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  1. It’s more than a crying shame. The “talibangalists” (as I like to call them) are succeeding in weakening science education even further in this country. I just read this really fascinating book called “The Trouble With Science” by Robin Dunbar, which came out 10 years ago back when “Intelligent Design” just meant a well-designed car or something. He made the point that we’re so dependent on science to sustain our way of life (our technology-dependent way of life including things like “eating” and “drinking clean water” and “not getting sick and dying of horrible diseases”) that if we stop sustaining scientific research and development, and lose our ability in these areas, we’re in for a really rough ride.

  2. Do Jews own the rights of the Holocaust? Do you own the Holocaust? That’s seems, or as you present it, to be pretty arrogant.

    His argument comparing the stem cell research seems quite plausible to me and it appears your only objection is that his reference to Nazi is an infringement simply because it references a event you feel deeply about. It is more than the Jewish people that feel strongly about the Hitler’s treatment and value of life.

    He has just as much right to “appropriate” that event as you do to object to it. It’s not sacred. LIFE is sacred.

  3. What an ignorant & offensive comment by HG North.

    Do Jews “own” the Holocaust? Let me put it this way. If your mother and father were turned to ash in a crematorium would I grant you the right to “own” their death and any discussion about it we were to have? Yeah, sure I would. If I said to you that some moral issue I felt strongly about reminded me of your parent’s death & you felt I was abusing their memory in making such an analogy should I respect you and their memory & desist from using such an analogy? Yeah, that would be decent & respectful of you.

    The fact that you don’t understand what I’m saying & feel Dobson did nothing wrong despite protests from national Jewish groups like the ADL and from a Jewish blogger like me shows that you have no respect or decency on this issue.

    You say my “only objection” to his analogy between stem cell research and Nazi medical experiments is that it is an “infrigement…because it references a [sic] event [I] feel strongly about.” NO! First of all, I object to Dobson’s views on stem cell research. I object to his analogy because it is historically false and because it is manipulative and debases the memory of 6 million Jews murdered and those of other religions and nationalities killed as well. Other than that, Dobson’s comment was fine.

    “It’s [the Holocaust] not sacred.”

    Says who? Says you? Again you are offensive and ignorant. The memory of those murdered by the Nazis IS sacred to Jews. You must have a heart of stone and the empathy of an icicle not to understand this.

  4. You do make a good point re: whether the leading evangelicals would be willing to refuse treatment with stem cells. At least Christian Scientists (who have been known for shunning conventional medical treatment itself in favor of prayer healing) and Jehovah’s Witnesses (who refuse blood transfusions even in life-threatening situations), whom evangelicals revile, are willing to put their beliefs re: medical treatment into practice.

  5. I just wish Dobson, North and the rest of them would turn their righteous ire on some real-life examples of genocide occuring RIGHT NOW. Like Sudan. I’m not a big fan of Holocaust/Hitler invocations anyway (people have compared Bush to Hitler and that doesn’t seem quite right either.). Sometimes things are just bad on their own — no need to invoke past disasters.

    But these people’s logic is nonexistent. Shall we stop using electricity because it was used in electric chairs?

    But when you drop the H(olocaust)-bomb, you don’t have to prove your point, back it up with evidence, or have a discussion. You can just say “XYZ is as bad as the Holocaust!” and watch your minions do your bidding.

  6. I can’t believe I’d never heard of it (maybe because it’s bad luck to define it?). Anyway, this Wikipedia article is hilariously dense:

    Godwin’s law (also Godwin’s rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

    “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (i.e. certainty).”

    There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Godwin’s law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Many people understand Godwin’s law to mean this, although (as is clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original formulation.

    So can we agree that Dobson has lost whatever argument he was trying to make & should slink back in defeat fr. whatever lair he emerged??

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