20 thoughts on “Israel: Never Met a Genocidaire It Wouldn’t Do Business With – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. Good. I’m glad all of this is out on the table for the Israelis who read this blog because their [spoiler title=” “]country[/spoiler]
    check that, their army censorship board is too cowardly to let the citizenry of Israel know just where the weapons IMI Systems (Ta’as) and the IAI built are going to after they are sold…..and it turns out they are being sold to crazy regimes and insurgent forces that act as proxies for Israel! Truly should fill their hearts with pride, knowing Israel is pulling similar stunts to the ones Russia and the United States have been pulling for decades.

  2. Hi Richard,

    Please provide some proof that the Indian State of Kashmir and Jammu is illegally occupied by India.
    I searched the web, and I can find no proof of your claim.

    Please provide some proof to the claim that the Sri Lankan government engaged in genocide against the Tamils.
    Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch haven’t made claims of genocide. What’s your source?

    Richard, you’ve been claiming for some time that Israel had provided weapons and aid to the al Nusra terrorist organisation. Now that Foreign Policy magazine has exposed Israel’s support of Syrian rebels, where’s the proof that Israel supported al Nusra? According to Foreign Policy, Israel did aid some Syrian militias, but al Nusra isn’t named as having received Israeli weapons or aid, as you claim. So who’s right?.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/06/in-secret-program-israel-armed-and-funded-rebel-groups-in-southern-syria/

    1. @ Li Hing Lo: I repeat: I don’t do your homework for you. You do that BEFORE you post ill-informed, ill-researched comments.

      Here are some links declaring India’s occupation of Kashmir illegal:

      https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmir-illegally-occupied-by-India-JNU-professor-says-in-controversial-speech/articleshow/51329622.cms
      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/day-kashmir-marks-1947-indian-army-arrival-171027122649223.html
      https://www.mediamonitors.net/indias-occupation-of-kashmir-illegal/

      Furthermore, do not ever try to turn this into a challenge game in which you demand that I offer proof of my claims. If you believe my claims are wrong, you prove that they are with credible sources. I don’t need to prove my claims to you. And I don’t play this stupid game of…”now please prove this” or “prove that.”

      As for the Syrian rebels, who do you think they are? They are al Nusra of course, which is affiliated with al Qaeda (despite claims it has renounced such a connection). Any short Google search would prove this. Again, don’t waste my time. If I say Israel supports al Nusra it does. If you don’t believe it’s true then find a source that argues otherwise and try to prove me wrong. You won’t. But if you find a credible source countering what I’ve written, bring it on.

      Sources confirming Israeli aid and close coordination with al Nusra:

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/israel-squares-showdown-iran-syria-180212121132930.html
      https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-has-israel-embraced-al-qaidas-branch-syria/14619
      https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5038195,00.html

  3. I’m sorry. I thought that France, along with Egypt and South Africa, was the major arms supplier to the Rwandan government during the early 1990’s.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-gallimore/a-closer-look-at-where-rw_b_5135559.html

    I thought that most of the killings in Rwanda in 1994 were carried out with machetes and clubs during a 100 day period, thereby ruling out Israel as an accessory to genocide.

    Does author Linda Melvern state anywhere in her book, ‘Conspiracy to Murder’, that Israel supplied arms to Rwandan genocidaires. No she doesn’t.
    https://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Murder-Genocide-Linda-Melvern/dp/1859845886/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    1. @ Li Hing Lo: WHen you post a comment, read carefully what I’ve written and respond directly and precisely to that. If I say for example that Israel supported the Rwandan mass murderers, do not argue as if I claimed that Israel was the “major arms supplier” to them. Because I didn’t say that. So deal with what I write, not what you’d prefer me to have written.

      As for the methods of mass murder: yes, many killers used what was at hand. But the machete-wielders were backed by the soldiers with Israeli weapons. Without this “muscle” the machete wielders would have themselves been overwhelmed and massacred.

