10 thoughts on “Palestinian Militants Kidnap Second Israeli; Hamas and Fatah to Form National Unity Government – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. What, no condemnation of kidnapping innocent civilians? Even to put the veneer of objectivity onto your blog? I’m disappointed. Can the Palestinians do ANYTHING wrong in your opinion?

  2. Can the Palestinians do ANYTHING wrong in your opinion?

    Oh please! I’ll make a deal with you: show me the first thing you write that’s either sympathetic to the Palestinians or critical of Israeli policy toward them, then we’ll talk.

    I’ve already told you this & won’t repeat it again. This blog is full of criticism & condemnation of Palestinian actions. I criticized the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit here or didn’t you bother to read that?

    You’re ridiculous & instead of explaining myself to someone who stopped thinking rationally about this subject round about the 2nd grade (or was it in your mama’s womb?), I’ll stop wasting my energy & thought on your drivel.

  3. A rational adult would have reacted to my comment this way: please see this and this example where I have criticized the Palestinians.

    You did not do this, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt and read your archives to see if you really did criticize the kidnapping of Gilad. Your only criticism of the act was a criticism of the TIMING of the occurence, not the act itself. If I am wrong, provide me with an example.

    You then went on to completely lose your head and attack me personally. I have to admit that you are right, in that I did not think rationally about the Israeli/Arab conflict when I was in my mother’s womb, and later in second grade – I think I probably thought boys were yucky at that age, but that’s as close as it gets.

    I have to come here more often – it really is so easy to get you to go off the deep end!

  4. Wow, Richard. You just get sharper all the time. Nice job dispensing with Regev.

    Your critic seems to be grasping at straws here. I would actually value a clear, articulate pro-Israeli-military point of view – as I’m sure you would. It’s always good to see things from other perspectives. But I don’t find an attempt to defend Israeli’s tactics in her comments – or, for that matter, any substantive response at all to your post. Instead, she accuses you of not being objective.

    Since when are blogs objective? You want objective, go read the mainstream media.

    Obviously you’re sympathetic to the basic human and national rights of the Palestinan people, Richard – but that does not make you an uncritical supporter of all Palestinian actions. She needs you to hyperlink all your posts criticizing terrorism? Really, dear, read the blog.

    Anyhow… there is something heroic about Israel’s determination to protect its citizens, to bring Shalit back alive even if it needs to go to extremes. This has been a part of Israel’s ethos from the beginning, and one can’t help but admire it in part.

    The sad accompanying irony, though, is how little regard Israel seems to have for non-Jewish lives. Power and food shortages cuased by the Gaza iincursion are sure to result in child deaths; and, if things go as they have in the past, the ground attack will cause numerous civilian casualties.

    Do Palestinian children deserve to die for Shalit to live? If, indeed, Israel’s actions do result in his release – which you are right to quesiton.

  5. The war against Palestine is ongoing and endless. Governments in the West with few exceptions back the USA’s uncritical stance, and their media follows. A recent BBC poll found that 80%+ of people in Britain thought that the Palestinians had invaded (or were trying to take over) Israel!

    Such is the influence of hard-core Zionism, that nothing is taught of recent middle-eastern history, even in schools which now have the fall of communism in their curriculum. If it were not for single-minded and passionate individuals keeping these issues prominent, pointing out the hypocrisy and the facts, they would be swept under the carpet, Palestine would be swept off the map, and the majority of the remaining Palestinian population extinguished without a murmur.

  6. A rational adult would have reacted to my comment this way:

    Spare me the petty moralizing. I don’t need yr schooling in how to be a “rational adult.” Nor do I need to take time fr. my efforts to write original posts on the latest developments in this heinous affair to go back over my old posts to prove to you something you’ll never accept anyway (i.e. that I criticize both sides of the conflict). And btw, you asked me whether I EVER criticize Palestinians, not just whether I’ve criticized them in this case. The answer is that I’ve criticized them in this case & previously. If you look up the phrase “both sides never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity” you’ll find it referenced several times. That means that I criticize Israel AND the Palestinians.

