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  1. [Comment deleted: as comment rules clearly state, if you wish to call people by odious names your opinion alone is not just inadequate, it’s offensive, Unless you offer credible, persuasive proof/evidence of your claim. You haven’t.

    You have been put on notice.]

  2. @Richard

    You botched Herzl’s quote. You used a truncated quote version. The actual quote from Herzl’s June 12, 1895 diary entry, below is the complete text.

    “When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly … It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire world a wonderful example … Should there be many such immovable owners in individual areas [who would not sell their property to us], we shall simply leave them there and develop our commerce in the direction of other areas which belong to us.”

    Omitting the opening sentence, hides the fact that Herzl viewed Jewish settlement as beneficial to the indigenous population and that he did not conceive of the new Jewish entity as comprising any country in its entirety.
    Herzl wasn’t even writing about European Jews, but about indigenous South American Indians. Any discussion of relocation was clearly limited to the specific lands assigned to the Jews, rather than to the entire territory.

    What’s more, there was no trace of a belief in transfer in either Herzl’s famous political treatise, The Jewish State (1896), or his 1902 Zionist novel, Altneuland (Old-New Land). Nor for that matter is there any allusion to “transfer” in Herzl’s public writings, his private correspondence, his speeches, or his political and diplomatic discussions.

    1. @ Anya: I didn’t truncate anything. You have the link to the source I used. They truncated it. Nor is what you included the “complete text” since there are numerous ellipses in the text you provide.

      I did misunderstand the context of the quote, as you note. Thanks for correcting my error.

      But the notion that anything Herzl said would be “beneficial to the indigenous population” is utterly ridiculous. How is expelling them beneficial? And if he wished to expel only those indigenous peoples occupying lands Jews would assume control of, how is that different or better? And as for “transfer,” he’s talking here about expulsion of the indigenous inhabitants. Admittedly, he’s will to compensate them for their land. But he’s ultimately talking about forcing them to do so in order to have Jews take their place.

      This isn’t ground you should be defending. Its indefensible.

      1. Very defensible.

        Herzl is saying that the State, within which there would be a Jewish canton, would benefit.
        Poor, landless tenants living in the Jewish canton would be gently evicted, and ‘holdout’ land owners would be left alone.

        1. @ Anya: I told you you were done in the thread. Don’t ignore me next time. And take this very seriously.

          the State, within which there would be a Jewish canton, would benefit.

          Except for all the indigenous residents of the Jewish enclave who would be expelled “gently” [sic]. Benefit? Not so much. How do you evict someone “gently?” Just the way Israel did during Nakba?

  3. Hi Richard, an Israeli Jew questioned the authenticity of the Herzl quote here on your page. “We, the Jews, not only have degenerated and are located at the end of the path, we spoiled the blood of all the peoples of Europe … Jews are descended from a mixture of waste of all races.” I Googled it and found a few more sites quoting it, but nothing “authoritative.” Could you share the source of the quote, please? I want to be able to properly represent the issue.

    Thanks!

    Andre

  4. Sorry Richard, I just saw the link to the website with the quote. I wonder if it’s a bad translation since none of the Google Books or other documents report such a quote. However I found a quote from Max Nordau, the psychiatrist Herzl was sent to meet to talk about his “near-delusional obsession with the problem of antisemitism.”

    Quote: “Stunned by the hailstorm of anti-Semitic accusations, the Jews forget who they are and often imagine that they are really the physical and spiritual horrors which their deadly enemies represent them to be. I contemplate with horror the development of this new race of Marranos [a pejorative term referring to forced Jewish converts to Christianity in medieval Spain], which is sustained morally by no tradition, whose soul is poisoned by hostility to both its own and to strange blood, and whose self-respect is destroyed through the ever-present consciousness of a fundamental lie.”

    [Source: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/max-nordau/%5D

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