      As for Linda Melvern, I have no idea who she is nor why I need to respond to the fact that she allegedly doesn’t mention Israel in her book about Rwanda. I have never heard of her. So whether she considered a credible scholar or authority on the subject, I have no idea. But I have read numerous articles in Haaretz, 972 Magazine and elsewhere which provide clear and compelling evidence of Israeli arms trade, military training & overall culpability for the genocide:

      https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-israeli-guns-in-the-rwanda-genocide-1.5355564
      https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/did-israel-arm-rwanda-during-1994-genocide-518122380
      https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/172000/afr020141995en.pdf

      1. Firstly, The Jerusalem Post article you cite DOES NOT SAY that Israel provided weapons and ammo to al Nusra.
        It simply doesn’t say that.

        Second. The conclusory claims of one ‘researcher’ and one university professor, doesn’t come close to proving that the Indian States of Jammu and Kashmir are ‘illegally’ occupied. Sorry.

        Lastly, and most important, the Amnesty report states that, “Reports of secret arms flights to the exiled former FAR and Interahamwe via Goma [Zaire] airport date back to July 1994.”

        This means that the Israeli arms, probably shipped by unscrupulous arms dealers, and not the State of Israel, were sold to the Rwandan Army AFTER they were defeated in the field by Tutsi rebels and exiled from Rwanda to Zaire.

        This means that no Israeli weapons were ever used to commit the genocide of April-July, 1994.

        Still waiting to hear back on those Tamil genocide claims.

        1. @ Li Hing Lo: The sources I offered (and there were many others, I chose to list only three) confirm that Israel provided weapons to al Nusra. I don’t care what the Post does or doesn’t say. The other sources do confirm it and they are only two of many other possible sources to offer.

          As for Kashmir, you didn’t ask me to prove to your satisfaction that India occupies Kashmir (a challenge I’d reject anyway). You only asked me to provide sources which claim this, which I did. My job isn’t to make you happy or satisfy you. It’s to be clear and accurate and tell the truth.

          Regarding Rwanda, I don’t care how you are interpreting one of the many sources I offered. You’ve conveniently omitted the others because you know they do prove that the Israeli government officially supported the genocidaires. Of course, Israel supported Kagame too and continues to do so, despite his having become a genocidaire himself.

          This means that no Israeli weapons were ever used to commit the genocide of April-July, 1994.

          It means nothing of the sort.

          You are rapidly becoming insufferable. Do not make claims you cannot support with credible sources. Do not use a single source and ignore other inconvenient sources which contradict you. You are arguing in bad faith, which is characteristic of hasbaroids.

          And as for Sir Lanka, you don’t speak on behalf of human rights NGOs as to what they believe. If you have evidence that Amnesty & HRW do not believe Sri Lanka committed genocide, then offer it with credible sources. Your word is not a credible source. Here are numerous sources which say it was genocide (which it clearly was):

          https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwxz4m/death-of-a-tiger-0000710-v22n8
          http://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/sri-lanka
          https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/11/04/sri_lankas_hidden_genocide.html
          https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/very-fair-to-say-sl-army-committed-genocide-former-un-staffer/articleshow/62673044.cms

          I can feel your time rapidly coming to a close here. Make sure to keep your ticket to Ben GUrion with you so you have it when you need it.

          Do not comment further in this thread.

          1. I do believe Israel had been involved with government it really shouldn’t have. I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the nuclear dealing with South Africa.

            But… You really didn’t answer to Li about Kashmir. You wrote the ruling of India there is illegal. Period. No question marks. But at most it is contested (or you may choose another word). There is no one UN condemnation of India.

            Maybe Israel sales to Spain should join the list because of Catalans or the Philippines because of the Muslims in the south island.

          2. @ Yoni: Isn’t it an interesting coincidence that settlers and their fellow travelers refuse to say the West Bank is “occupied,” but rather call it “contested.” As if the world understands there are two parties with an equal claim to the territory–which there aren’t. India occupied Kashmir. No one in the world recognizes Kashmir as Indian.

