29 thoughts on “Israeli Pop Star Joins Im Tirtzu, Accusing Peace Activists of ‘Knifing’ Israel in Back – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. Amir Benayoun is well known and liked in Israel. Drug use, even amongst soldiers, is not uncommon and is well documented. Jews from Arab countries are typically Zionistic and right-wing, even if they are not observant.

    1. Amir Benayoun is well known and liked in Israel.

      For all I know Torquemada, Savanarola & various other right wing religious fanatics might’ve been jolly old fellas and talented to boot. That’s not what this post is about. I know many Mizrahi Jews who are not right wing.

      1. I know many Mizrahi Jews who are not right wing.
        About fanaticism, I understand your comments. However, the voting base of the Likud was, and is Mizrahi. “Right-winged-ness” in Israel is often associated with traditionalism/Mizrahi.

    2. None of the Jews I knew while living in or visiting Arab countries was either Zionist nor right wing, and some of them were hotly anti-Zionist because of the effects that Zionism had had on their lives and the life of their community. Almost none of the Arab Jews I know now is Zionist or right wing. On the contrary, many of them identify as ethnically Arab and religiously Jewish.

      1. What you’re saying is true, but in Israel the situation is reversed. In my opinion, the destruction of the Jewish Arab communities is a far greater tragedy than that of the Palestinians, for two reasons:

        1. The Palestinians still have their pride and sense of belonging, the Arab Jews, at least in Israel, were forced to deny their heritage and culture (because it was too Arab).

        2. The Arab Jews were made to believe that they share a destiny with the Ashkenazi Jews who actually were the main force behind their catastrophe. The Palestinians, at least know who their enemy is.

        The Arab Jews were betrayed by both the Zionists and by their “host” Arab societies (when they were kicked out). The Palestinians similarly were mostly betrayed by Arab societies who in reality outside of “rage” don’t do too much for their sake.

        1. Yossi, are you serious?

          You’re a perfect illustration of the mentality prevalent in Israel. It’s about Jews, always Jews, never about Palestinians.

          And you fail in your history lessons too. The reason the Palestinians were “mostly betrayed by Arab societies” is because of the power of Israeli and western hegemony. This was put into place to protect the “Jewish state” from those nasty Arabs. The US pays big bucks to Arab dictators to sit on their hands while the Palestinian people are ethnically cleansed from their homeland. The $3 billion a year the US gives to Israel, and the rabid nature of Israeli aggression against its neighbors, is also a big consideration.

          Claiming that Arab Jews are worse off than the Palestinians is an outrageous falsehood.

          1. Mary: I think you’re being overhasty in yr denunciation of Yossi. I don’t think he disparaged Palestinians in any way I could detect. I don’t know that I would say Mizrahi Jews are WORSE OFF than Palestinians, but there is no doubt whatsoever that the former have suffered greatly esp. since they came to Israel. And I don’t think Yossi meant to speak of physical suffering. He was talking about destruction of culture & ethnic identity for both groups.

          2. Richard,

            Exactly what I meant to say. Thanks for clarifying on my behalf.

            And you’ve put it in much more polite words than the ones I planned on using had I replied to that person directly.

          3. Sometimes I want to say to commenters, esp. ones who fundamentally agree with ea. other on the major issues, that they should take the equivalent of a chill pill. The enemy is on the other side, not within.

          4. It is merely my opinion, Richard. Arab Jews and Palestinians are apples and oranges. Arab Jews haven’t lived under occupation for 62 years and don’t live in refugee camps. Maybe I’m just being oversensitive.

            Yossi, I wasn’t rude to you; I didn’t call you any names or insult you. You could have challenged my comment and I don’t see any reason why you would want to be impolite. I’m sorry you feel that way.

      2. many of them identify as ethnically Arab
        I’m not sure who you are associating with (non-sarcastically), but most, if not all of the Mizrachi Jews I have met in Israel and in the US were quite far to the right and would attack you if you put them in the same category as Arabs. Perhaps one thing that they have in common are some of the food dishes!

  2. When it comes to the great lamentations of soldiers over the centuries, “I haven’t seen my mother in a month” isn’t going to make the top ten thousand.

    1. “I haven’t seen my mother in a month
      neither my son nor my house nor my wife”

      I too was struck by this line, especially after reading in Haaretz of a Palestinian man who just finished serving a 9 year sentence in an Israeli prison:


      Israel deports West Bank Palestinian to Gaza upon release from prison

    2. When it comes to the great lamentations
      I find that comment to be inconsiderate coming from a supposed peace-nick. Have you ever been a soldier? If you were in that position, would you fare better?

  3. Your point that “peace activists” have served in the military while Amir Benayoun did not, is a non sequitur. Benedict Arnold served in the Continental Army while Benjamin Franklin did not. Was Benedict Arnold a patriot merely because he served? Was Benjamin Franklin any less a patriot because he did not serve?

    1. Yes, but Ben Franklin didn’t attack those who served in the Revolutionary Army for being traitors to their country. If he had, I’d have written virtually the same thing about him. But the pt is he wouldn’t have done anything so stupid as Benayoun has done.

  4. While Benayoun’s piece indeed makes me reach for the anti-nausea pills, I don’t quite get the point about the army service. What does that have to do with whether someone is a decent fellow, or whether someone has the right to criticize either the army or its detractors?

    A month ago Haaretz reported about two soldiers being tried for using Gaza children as human shields during Cast Lead: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1158678.html

    “I feel hurt and betrayed. It’s a shame it even got to this point. The government needs to understand who works for it and who works against it,” said one of the soldiers. “I was working for the government, and it stabbed a knife in my back.

    (Heh – we Germans know a thing about our glorious army being stabbed in the back by those perfidious Jews.)
    Does this soldier have a better point than Benayoun, just because he has served? OTOH, are the testimonies of Shovrim Shtika valuable only because they come from soldiers and not because those soldiers are first-hand witnesses?

    1. Well, if he was joking it was a bad joke. Because that bastard has done & written some pretty horrible things. It wouldn’t have surprised me in the least if he’d had a hand in writing the lyrics.

      1. I’m sorry Richard, I don’t understand your reply (“Ha-mavin yavin”). Who exactly is the enemy to which you refer?

          1. Richard, that’s a pompous response to a legitimate question and an unfortunate tactic for someone who is USUALLY a decent arbitrator on this list.

          2. If it was a question that interested me in the least I would’ve answered it. I know provocation when I see it. In fact, I can see it from miles away. Legitimate questions get answered. One’s asked by those who wish to trip me up or catch me out or score points or grandstand are treated in the manner they deserve.

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