13 thoughts on “Zionism, Genocide and Jews: Which Side Are You On?

  1. Thx mr. Silverstein for your thorough academic knowledge on the issues you cover, and the time for rebuttals on this thread.

  2. It’s simply more convenient and more compatible with materialism to say, “I support Israel so that the Holocaust doesn’t happen again,” rather than fighting the patterns of behavior that led to the Holocaust. Ultimately, it is yet another form of chauvinism to pretend that a certain group—defined by culture and perhaps even by blood—is not inherently monstrous, even when it behaves as such. Ultimately, Zionism is about “having,” not “being,” to put it in the words of Erich Fromm. People kill for this “having”—to take something away from others, the evil Arabs. That, to me, is Zionism.

    1. Describing zionism as only having and not being is quite simplistic as well.
      Having a state (and we can argue about how it should look like) for many many jews is actually being – being alive, being jew, being safe.

      You could argue that arabs could just be, and not pretend to have a state beyond the 22 they already have. They too, feel that having guarantees their being

      1. @ Jose: You may post 1 comment per thread.
        I am a Jew and do not need or want a state. I am alive as a Jew where I live and where I was born. That “Arabs have 22 states” is so old & tired. Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine and have a right to a state, unless you want a single state with Jews & Palestinians, which is fine with me.

        1. I am glad you find yourself happy and safe where you are.
          The truth is not all jews felt that way specially during the last century. They felt the need to find a safe place, and it was logic to go back to their homeland. Your own feelings or desires can not dictate other’s.
          Arabs in Palestine didn’t have a state project till after Israel was founded. Not when ottomans rules and certainly not when Jordanian ruled.
          Regarding the single state, for some people that’s an option that might solve the problems. I personally dont think it’s viable but I might be wrong of course.

          Thanks

          1. @jose: You don’t need to school me on Jewish life in the 19th, 20th or any century. I assure I know more on the subject than you ever will.

            In fact, Zionism was a minority view among most Jews in the US and western Europe until 1945. So no. The only region in which a significant number of Jews embraced Zionism was eastern Europe. Even then, many other eastern and central European Jews rejected it (ie. the Bund).

            Arabs in Palestine didn’t have a state project

            Palestinians had a national identity as early as the 1850s, which predates Zionism. You’d know that if you knew anything on the subject. Clearly, you don’t.

  3. Glad to see that your arguments are only based on a distortion of reality, a handful of handpicked facts and a lot of lies.
    All that certainly do not help solving the conflict in any way.

    1. @ Jose: If you really want to “solve the conflict” you might instead address the party that caused it & perpetuates it.

      1. Hi. Who that might be Mr Silverstein?
        I wonder if the right approach should be to talk about two parties having their own interest and narrative…
        Thanks

    2. “your arguments are only based on a distortion of reality, a handful of handpicked facts and a lot of lies”
      Such as what ?

  4. Unfortunately, Zionist activism is what many, probably most, diaspora Jewish institutions busy themselves with.
    Intensifying Israeli atrocities, relentlessly digging deeper into bottomless evil, are under-reported and often ignored by mainstream international media. Those – other than the proud Judeo-Nazi friends and families of the perps – who do hear of these atrocities are either the ever dwindling few who read the Hebrew edition of the only Israeli broadsheet, Haaretz, and the friends and families of the victims.
    It’s hard for those in the know to practice more tolerance towards those rallying around the Zionist flag these days than to those rallying around the Swastika one.

  5. is every synagogue a zionist institution ? are there exceptions?

    1. @ Robert: No, not every one. But there are very few that are not Zionist. I would estimate perhaps a handful in the entire country. Further, most Jewish communcal institutions are Zionist as well. To be clear, most individual, rank & file American Jews are not Zionist. They either have no opinion, don’t care, or don’t define themselves. Some of course do identify as anti-Zionist.

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