up to a military attack against Iran and J Street has chosen to sit on its hands.
Sooner rather than later, J Street’s leadership will come to understand that sanctions are not a wedge issue like the ones Republicans exploit for partisan gain. Rather they are part of a possible scenario that could lead to scores, hundreds or even thousands losing their lives in attacks and counter-attacks involving Iran, Israel and their respective allies. Thus, sanctions must soon demand a pure moral response rather than a tactical political one, as reflects J Street’s current position. Otherwise, the worst could happen, and by then it will be too late for progressive Jews to weigh in with a principled position.
One of the important achievements of the conference was a panel composed entirely of Palestinians who shared their vision of what they wanted a peaceful future to look like. Bassim Khoury, the recently resigned PA economics minister (he resigned in protest of Mahmoud Abbas’ shelving of the Goldstone Report), reported that no one could argue any longer that Jerusalem was a “united” city. In fact, he claimed, the Holy City was characterized by apartheid in which the Jewish section of the city received a vastly superior percentage of resources and services compared to the impoverished Arab section. The numbers, when Khoury flashed them on the screen in Powerpoint slides, were chilling.
He had another memorable line:
The Green Line is a red line.
When Hussein Ibish took up what he called the “red herring” argument advanced by Bibi Netanyahu that Palestinians must accept Israel as a Jewish state, I thought how insane it would be for Mahmoud Abbas to insist that Israel recognize Palestine as a Muslim state. Clearly, what Netanyahu is trying to do is head off the claims of those who advance the Palestinian Right of Return. If Israel is accepted by Palestinians as a Jewish state then presumably they have just dispensed with their right to demand a return to their ancestral homes and homeland.
Gen. Jim Jones, Obama’s national security advisor, gave the keynote speech and I’ve rarely heard a less illuminating, more canned speech. It told us absolutely nothing new except that the Obama administration, if Jones’ remarks are a true reflection of current policy, are based on wildly optimistic assumptions about the actions of all the major players. Just as an example, Jones acted as if he believed it was possible to get Russia and China around a sanctions regime against Iran. I see no evidence this is yet remotely possible.
But the speech I most objected to followed Jones and was delivered by Rep. Robert Wexler, who was Barack Obama’s court Jew during the election campaign. Wexler had no clue what audience he was addressing. He shreyed at us like we were residents of a Jewish old age home in Boca Raton, his home district. He kept harping on the issue of Israel’s security repeating three times that U.S. and Israeli forces were at that moment engaging in military exercises. Did Wexler really think this was a message that would resonate at a J Street conference? Did no one at J Street brief him on his remarks? Wexler reminded us that Hamas were nothing but terrorist thugs and that President Abbas and prime minister were the great white hope of the Palestinian people.
The Florida congressman even had the chutzpah to say that Jordan’s King Abdullah simply wasn’t doing enough for peace when he pointed out to the Obama administration that the 2002 Arab League peace initiative was on the table and Israel should accept it before the Arabs can be expected to reciprocate. What did Wexler demand in return from Israel? That it accept a settlement freeze. There is a fundamental disconnect in pro-Israel people like Wexler who don’t stop to understand the differences in their respective expectations of Israel and the Arab states. Essentially, Wexler expects the Arab states to normalize relations with Israel. In return, Israel has to freeze settlements. Not, return to ’67 borders. Not, share Jerusalem. Not, accept the Right of Return. Just freeze settlements. There is a fundamental imbalance there.
Obama’s top Jew parroted the Aipac line that Iran must give up all uranium (which when he pronounced the word came out sounding like “Iranium”) enrichment and live up to the requirement of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The only problem with this line is that according to NPT, Iran is entitled to enrich uranium as long as it doesn’t do so to weapons grade. Wexler comes across to me as a wind up toy you program and then let loose on whatever audience you want him to tackle. There is no finesse, no intelligence. Just canned talking points brayed in an insistently loud voice as if he was imploring you to believe him.
Believe it or not, Wexler has just announced his resignation from Congress in order to take up the presidency of the Middle East Foundation for Peace and Economic Cooperation. One wonders how someone who knows so little about the issues can successfully take up such a portfolio.
There was some consternation among progressive attendees at Rabbi Eric Yoffie’s address to the conference. He spent a good deal of time launching rather vicious personal attacks on Judge Richard Goldstone and his report on the Gaza war. One of Yoffie’s main claim was that it was shameful for Goldstone to allow himself to be used as a Jew by such an anti-Israel body as the UN Human Rights Council. To my shock, Yoffie’s dyspeptic statements were booed three times by the audience. The last time, the moderator, Jane Eisner, publisher of The Forward, invited those booing to leave the room. What I don’t think she understood was that there were probably more people in the audience who were disgusted by Yoffie’s attack than supported it. One could easily argue that it was Yoffie who was showing chutzpah rather than the audience.
