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  1. ‘faux Muslim “reformer”’. ” odd NY Times column”. ” charged by a single Muslim woman”. “unsupported claims” that Ramadan supports female genital mutilation and stoning” . “Nomani commits a fatal error”.

    Richard. You seem at pains to discredit Nomani and defend this guy. Why?

    1. I read ” this guy’s” book ‘In the footsteps of the prophet’. It reminded me a lot of progressive Christians’ reading of the bible. When an unpleasant, intolerant reading of a certain passage in the scriptures at first sight seems evident (this happens in the ‘new testament’ as wel as in the ‘old testament’) context and alternatives in the translation are invoked to mitigate or explain what is written. In this way, the writers distance themselves from intolerant and violent views and explain and justify their own contemporary interpretations and positions. Progressive Jews do the same.
      What is absent in Ramadan’s writing, is what happens more an more nowadays in Christianity as far as I see it here where I live, and that is that ministers openly reject parts of what is written, instead of trying to soften the reading. That is a next step in unorthodoxy. I completely recognize what Ramadan is doing, and sympathize with it, although I am myself more of the next step in unorthodoxy. To say that he is a conservative or a wolf in sheep’s clothing is complete nonsense.

    2. @ Argonauts: Once again you misrepresent my views. I never said a word in defense of Tariq Ramadan. Nor did I comment on his accuser. In fact, I said the opposite of what you claim, making clear that none of us know the truth of the accusations.

      As for Nomani, I don’t have to discredit her. She discredits herself. I only point to her own actions, statements & affiliations and the reader does the rest.

      You keep trying for that ‘hasbara hit.’ Maybe you’ll get it one of these days. But not today.

      1. You misquote and misrepresent Nomani when you attribute to her, “..Ramadan supports female genital mutilation and stoning”.

        Nomani never said that.
        Nomani said that Ramadan “..accepts female genital mutilation and stoning”, and she links cites that enable the reader to decide himself whether Ramadan accepts genital mutilation and stoning.

        And BTW. Support and acceptance are two very different things.

        “None of us knows the truth of the accusations”.

        Richard. I don’t want to misrepresent your views. Are you saying that we don’t know whether Weisel, Wiesalter, Weinstein and Shavit are sexual predators? Or, are you saying that we just don’t know whether Tariq Ramadan is a sexual predator?

        And you minimize the charges against Ramadan when you say that Ramadan has been, “charged by a single Muslim woman”.

        When Weisel and Shavit were charged by a single woman you wrote two complete articles based on the charges by a single woman?

        I think a double standard is being applied

        1. I just read the accusation against Tariq Ramadan.The part where he says: “You didn’t know what a real man was like before. Well, now you do.” sounded like it came from a bad movie. But maybe he watches bad movies: I saw that a second (disabled) woman came forward…

        2. @ Zio-nauts:

          Nomani said that Ramadan “..accepts female genital mutilation and stoning”, and she links cites that enable the reader to decide himself whether Ramadan accepts genital mutilation and stoning.

          The links enable the reader to decide only one thing: that Nomani is a bald-faced liar. Essentially, Ramadan says in those links that the punishments exist in Islam and that they can’t be disappeared from the tradition. But he says that no one in their right mind would enforce them in today’s world. That means that he believes that any Muslim who does so is not in his right mind.

          BTW, you can explain to us how Biblical Judaism, which calls for stoning to death people who commit adultery or homosexual acts, is any different. In case you missed it, Judaism stopped such stonings many, many centuries ago. But can any rabbi honestly say the punishments don’t exist in Judaism? Of course not because they do.

          Ramadan has been charged by one woman who went public and by a second woman who is maintaining her anonymity. BTW, no other women have come forward nor have any come forward to corroborate their stories with contemporaneous accounts, which is one important way to demonstrate that charges that go back in time are credible. Further, the public accuser has associated herself with people like Nomani & others in France who hold Islamophobic views. That is not dispositive but does tend to show that the accusers may have more than simple personal justice in mind in bringing the accusations.

          I will not make any statement about Ramadan’s guilt or innocence till more information is known.

