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  1. @ Richard
    Based on the above, what are the chances that you have a source, and that source wasn’t found already by the NSA and unit 8200 ? it is safe to assume that after your expose’s you became a target. It seems that no one has to hack to your accounts rather your information is being delivered to 8200.

        1. @ H. Mor: In fact, I suspect that Yossi Melman’s Post article to which I’ve linked in this post may come from the same source as mine. You’ve also discounted that the “deep source” for the FIVE EYES aspect of this story may be in the intelligence community itself. So if you’re claiming that Israeli intelligence should arrest one of its own, good luck to ya. Ain’t gonna happen. These guys leak what they want & need. It’s my job to sift through it & separate wheat from chaff. That’s why when I report something from such sources I add doubting or skeptical responses from other journalists, analysts or sources.

          In short, my source gets information himself from many sources which he passes on to me.

          1. @ Richard
            “So if you’re claiming that Israeli intelligence should arrest one of its own, good luck to ya.”

            Isn’t that exactly what Israel did in the case of Ben Zigyer ? the current prisoner X, Y & Z and Yehuda Gil ?
            And these are the ones who’s name’s were published, there were others. Your claim doesn’t hold water.

            Regardless of who your source is, if he/r was to deliver any substantial information he/she would have been arrested after you broke your first story. The fact that your source is still free means one thing only, the information he/she provides is either a figment of his/her imagination or comes directly from the system.

          2. Of course it comes from the system. These are leaks from security sources offered for a variety of reason, some kosher some less so.

            Zygier has nothing to do with what my source & his sources are doing.

  2. AMDOCS Richard. Nothing needed to be put in writing. All the major phone carriers use the Israeli company AMDOCS to outsource their billing records to. Been going on for YEARS.

    PS the Colorado rep for AMDOCS here is also in charge of the Israeli mafia locksmith call center there.

    Connections Richard. Connections.

  3. I think what you are seeing is technology running way ahead of the legal system’s capacity to understand or legislate. Its affecting a wide range of areas, noteably copyrighting, where the legal system is largely out of date.

    The NSA data collection is equally way ahead of its processing capabilities and I would guess they are hoping the Israelis will find something of value that they missed. Everyone is limited in what they can do with so much data and must be setting priorities.

    BTW AMDOCS sell billing software they don’t process phone calls or have access to client data. Phone companies don’t provide that info without a warrant.

  4. You have to wonder what the point of all this data collection is. It’s certainly not to protect the average citizen from being blown up. That would be a massive over reaction to the level of risk posed by terrorism. The risk of being blown up by a terrorist is one in 20 million. The risk of dying in a car accident of 1 in 19,000; drowning in a bathtub at 1 in 800,000; dying in a building fire at 1 in 99,000; or being struck by lightning at 1 in 5,500,000. In other words, in the last five years you were four times more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist.

    So the natural question is why invest trillions of dollars in setting up such a system?

    I really think some somethings are better off unknown, what would a oppressive leader like Stalin or Hitler do with such a system? Their is a fine line between protecting your interests and nation, and setting up a system that will consume you whole in the unpredictable future. Theses things tend to have a life of their own, and end up like Frankenstein’s monster.

  5. RE: “Since much of the shared intelligence is unfiltered, it’s entirely possible the NSA is giving Israel communications between U.S. officials. Can you imagine what a gold mine this is?” ~ R.S.

    FOR THE UNIMAGINATIVE: “Russ Tice, Bush-Era Whistleblower, Claims NSA Ordered Wiretap Of Barack Obama In 2004”, By Nick Wing, The Huffington Post, 6/20/2013

    [EXCERPTS]Russ Tice, a former intelligence analyst who in 2005 blew the whistle on what he alleged was massive unconstitutional domestic spying across multiple agencies, claimed Wednesday that the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama in 2004.</b?
    Speaking on "The Boiling Frogs Show," Tice claimed the intelligence community had ordered surveillance on a wide range of groups and individuals, including high-ranking military officials, lawmakers and diplomats. . .
    . . . Host Sibel Edmonds and Tice both raised concerns that such alleged monitoring of subjects, unbeknownst to them, could provide the intelligence agencies with huge power to blackmail their targets.
    "I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on," Tice said. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/russ-tice-nsa-obama_n_3473538.html

    1. P.S. LISTEN TO: “Boiling Frogs Blockbuster: NSA Whistleblower Russell Tice Reveals that Obama, Many Top Officials Were Targets of NSA Surveillance”, by Peter B. Collins & Sibel Edmonds, 6/19/13

