61 thoughts on “Israeli Ground Invasion of Gaza Imminent

  1. Daniel F. “remembers” IRA recruitment to make his point about targeting civilians. Israel has never hesitated to target civilians for the sole purpose of inflicting terror. Cast Lead was such an assault. Palestinians are defending themselves. If Israelis are “defending” themselves, why is all the fighting and ordnance in Gaza? I’d say Daniel F. just doesn’t like organizations aimed at opposing the imperialists. They should all just talk, eh? Talk like Oslo didn’t mean anything because it was dictated by power.

  2. I am appalled by Daniel F.’s remarks, no doubt heartfelt. Israel controls the entire show, now and at the time of Oslo. The thought that completely beggars my imagination is this: Having dictated Oslo, providing vague promises of a future Palestinian state in exchange for real Israeli gains in the present, having done this to eager Palestinians, Israel then disregarded every required substantive proposition at will, leaving only the hollow form. The settlements were a clear message that the promise of a Palestinian state was a big fat lie and even the most innocent and naive Palestinians could not fail to read the tea leaves. Daniel F., you can hope and pray til the cows come home — this is Israel’s doing from start to finish. That criminal state is liable and I personally will not let these liars and con men off the hook for an instant by being “objective” and dwelling on Palestinian failings. I am outraged that such mealy-mouthed stuff pretends to be constructive.

  3. Given the rift between Hamas and Assad, and therefore Iran, this action could have been designed to rebuild the anti-Israel alliance.

    Perhaps, given that if NATO were to summon the bottle to intervene in Syria, their Special Forces might even end up working with Hamas, it is designed to remind America that all Arabs are enemies, etc.

    I don’t think they will succeed in forcing a racist world view on the current White House (unless they claim that Arabs run BP or something), and they are going to have to face the fact that hundreds of millions of dollars did not buy them a racist White House.

    It may be, also, that Bibi wanted a thorough shakedown of the Iron Dome system before an attack on Iran provokes a ten-times-bigger rocket barrage from Hezbollah.

    I note that what the BBC called a “build up of heavy armour” on the border with Gaza, appeared to be nearly all bulldozers. This seems to be the IDF’s terror weapon of choice these days.

    PS.
    There are unintended consequences, too: A friend in Texas says that the barrage of anti-Obama hatred which Adelson and Rove churned out, with some help from Trump, has massively fueled the secessionist movement there, which was already far stronger than those outside the state seemed to appreciate. She doesn’t think this is going to result in a liberal, multi-cultural democracy between the rump USA and Mexico.

    It’s NOT a question of Anglo-Saxon versus Hispanic, because the rich white Texans driving this are almost all descendants of mid-nineteenth century German immigrants who arrived post-Alamo. They do not actually think along the kind of John Wayne movie lines which other Americans associate with Texans. Their mind-set is more like the Nambian ranchers who still fly the Imperial German flag outside their homes (even today, even after Independence and majority rule). What Adelson and Rove have done, is give them a free $200M or so’s worth of extreme propaganda, which is all the more useful because they can genuinely claim not to be its authors.

    1. Let’s hope Texas does secede. It would be a net savings for the “loyal” states. Even if that is wrong, it’s worth a price to get rid of Texas Kulture. (Doing some research on Texas Divorce law some years back, I discovered that slave laws were still on the books and that the “yield” of a slave was not the work performed but their children! Is that unbelievable! As I did not own any slaves, the law had no effect.) I know “off topic.” But interesting.

  4. and yet, in the midst of all this Sturm und Drang:
    [via Douglas McLennan’s artsjournal.com ,’Daniel Barenboim Founds Music Academy For The Middle East’]
    link to morgenpost.de

  5. U. Avnery & N. Finkelstein consider it more likely that Israel doesn’t intend a large scale ground invasion of the strip. Avnery believes that the Israeli military has learned the lesson of minimizing civilian casualties from Cast Lead:
    link to avnery-news.co.il
    (He also claims that Hamas’ initial attack on an Israeli jeep was an Israeli trap to start this whole affair.) Finkelstein thinks that pressure from Egypt & Turkey on the US will be preventive:

    1. I don’t see Avnery claiming that Hamas was responsible for the initial attack on the Israeli jeep in his article. And in fact, the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigade, the armed wing of the Popular Front claimed responsability for the attack (though others did so too, afterwards), and they stated that it was a response to the death of Ahmad Younis Abu Daqqa, the youngster playing football, killed in an air raid on Thursday. So maybe the thugs in the IDF killed that boy on purpose, knowing that some militants would react.