I wondered why the Reform movement’s leader would come to J Street propounding such an antagonistic position. I realized that Yoffie, who attacked J Street during the Gaza war for insufficient pro-Israel patriotism, had to cover his own right flank. By attacking Goldstone he could argue on returning to the Reform fold that he went into the lion’s den to tell the “Jewish leftists” how a good pro-Israel Jew sees these issues. In that way, Yoffie allows himself to say that he’s willing to talk to the Jewish left and he can tell the Jewish right he only went there to tell off the leftists.
One of the most disappointing Israeli speakers at J Street was former Kadima Knesset leader and convicted sex offender, Haim Ramon. He is clearly a very smart, very rigid Israeli politician who comes with a clearly programmed Diaspora speech praising the two state solution and warning how quickly Israel will face a dreaded one-state solution if it does not act to end the Occupation. The only problem with this rap is that Ramon served as a senior minister in numerous governments (most recently under Ehud Olmert) who had their chance to end the Occupation and chose to squander it on useless wars in Lebanon and Gaza.
Ramon even had the temerity to boast of being one of the prime movers of the unilateral Gaza withdrawal. That worked out quite well, didn’t it? He claimed that Israel should adopt the same policy and, if necessary unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank. Hearing this left me scratching my head: if it didn’t work the first time why would it work the second??
Ultimately, the question will be if J Street can become part of the discusson which informs decision-making in Israel, or will it prove to be a talk-shop for a group of American Jews no-one listens to. At the moment, given that probaly 99% of Israelis have never heard of J Street, even after this week’s conference, things aren’t looking too good on the “relevancy” front.
That would be a problem, if J Street wasn’t actually trying to affect decision making in the US.
(1) What do you make of this: Jeremy Ben-Ami aligns “J-Street” with the Kadima party. If memory serves, they were the party that fought two wars in which they bombed the heck out of Lebanon and then Gaza and for which they were condemned by Goldstone as war criminals. How do you think all the BDS’s and Goldstoners at the conference will react to this?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256557978811&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
(2) I find it odd that you characterize yourself as being in the minority…you have told me more than once here that your views on controversial things like the “peace process”, dividing Jerusalem, and the such are supported by the majority of Jews both in Israel and in the US, and you have quoted polls backing this up (although you have not provided links). I am confused by this.
(3) I see you heard Bernard Avishai. A couple of weeks ago I mentioned how he divided Jews in Israel into two groups (“Judeans”-bad…..but not just “settlers” as you indicated but also Haredim, settler-supporters and other undesirable groups making up, say, 25-30% of the population, as contrasted with the good “Israelis”…secular, entrepeneural , progressive, universalist, etc) and that it was up to the US to threaten the “Israelis” in order to motivate them to eradicate the Judeans because without the threat of sanctions the Israelis won’t move against the Judeans. When I posted that you naturally didn’t believe me but now that you have heard it first hand, what do you think? Is that a practical way of dealing with the problem that the Israeli electorate has not voted the way the “progressives” want?
(4) Were there any organized groups at the conference calling for BDS against Israel and, if so, how were they received by the crowd?
I’ve told you countless times that anything the JPost publishes is automatically drivel unless confirmed by a reputable journalistic source. Jeremy Ben Ami has not allied J Street with Kadima. There were a few washed up Kadima politicians like Haim Ramon on panels. I’ve critiqued Ramon’s tired old rhetoric in a blog post I wrote yesterday. I don’t have the patience or low enough blood pressure to read the garbage you linked to fr. the Post. Suffice to say, I can tell it’s garbage just by the few words you use to describe it.
I demonstrated in Jerusalem in favor of Israeli negotiations with the PLO in 1972 when it was illegal to do so. I advocated a 2 state solution in the early 1980s when you were considered loony left for doing so. So yes, I have felt lonely at times in my life for my political views. But I am comforted by the fact that so many of the big ideas I advocated over time became accepted by the mainstream just as Israeli-Palestinian peace will be accepted by the main parties on terms I outline here & which you find anathema. When that happens it will satisfy me no end.
As usual you provide not quotation or even link to allow us to tell whether you have quoted Avishai correctly. Knowing him as I do I doubt strongly he used the term “threaten.” That sounds like an interpolation by you.
Avishai at J St. did not talk at all about threatening Israel or calling for sanctions. Again, unless you prove he’s said or written it somewhere else, I choose to disbelieve you. I’m not saying Avishai didn’t say this. I’m merely demanding that you prove yr claims before they can be taken seriously.