      [EXCERPTS] Enraged by the lies and spin offered in response to recent disclosures of massive domestic spying, former NSA official Russell Tice blows his whistle again in this exclusive Boiling Frogs interview, co-hosted with Sibel Edmonds. Please share this podcast widely, and download it to ensure that it doesn’t somehow disappear. Tice makes numerous stunning disclosures in this interview, partly in reaction to the misleading statements from Obama, NSA chief Alexander, FBI boss Mueller and Congressional leaders who defend the programs that were confirmed by the recent leaks from Ed Snowden.
      Tice is deeply concerned that his former agency has gone “rogue”, that Gen. Keith Alexander wields the power to blackmail as J. Edgar Hoover once did, and that hundreds of key people in government, the courts, business and political activism have been targeted for wiretapping and other surveillance. He names names.
      He responds to the unsigned FISA Court ruling against Yahoo that dismissed 4th amendment issues and asserted that there have been no abuses. Tice knows of real abuses, and tells quite a bit.
      We talk about cyberwarfare, and the NSA’s ability to originate cyber attacks but make it look like they came from China or Iran. . .
      . . . Tice explains in detail how the National Security Agency targets, sucks-in, stores and analyzes illegally obtained content from the masses in the United States. He contradicts officials and the mainstream media on the status of the NSA’s Utah facility, which is already operating and “On-Line.” He reveals the NSA as a Deep State that targets and wiretaps US political candidates for its own purposes.

      SOURCE – http://www.peterbcollins.com/2013/07/15/nsa-whistleblower-russell-tice-offers-more-details-sen-feinstein-and-others-were-wiretapped-by-nsa/

      AUDIO OF ENTIRE INTERVIEW (1 Hour, 23 minutes) – http://boilingfrogspost.com/wp-content/uploads/BF.0112.Tice_20130617.mp3

    2. P.P.S. ALSO LISTEN TO: “NSA Whistleblower Russell Tice Offers More Details: Sen. Feinstein and Others Were Wiretapped by NSA”, by Peter B. Collins, 7/15/13

      [EXCERPT] In our interview in June, NSA Whistleblower Russell Tice told Sibel Edmonds and PBC flatly that Senate Intelligence Chair Dianne Feinstein was one of many targets of NSA surveillance, using wiretapping and other methods. Big Question: does Feinstein know this, or has NSA kept it secret even from its highest-ranking oversight official?We kept this interview brief, and to the point: Is Sen. Feinstein unaware that NSA targets top elected leaders, including herself? If she is aware, does she support domestic surveillance programs because she is compromised by blackmail or other leverage? And even if she is not compromised, does she see the potential for abuse by a rogue NSA? . . .

      SOURCE & 20 MINUTE AUDIOhttp://www.peterbcollins.com/2013/07/15/nsa-whistleblower-russell-tice-offers-more-details-sen-feinstein-and-others-were-wiretapped-by-nsa/

  6. There are several aspects that make this piece of news particularly disturbing:

    1. Israeli intelligence services have, because of this amount of information sharing, an incredible amount of power at their fingertips with just a risible amount of quid pro quo. Being a European citizen, my data is surely available to them. NSA may feel no qualms about sharing my info with them, but I gather that it is tantamount to treason when they share the communication of US citizen and officials alike with Israeli agents.

    2. Even more frightening is that the news were virtually not shared at all by major US newspapers and new sites. The exception seems to be the Washington Post, hiding it somewhere in their online tech section. I am not sure what that says about the distribution of power vis a vis intelligence services and/or the Israel Lobby in the US, but it portends very ominous omens about the degree of US self-determination in foreign affairs that may touch on Israeli interests.

    3. Maybe it is advantageous that few people have been made aware of this situation, because I suspect that it might lead to increased enmity towards Israel which is inexorably rising anyway. Here in Europe the amount of rejection of Israeli policies and behavior, especially with regards to the Palestinians, has risen to such an extent that many opinions border on antisemitism. This is just another stone in the wall for making these opinions become mainstream, again.

    4. It is quite remarkable that the ways in which Israeli governments pursue their strategy of survival and hegemony are often directly responsible for the rising level of antagonism it encounters and its rapidly eroding support.

    5. As a US citizen, I would really start to question to what extent the foreign policies of the, currently, preeminent military and economic global power are truly independent of the whims and wishes of a nation with less inhabitants than New York City.