      1. You’re right that Avnery doesn’t specify Hamas as the culprit of the attack; he says it could have been them or some other group. But he’s apparently saying that the placing of the jeep in Palestinian line of fire may have been dangling candy in front of a kid.

        1. @ Moshfeq
          “…the placing of the jeep in Palestinian line of fire may have been dangling candy in front of a kid”
          What are you talking about ? The kid was killed in an air raid, in front of his own house, TWO DAYS prior to the shelling of the jeep. Are you trying to insinuate that Palestinian militants killed that boy ?

          1. “Like candy in front of a kid” is not meant literally. He means those 4 soldiers in the jeep were very conveniently in a time and place which made it easy for them to be attacked

          2. @ Mary
            Haha, thank you. I didn’t get that metaphor: the ‘Palestinians-using-their-own-kids-as-human-shields’ must have got on my nerves.
            So basically, Moshfeq – or rather Avnery – is saying that these soldiers were ‘sacrifized’ – I mean they could have been killed – in order to provoke a Palestinian shelling ?
            @ Moshfeq: if you’re still around: sorry for the misinterpretation of your comment.

          3. As Mary & you say below, “kid & candy” was a reference to whichever-Palestinian-group-shot-at-the-jeep & the jeep; it wasn’t about the murdered Palestinian kids. My original comment was to make a counterpoint to the main topic of the blog; astute observers of the scene, like Avnery & Finkelstein, don’t think Israel intends a large-scale invasion. Only as a side note I mentioned Avnery’s suggestion about the jeep b/c I hadn’t seen others making it. He thinks the Palestinians should have known better than to attack Israeli forces on the Israeli side of the border.

      2. It’s a little more than just “maybe.” Israel controlsl the whole show from start to finish, that’s what occupation and oppression is about. It is a show, a script, calculated to achieve a certain level of excitement (and no more!) and show Israel as tough, but fair and Netanyahu as a warrior as rough and tough as Barak. It is a circus.

        1. Correct. Even now, Israel’s Iron Shield defense has stopped only about 20 rockets, so I’ve read.

          Just as it did with Operation Cast Lead in 2008, Israel has performed provocative acts and reacts with drastic extreme retaliation. It has bombed 2 UNRWA schools so far, despite its ubiquitous claims that it only targets “terrorists.” It has bombed civilian homes and killed infants. Now the ground invasion is imminent.

          Israel will not act with common sense, and so it is useless to speculate that it is not going to mount a large land invasion. It has called up 75,000 reservists. The only bright side to this is that Bibi could be blowing his reelection by doing so.

          I spoke at length last night with one of my closest friends, who happens to be a Gazan. Imagine if you will, feeling like a condemned prisoner waiting for the executioner and praying for any reprieve; that is what it’s like to be in Gaza now. There are no bomb shelters (how could there be, with no materials with which to build them?), there is no way to escape what is coming. He is a young man, one of the luckier ones because he has 2 jobs when so many have no work at all. His university degree is useless; he has spoken many times of the life he lives, a life of extremes alternating between absolute terror and suffocating boredom. He said that all the people can do is endure, and endure.

          Once more, it became very clear to me that Israel doesn’t want peace, that Hamas is not the reason for all of this mayhem, and that the objective is ethnic cleansing, and perhaps genocide.

          1. Of course. The central theorem of Zionism is unambiguous. It calls for Jewish ethnic sovereignty over the whole of Palestine, meaning Jewish Zionist power over the lives (and deaths!) of any other people in the proclaimed arena. Like all ethnic nationalism, it is built on myths.