If you’d bother to read this very post you’d know that BDS was not a subject for the conference. I raised the question for discussion at the blogger panel but no one took me up on it.
Richard, thank you for your lengthy and comprehensive report on the J Street doings. I get the impression that you are coming around to my own belief that J Street is not all that different from the rest of the Lobby. They claim to be progressive but on almost all issues support the same positions: A “Jewish” state; two-state solution (which will never happen); oppression of Iran. What makes them different? Why bother supporting that old clichè, a rose by any other name?
One of these days it will be apparent that neither, the U.S., nor Israel, want peace in the region. That does not conform with the hegemon’s program of perpetual war.
Hello? Richard? If you ever get around to posting my comment, please fix the typo – it should be “relevance”, of course. There’s no such word as relevancy.
Should you decide not to post it, I will obviously post it on my side, to publicly document your fear of freedom of expression.
Cheers,
Yaacov
Stop being such an idiot would you. The next time you engage in such snark I won’t publish your comment. So drop it. If you don’t, you won’t publish another comment here.
I could care less if you publish at yr own blog any other of your comments you attempt to publish at my blog. If you think this is what anyone wants to read or is a way to boost interest in your blog you’re mistaken. Though I urge you to knock yrself out.
RE: “There’s no such word as relevancy.”
MY COMMENT: OK, If you say so!
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/relevancy
Main Entry: rel·e·van·cy
Pronunciation: \-vən(t)-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural rel·e·van·cies
Date: 1561
: relevance; also : something relevant
Thanks for the report. Wish I could’ve been there.
I wonder, however, about this:
Another denizen of the right-wing Jewish deep slime, Hillel Stavis, crashed the panel, taking pictures of the panelists and attendees without authorization and had to be escorted from the room. Since he was a registered conference goer, J Street allowed him to remain in the hall even though he wrote a scummy report at his own blog complaining of his “shabby” treatment.
What’s wrong with his taking pictures (whatever his political views)? For that matter, I tracked down the blog post, and whatever the accuracy of his depiction of events, it seems like he had a legitimate beef — he’d paid & registered, others were taking pictures, why couldn’t he stay and do the same?
This seems like another episode in what this blog calls the “war on photography” — attempts to get people to stop taking pictures which is, after all, part of a fundamental right to free expression.
So could expand on this a bit more?
Everyone at the conference had to have credentials, a tag around their neck to identify who they are & confirm they were paid registrants. He did not wear a credential when he crashed our session & started filming it. To take pictures during a session you needed to get special permission to do so. He didn’t. That’s why he was thrown out of our session.
Stavis has a history of shoving cameras in the face of Boston peace activists, asking insulting demeaning questions and then circulating the images publicly. He also threatened another peace activist who used the same tactic by shoving a camera in Stavis’ face saying to him: “If you don’t get out of my way I’ll punch you in the fucking face.” I knew his M.O. before he crashed our session. I chose not to stand for it.
If you Google Stavis’ name here you can find the video & watch it. If you think that I’m opposed to public photography you’re mistaken. I’m opposed to photography being used by bullies to bully people exercising their right of free speech as we were.
I was rather ssurprised by Rabbi Eric Yoffie’s positions. Has he always been a rightist?
I’m happy that at least the grass-roots attendees of the conference sound like they were mostly progressive, and recognize the deeply problematic nature of Israel’s behavior. The leadership of J Street and speakers’ roster strikes me as very right-wing and reactionary, though, for the most part. The fact that the main J Street organizer could compare Walt & Mearsheimer’s book to the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ shows how radically off-target much of the organized American Jewish community remains. That is plain offensive and highly slanderous.
Ben-Ami’s remark also points to a deeper problem I see subtly embedded in a lot of the conversation about J Street. There’s this implicit sentiment that American Jews have more of a right to weigh in on Israel and American Middle East foreign policy than the rest of Americans. It is precisely this assumption that must be discarded by a sizable majority of Americans before, imo, a real shift will happen on this issue. The present (if undeclared in so many words) notion that American Jews have more of an inherent right than other Americans to influence America’s Israel policy is offensive to the vast gentile American majority, for Americans as a whole are greatly affected by our country’s destructive and harmful Israel policy and Middle East foreign policy. It affects our whole relationship with the Arab/Persian/Muslim world, Americans’ ability to travel in that part of the world, our safety as a whole, etc. This assumption also reveals a degree of exceptionalist, and frankly even supremacist, thinking vis-a-vis the rest of their fellow Americans that is quite disturbing.