    I wrote this in criticism of Hamas’ involvement in the kidnapping in which I wrote that when it attacked an Israeli outpost on Israeli territory it violated the terms of the Prisoner’s Document which it was about to sign:

    It is only too easy to argue that a political movement whose military wing refuses to honor the terms of an agreement which it’s supposedly about to sign, is untrustworthy at best

    And one of my commenters took me to task for calling the outpost attack a “terror” operation (guess you missed my use of that term to describe a Palestinian militant attack, now didn’t you?). Here is part of my reply:

    I do think the purpose of this act was to throw a bomb into the works involving both Hamas & Fatah & the Israeli government. It’s designed to foment chaos since the Syria-based rejectionists thrive on chaos & are weakened by hope or stability.

    That’s why I chose the word ‘terror’ since that’s often the purpose of real terror attacks. You could call it an act of resistance for the reasons you enumerate, but since its ultimate purpose seems to be less resisting the Occupation than throwing sand in the face of Hamas, Fatah & Israel–it’s too cynical an act to be a legitimate act of resistance.

    And in last night’s post on the murder of Eliyahu Osheri, I wrote:

    To some Palestinians, there might be some modicum of sense in this killing since Osheri hailed from one of the more ideologically hardline West Bank settlements. But to everyone else this crime must be added to all the other horrible ones perpetrated by both sides in the name of national honor and vengeance. In reality, such acts bring no honor to their cause and only promote further rounds of revenge from the enemy camp. So the cycle continues.

    I include myself in the term “everyone else” above.

    it really is so easy to get you to go off the deep end

    Why go off the deep end when you’ve gone off it already in terms of yr own extreme politics? And btw if I’m ‘off the deep end’ I wonder what you’re gonna be saying when this conflict ends up being resolved more or less along the lines I & many others have put forward as the anticipated final status resolution of the conflict. It won’t look anything like whatever yr horrid vision of the future looks like. At that pt, we’ll know for sure who was really “off the deep end.”

  7. We offered them partition in the 1940s…They joined forces to destroy us.

    In 1967 we told Jordan not to attack…they did and after two thousand years we returned to the Temple Mount. A united Jerusalem…the religious capital of the Jews thousands of years before the birth of Mohammed.

    In 1973, while we observed the most sacred day of the Jewish liturgical year they sought to destroy us…we prevailed with a loss of life proportional to the total loss of US soldiers in WW II.

    We returned the Sinai to Egypt in the 1980s and in return we have been given a “Cold” Peace.

    Camp David, Oslo etc…. we offered a hand in Peace. Who amongst the nations of Islam has reached out to take our hand in Peace, mourned for our slain children, acknowledged our right to live in our homeland free of intimidation and threats of iminent destruction.

    One year ago we removed the last Jewish settlement in Gaza. Many people believed we would never make such a concession. In return the Palestinians have launched hundreds of rockets into the communities of Southern Israel.

    Yes, even today, we stand as a light amongst nations. We are far from perfect but our restraint against revenge and hopes for peaceful coexistence is of Biblical proportions.

  8. Saul Rosen is yet another flag-waving Israel-loving patriot living in cloud cuckoo land. It must be tremendously comforting to be able to live in such a hermetically sealed, climate-controlled environment in which Israel behaves in ways entirely pure and benign; while those nasty A-rabs behave in ways entirely deceitful and evil. So nice to never have a cloud banish the sun fr. yr perfect Zionist Eden.

  9. I love how you respond to those with whom you disagree byinsulting them. You sound like a child. Or perhaps someone who forgot to take their heart medication.

  10. I only insult those who either insult me or the intelligence of my readers (or both). And both you & Saul have both done that ever so well. I’d urge you to say something intelligent & see whether my response changes though I’m not certain either of you is capable of that.

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