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  6. • RE: “The hasbarafia of UK Jewry has rallied to Israel’s defense, touting the IDF’s ‘Jewish ethical ethos.’ This is a moral abomination. Killing babies is neither Jewish nor ethical. Support this travesty if you wish. But not in the name of Judaism.” ~ Richard Silverstein

    • ONE (THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHERS) OF THE REASONS I BECAME INTERESTED IN THE ISRAEL/PALESTINE ISSUE:
    I remember one particular Six Day War joke that was told by a classmate of mine (not one of my friends, who were much less chauvinistic) during my senior year of high school here in Atlanta (the year following the Six Day War). Actually, to be more accurate, I only remember the gist of the joke at this point.
    As I recall it, there was a busload of Egyptian children somewhere in the Sinai. The punchline of the joke was that the mighty Israeli military virtually vaporized the entire bus full of Egyptian children. [Riotous laughter here, excepting me.] There wasn’t a single survivor! [Ha, ha, ha (excepting me) ! ! ! ]

    • P.S. Another reason I began studying the Israel/Palestine issue was because Israel’s actions/behavior seemed so very much unlike the actions/behavior of my Jewish friends. Consequently, I have spent decades trying to understand the incongruity.

  7. I find it very interesting and positive that in the current NYTimes article up on their site Jodi Rudoren is writing with a byline of Gaza City –

  8. Those agreements with Hamas have turned out to be in the past delusionary. If something happens later that was not to their liking, which is an almost-sure event given how fragile is the general situation, they immediately cry foul, claimed that the agreement was violated, demonstrations in Gaza called for scrapping it, and so on, and in no time it had become yet another worthless piece of paper, or, as headlines liked to call it “yet another ceasefire/truce has been broken” (as, for instance, is happening now weekly in Syria). Besides, last time around the proposed agreement by Hamas contained a long list of demands, including ones that related to the West-Bank too (where they have no jurisdiction but wish to appear as political patron at the expense of the PA). Well, to make a long story short, the salvation will not come from these “agreements” and something much more decisive and fundamental is needed here, namely a true change of attitude by Hamas towards Israel, which will enable a real truce and even beyond that – normal relations.

    1. @Tibor, can you provide an example of a time when Hamas has broken a truce?

      1. Mary, but that is exactly my point – they invariably claim that Israel is the one that violated it. Or, alternatively that it is not them but another organization done it. Take even the particular incident that provoked this last operation (and I am not claiming for a moment that it was just that one – it is of course always the accumulation of things for a long time that creates big explosions) namely, an antitank missile was fired at a military car patrolling within Israel and injured 4 soldiers. A claim was made by some that it was retaliation for a Palestinian baby that died earlier – but even if so is that an acceptable justification? After all, it in effect means that whenever they feel that it is justified, be it a prior incident, a false rumor, something not to their liking in the West-Bank, anything, they can shoot. This in turn means that all the Israeli people around that are in effect living hostages to the whims of Hamas or the Islamic Jihad or the Popular Committees etc. Just in the last week prior to the operation there mortars and no less than 100 missiles were shot into Israel. The key point is – and that you must accept – that Israel has no interest in a heated front there – so all that violence is seriously not something that it initiates or wishes to see happening.

        1. Rubbish. You are singing the same tired old tunes about Hamas, Hamas, Hamas but without putting up any substantiation for any of it. Your convoluted reasoning seems to suggest that because in your mind Israel didn’t violate any ceasefires, then it must have been Hamas although you can’t provide one single example of this. Oh, that inconveniently dead child isn’t an excuse to violate a truce? A murder of a civilian does not qualify as a war crime to you? Your ability to project blame is astounding, especially bearing in mind how Israel is well known for its excessive retaliation measures against any Palestinian recalcitrance, real or imagined.

          I hardly think that a population possessing the fourth largest military in the world lives at the whim of a small organization with smuggled and cobbled weapons. But this is all old stuff that has been argued in the past ad nauseum. It’s just as ridiculous now as ever to continue to try to place the perpetrator in the role of victim, so please don’t try this tactic with me. I asked you a question, and I expect that you will either be able to answer it or not.

          1. Tibor is repeating the nonsensical stuff about big bad Hamas. It suits Israel to say that it wants a solution, wants “peace”, but to deep six every actual possibility. Think of Arafat and the invasion of Lebanon. This is the same thing. If Israel gets close to actual meaningful discussions, Israel creates a cause to invade and punish someone. And there goes “peace.” Too bad, well they tried. In the meantime, they gobble up the West Bank and keep the Palestinians in virtual cages. Israel is one big lie on top of another. I cannot fathom how anyone of conscience would support and defend the State of Israel. It is a criminal conspiracy aimed at robbing other people of their property, their rights and their land.

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