  7. I wouldn’t put it past the US to have uncovered massive Israeli spying on the US and ex post facto come up with a letter like this. ‘Retroactive immunity’

    I can’t help to think of all the Israeli Lobby enthusiasts in Congress/’Homeland Security’/Cheney Whitehouse that were more than happy to open the vault for Israel

  8. IF true, and the information/data shared by the NSA with the state of Israel is in its raw format, then indeed ir does contain information from US-citizens, BUT also information of non-US-citizens, as… according to the relevant US-law, Americans can not have their phones tapped without warrant, the NSA is listening in, and collecting data only (ahem) from sources that come from outside the USA, thus from sources that have contact with Americans.
    This means that also information/data of non-US-citizens like you and me is forwarded/given to the state of Israel……… and that such information thus is not needed for the protection of and safeguarding the safety of US-citizens…..
    Why forward/deliver the recorded info/data to Israel when this info/data is including non-US-citizens info/data?

    The lastest Snowden leak yesterday exposes the backdoor (actually the front door with a red carpet) given to Israel by the NSA – where the NSA has given Israel everything it needs to now spy on private American citizens – but it gets worse – Israel is saying it’s coming after those in the BDS movement

    As now as the Apartheid Israeli state becomes more and more unstable, it’s also becoming more and more aggressive about going after American citizens involved with the BDS movement (see Haaretz link). So our NSA is ENABLING this extremist government in going after American citizens critical of Israeli Apartheid. wow

    ‘And consider the implications of this. Two years ago, the Israeli press reported that it would start monitoring Western groups for what it considers attempts to delegitimize Israel.
    The new Israeli Military Intelliegence (MI) unit will monitor Western groups involved in boycotting Israel, divesting from it or imposing sanctions on it. The unit will also collect information about groups that attempt to bring war crime or other charges against high-ranking Israeli officials, and examine possible links between such organizations and terror groups.’

    – See more at: http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/09/12/israel-information-sharing-raises-questions-about-efficacy-of-nsas-minimization-procedures/#sthash.tIzfXyCq.dpuf


  10. This is not a case of technology getting ahead of ANYTHING: it is a case of a refusal by USA to say “NO!!!!” to an entirely improper request by AIPAC (or Israel) (or their friends).

    Just as Americans may not (legally) torture, and so GoUSA sent/sends torture-intended-victims off to other countries to be tortured, so, too, USA may not legally listen to all these calls, but sends the info off to Israel which wants to listen to it. SORT OF AN ECHO of the 9/11 stories about Israel having warning of the destructon of the WTC buildings. You know, because an Israeli company (private public cooperation is SUCH a good thing) was running all the cell-phone traffic at the time — or whatever the story was.

    1. The latest revelation lends credibility indeed to Israeli involvement in 9/11, etc. Now, we can say with some credibility “Why not?”. If this breach of privacy of American citizens doesn’t provide impetus for a groundswell of anti-Israel feeling in this country, then nothing short of firing squads in NYC will do it. The only question now is how do Americans get Israel out of America, what will it take. How do we shut down AIPAC or force it to register as a foreign lobby?

  11. Why Israel is different and needs to be singled out with this expose of NSA – the Brits aren’t running Jonathan Pollards and Larry Rosens against us

    ‘The sharing of raw intercepts with Israel is particularly notable because U.S. officials say Israel aggressively seeks to spy on the U.S. government, unlike Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, allies who are part of a long-standing agreement to share signals intelligence with the United States’


    1. Are we really to believe that the UK (or Britain), Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other countries are not spying on the USA? Or vice versa?
      When I hear that the dutch minister of foreign affairs (the equivalent of the American Secretary of State) was forced to ask his American counterpart to give him and the dutch intelligence services the information on about proof of Assad having given the order to use chemical weapons, and that the US has not shared the info with any(!) NATO-allies/partners freely and willingly no other then on demand and request by the HQ of NATO in Brussels, then I seriously doubt any information from NSA is shared with the countries you name!
      The fact that Israel is given the info by the NSA says enough on who created, developed and is monitoring the NSA, and I do not think it is the American administration for the full 100%!

      But the, that’s just my opinion…………………………………………………

  12. Is it too much to think that this MOU was extorted from the US and not, in fact, freely made? I know it’s a wild leap in the direction that Israel controls America, but suppose that this is real back story? The absence of enforcement stipulations, the dependence on good will, etc. suggest just such an interpretation. The NSA lawyers are not stupid, after all.

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