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  1. Your headline states :IDF Lies About Deaths of Palestinian Youths
    however in the post itself you say “Which means that someone may or may not have thrown firebombs at this position.”
    if someone threw a Molotov cocktail at the outpost then how exactly the IDF lies ?
    You say you don’t know what happened, yet your headline presents a fault.

    Just out of curiosity, are you in the habit of walking to remote locations with empty bottles ? I usually take empty bottles to the recycling center.

    I don’t know what happened, but based on what you published it seems that your headline isn’t very logical or justified.

    1. The following are the lies in the IDF story as I see it: there was no Palestinian weapons fire. There was no imminent threat to the soldier who shot the Palestinian youth in the back. There was no justification for the use of live fire. Nor justification for pursuit & liquidating the two boys.

      There may or may not have been firebombs assaulting the IDF position. But I’d like to see video before judging. The boys shot may or may not have been throwing firebombs. Again, I’d like to see the video before judging.

      Mere IDF claims aren’t enough for me,

  2. 1. Neither you or I have been there. You don’t know what was the sequence of events, whether or not Molotov Bottles were thrown at the outpost or if shots were fired.
    2. IDF never claimed shots were fired at the outpost. IDF spokeperson did claim that one of the Palestinian who attacked the outpost was armed. see walla report here http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/2689/2630269
    3. Assuming Molotov Bottles were thrown at the outpost, don’t you think it’s justification for hot pursuit ?

    In short, you are jumping to conclusions and you have no evidence to support your claims. You may be right, you may not be.

    1. “Justification”?

      The so-called “Defense Forces” should not have been there in the first place, let alone fired live ammo at the youths, let alone shot them, let alone murdered them. It’s really quite simple.

      1. That is besides the point.
        Israel is a democracy with a mandatory military service. Soldiers do not select the tasks appointed to them.
        As long as the Israeli governments and the Palestinian government (are we talking Hamas of Fatah ?) will not reach an agreement or unless otherwise ordered by the Israeli government the IDF will stay in its current positions.
        Big portion of the soldiers task is to secure their environment, if those kids were throwing Molotov Bottles they did put the life of those soldiers stationed there at risk and they were force to react.

        1. Israel is a democracy

          You’re about the 50th Israel booster who’s written this. Saying it 50 times doesn’t make it true. And it isn’t.

          Eventually, the IDF will be forced to leave its positions. If it takes too long for this to happen, Israel is lost.

          Molotov cocktails (& as I said we have no confirmation that this was the case) don’t justify cold blooded murder. THe soldier pursued a boy who no longer had weapons & killed him with a bullet in the back. That is indefensible. Period.

        2. No — it is not “besides the point.” It is precisely the point, the point at which the scales of justice tip strongly. It is the point.

        3. You mean the soldiers were “only following orders”? Where have we heard that before?

          It is required, not only under the Geneva Conventions, but also the obligations of basic human decency, for soldiers to disobey orders that are illegal; i. e., orders which are themselves in violation of the Geneva Conventions and any number of other international and applicable laws, such as, “Take up this position in occupied civilian territory, arm yourselves with lethal weapons and live ammunition, and mercilessly shoot to death anyone, man, woman or child, who notably demonstrates against, menaces or threatens your position, whether they are organized or not, whether they are armed or not, whether they are fleeing or not, whether they are wounded and disabled or not. Even if the threat is neutralized, deny them medical assistance; make sure they die.”

          Issuing such an order would be illegal, not disobeying it would be doubly illegal, and taking the action would be triply illegal.

    2. @EladR: You haven’t read the news reports. The IDF is claiming a lookout reported Palestinian gunfire. The IDF says the look out was wrong & there was none. I frankly doubt there was a lookout or, if there was, that the lookout reported this. But whether there was such a report or not, the killing is still unjustified. The Molotov cocktails seem to be Plan B now that the gunfire claim is discredited.

  3. It certainly cannot be correct military procedure to shoot a youth in the back and leave his body in a field, can it? This is not a battlefield, it is an occupation and I imagine it is not acceptable to shoot people in the back and leave them for dead.

    Oh, wait. It’s not acceptable to shoot people in the chest and allow them to bleed to death by denying the access of an ambulance, either.

    I think this is the point, @Elad.

    1. With your statement i absolutely agree.
      Furthermore, as an Ex soldier the solider’s behavior in this incident – if correctly reported – is a disgrace and a violation of IDF orders.
      We’ll have to wait and see.

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