J-Street is not a new phenomenon is Jewish-Zionist political history.
Shalom Achshav and American Friends of Peace Now very quickly became adjuncts of the Israeli Labor Party.
J-Street and AFPN make sure that Jewish Zionists control discourse when the current Zionist orthodoxy loses its hold.
J-Street is just as much a part of the Israel Lobby as the American Friends of Peace Now.
There really is no concern for justice or for Palestinians.
Heaven forfend that there should ever be a discussion of the damage that the Israel Lobby, fellow travelers, and useful idiots do to America: Scaremongering Muslim Interns, Undermining Democracy.
In addition, there is good evidence that major factions of the Israel Lobby are poisoning the health care debate as I point out in Health Care, Obama, Israel Lobby — somewhere about half way through.
To have an effect, critics of the Israel Lobby must point out the skulduggery of the Israel Lobby on non-Israel bread & butter issues.
Altho I am critical of some of Mr. Martillo’s ideas, with this I agree:
“J-Street is just as much a part of the Israel Lobby as the American Friends of Peace Now.”
The J-Street conference as described reminds me of a Brit-Zedek conference I went to years ago. I was new to the issue, had only recently come to a stance very critical of Israel, and was excited to be at this gathering of people who (so I thot) shared my view.
What I found was a whole day of workshops about Jews. What should Jews do? The one workshop scheduled by a Palestinian was canceled.
So often the question becomes tribal – what is good for the Jews?
You have genocidal folk like Israel’s leaders and you have less than-genocidal people who think not all Palestinians should be killed; let a small number be kept alive on bantustans. [the “two-state solution”]
In fact, the only honest appraisal is that the Palestinians are in a struggle for liberation, like peoples all over the world have fought for their liberation from oppression.
One is either for Palestinian self-determination or against it.
There is no middle ground.
It is not possible to have a Jewish state and have Palestinian self-determination. This is what Richard, and J-street, and the “Two-staters” want.
They want a Jewish state and they want a clear conscience.
Not possible.
Considering that something like 70% of Americans view Israel favorably, it doesn’t seem that most Americans agree with your view that America’s policy to Israel is “destructive and harmful”, as you put it. In any event, there are far more non-Jews in the strong core group of Israel supporters than there are Jews. Strong American support for a Jewish state goes back as far as the 1830’s and 1840’s (President Lincoln came out in support, for example), long before there was any sort of significant Jewish vote in the US.
Listen, you must comment at so many sites (& repeat yrself so often) you can’t remember what you’ve published here. DO NOT REPEAT YOURSELF. You’ve said the same precise argument here before. I rebutted it before but I’m too tired to do so again. The next time you repeat yrself I’m going to delete the comment. Keep better track of what you publish here or I’ll have to become your editor.
Richard –
Why not simply let folks say things? You can always delete obscenities, if anyone posts them. Short of that, however, why intervene at all? It’s your blog, you get to have your say unimpeded, and then readers discuss.
It’s called Free Speech.
Yaacov
All I can say is that I’ve written this blog since 2003 and developed rules with which I feel comfortable. Over 20,000 comments seem to indicate debate here is fairly free & open. What I demand of you is that you attempt to state yr pt w/o threat or snark. Follow that rule & you’ll have no trouble publishing whatever you feel the need to say.
RE: Considering that something like 70% of Americans view Israel favorably, it doesn’t seem that most Americans agree with your view that America’s policy to Israel is “destructive and harmful”
MY COMMENT: The above statement is patently and logically flawed.
I think that you were too busy with Hillel Stavis to notice the real development of the meeting. It is the decision of the J street U to remove “pro-Israel” from the pro-Israel, pro-peace motto
Oh yes, that was a critically important development in the history of the Israeli-Arab conflict. Right up there with the 56 & 67 wars.
Criticism of Israel or anti-Semitism?
This article in Counterpunch should put this “debate” to rest.
Michale Neumann:
Antisemites have flocked to criticism of Israel precisely because criticism of Israel is so amply justified. Criticism of Israel isn’t a great disguise because the critics are sleazebags. Quite the contrary: it’s a great disguise because criticizing Israel is not only correct, it’s the right thing to do. The more-than-overwhelming majority of those who criticize Israel are genuine humanitarians, genuine enemies of oppression and ethnic nationalism, genuine fighters for justice. The more obvious this has become, the more antisemites get on board.
http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann10292009.html
New York readers might be interested in this piece re both Senators Schumer
and Gillebrand dropped out of J Street conference due to pressure from AIPAC:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/Gillibrand_Schumer_drop_out_of_J_Street_conference.html