          I’d venture to say that Wiesel, just like George HW Bush, molested many more women than just Jenny Listman. Other victims are even more intimidated than Harvey Weinstein’s victims since Wiesel was a Nobel Prize winner and a saint as far as the mainstream Jewish community is concerned. If you level charges against a saint you could get burned–burned at the stake.

          As for Shavit, a number of women came forward to confirm the original charge against him with their own stories. Haaretz would not have sacked him unless they knew there would be a tsunami of claims if they didn’t.

          1. @Eli: you’ve once again wandered off topic. Tariq Ramadan is an Islamophobic red herring.

            Until last week there were no accusations or legal charges against Ramadan. And unlike other accused perpetrators, Ramadan has announced an intent to sue his only publuc accuser. Further, his accuser has more than enough political motivation to accuse him, perhaps falsely, since she’s fallen in with the Hirsi Ali-Asra Nomani-Zuhdi Nasser anti Muslim clique.

            Do not wander off topic in order to score Iskamophobic points. You are done In this thread.

          2. How is Ramadan off topic when the article has a whole passage about him?
            And since you wrote the article, more women came forward.

            The point wasn’t making a Muslim a sexual predator but to ask why would you rush to do so to Weisel bc of 1 allegation of ass grabbing.

          3. @ Eli: No, one other woman has come forward anonymously to claim Ramadan raped her. She has not filed charges against him.

            If Jenny Listman was your daughter or wife you would not call it “ass-grabbing.” You’d call it sexual assault. But it’s possible as an Israeli man you believe you have the right to do such things. So many Israeli men do.

            But no man has the right to lay his hand that part of a woman’s anatomy without permission. That’s assault. And anyone worshipped as a saint by Jews when he really had feet of clay deserves to be exposed.

  2. Thank you Richard for sharing part of the article by Hamid Dabashi, since Aljazeera site is blocked by the authority in Egypt.

  3. Richard, you and Deir Yassin asked me about the Dutch journalist and her experiences with Lanzmann, but I did not see the original post to which I reacted so I will answer here. Here are some links and some translations:

    This is the original column, that started out on a different but related matter.


    The part where she writes about Lanzmann:
    “Meanwhile people are asking if things are really that bad. Yes. It’s bad. I know because I experienced it. I was 29 and was going to interview Claude Lanzmann in Paris, the documentary maker who, through his phenomenal film Shoah (1985), was able to touch the essence of the Nazi extermination camps. A hero in other words, a great artist.
    The conversation took place at his place, he went into detail on each question. And while he was talking about Auschwitz and the way he accosted camp guards with a hidden camera, he was feeling me up. Politely fending off his hands, I half and half let him have his way. I knew my place. He was the big filmmaker, I was no one. In addition, I had to do that interview, returning with unfinished business was impossible. The interesting thing is that he nor me said anything about his behavior.
    When he was getting too scary, I got up and said I had to leave. He insisted on giving me a ride, and I even got into his car too. Why? I could’t say. Eventually I came to my senses and got out in front of a traffic light.
    I wrote the article and told no-one. I stayed silent out of respect for his art. Later I heard I was not the only one. That helped.”

    She was later interviewed by Jeroen Pauw. (She is the woman with the shorter, curly hair.)

    She says that while it happened she felt deeply embarrassed and intimidated, by his fame, by the difference in power, and by the fact that he was a very big man. She felt she could not just leave without finishing the interview. Although at first she stayed silent, after about a year, she started to heard gossip, there were rumours about him: “These men all think they can do it unnoticed, but that’s not the case. Women do talk about it among ourselves. I already heard things from others. I’ve talked about it sometimes, but always as a kind of joke. While in reality, it was really very scary.”

    She concludes that three journalists (so including her) from the same newspaper were all ‘pawed’ by Lanzmann.

    In second column Roodnat describes some of the reactions she got after her original column.

    “I felt that I could not stay out of it, and described in this paper how I was grabbed during an interview by the celebrated filmmaker Claude Lanzmann. I received messages from three colleagues (whom I did not know personally) that they also had had to deal with Lanzmann’s big hands and his massive body. And I received mail telling me that it was all my own fault. Several men thought it was a good idea to tell me about how they themselves had successfully fended off homosexual advances when they were young and accused me of lack of resilience. “I do not understand that you, an adult journalist, went with Lanzmann to his own house and even sat so close to him that he could feel you up.”

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