            As for Israeli arms sales to the Philippines, didn’t you bother to read the post? That was part of my post. Do NOT write a comment here without reading the entire post and all of the links in it. Doing this will eliminate embarrassment for you (if it’s possible for you to be embarrassed).

            Do not comment further in this thread.

  4. Great, great article. Hope this gets republished a few times.

    Yossi Cohen clearly believes also that creating a whirlpool of instability around Israel serves Israel. In many ways, it does. But the instability doesn’t only create opportunities for Israel. Israel can destabilize, but it matters more who fixes it. So, the policy justification is weak. The demonstrated evidence shows that Israel’s destabilizing actions have concluded in backfire and benefit to Israel’s opponents nearly every time.

    Israel complains at the same of Iranian presence in Syria. What/who provided the Iranians pretext to be in Syria and have to engage militarily on whatever level in that theater? Israel and its destabilizing strategy. Israel went to destabilize Syria; Iran came in and stabilized it.

    Finally, and most aggravating to me personally, is how there is zero concern for blow-back against Jews worldwide here based on Israel’s sinister actions pretty much everywhere.

    1. Israel destabilized Syria???
      I guess it also destabilized Algeria, Egyptand Libya during the Arab Spring.

      Richard writes – “constant invasions, assassinations, air assaults and repeated military operations outside its own borders” – but I really have hard time figuring out to what he refers. Last big operation outside of the borders was 2nd Lebanon war in 2006.

      1. @ Yoni: Israel generally meddles in the affairs of frontline states like Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, etc. It only meddles in the affairs of other Arab states if they’re directly involved in activities perceived to threaten Israel. So no need to intervene in Algeria, etc. since it’s not a threat. But Israel has intervened in Egypt contrary to your claim. But not to support the democratic forces, but to support the military murderers who it prefers to rule. Similarly it did destabilize Libya, again contrary to your claim, by supporting another military murderer, Gen. Haftar.

        As for Israeli assaults, what do you call Gaza? Part of Israel? If so, thanks for acknowledging Israel occupies Gaza. Most hasbaroids try to avoid this admission like the plague. Israel routinely pummels Gaza and has done so multiple times in the past few years. Israel also routinely participates in attacks against Islamist rebels in Sinai on behalf of the junta killers who rule there. Israel intervention inside Syria is a massive undertaking as well involving hundreds of air sorties, assassinations, military patrols inside Syria, supplying al Nusra fighters there.

        Yoni: face it. You’re not up to this. Please tell Hasbara Central that we require a suitable adversary in the comment threads. Don’t send a [hasba]boy to do a man’s job (sorry for the unspoken misogyny in that phrase).

        1. [comment deleted: comments must contain a cogent argument and be directly related to the subject of the post. Yours wasn’t.]

        2. Didn’t you claim lately that the fence between Gaza and Israel isn’t a border at all?
          And deleting messages is an infantile way to deal with arguments you can’t answer.

          1. Do you Yoni claim that the walls and fences between Israel and West Bank are not a border, but the Gaza fence is? Do you claim that the walls and fence between Poland and Warsaw Ghetto were not a border, but the Gaza fence is? Is Yoni the fence around Synagogue in Helsinki a border or only a fence?

          2. @ Yoni: Listen closely. My patience is wearing thin. I make editorial decisions. Not you. If you don’t like my decisions, go elsewhere. If you complain about my editorial decisions that will make your stay here that much shorter. I don’t delete your comments because I can’t answer them. I delete them because I have clearly written comment rules and they state that a comment must have a point, an argument, something substantive about it. If you rail or snark or offer your own unsupported opinion, that violates the rules & will get your comment deleted. Follow the rules and that won’t happen to you.

            I have no idea what the Gaza fence has to do with anything. Another good idea is to place into context whatever you’re trying to say. Relate it in some way to whatever your point is. Otherwise, no one can follow what you’re saying.

            I told you not to comment further in this thread. You did. Therefore you are moderated. Only future comments respecting the rules will be published.

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