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  1. @Richard

    My guess of the type of munition is just as good as anyone else’s, but if the man was injured by a drone-fired missile, than it’s probably the same type of missile that’s usually used, and the Hamas published pictures of (of one missile that did not explode). I’m sure you could easily find it online.
    This (Israel made) missile replaced the Hell-fire missile in order to lower peripheral damage, and I have now knowledge of how it works, but it is VERY unlikely to be DU, which is effective against armored targets and not soft targets.

    I would also like to address your last paragraph:
    “By the way, I’ve read several mainstream journalists claim that less than half those killed in Gaza were civilians. This is not true. Gaza human rights groups have counted 183 fatalities of whom 103 were civilian.”

    How can you determine that “Gaza human rights groups” numbers are more reliable than main-stream media numbers?
    And what about the 6 “collaborators” that were lynched and their bodies dragged in Gaza’s streets? are they also counted in the list as Palestinian civilians fatalities?

    1. DU is effective against any sort of hardened target, not just armor. Since Israel’s apologists in this thread don’t believe Israel used DU because there weren’t appropriate targets for which it would be effective, you might want to ask the U.S. why it used DU In Falluja, where there was no armor, but apparently targets hardened enough that they decided to use this munition to penetrate.

      Gaza human rights groups are completely independent, with no connection to Hamas & their casualty counts are respected & used by media & governments around the world in discussing the Gaza fighting (except Israel of course, which uses its own hocus pocus number system to make up fake casualty counts).

      As for the collaborators, if you tell me whether IDF Capt. Meir Tobianski was included in the casualty count for the 1948 War and tell me who was punished for his execution, then we can talk about Gaza collaborators.

      1. As much as you want it to be true – its just not.
        DU is used, as far as I know, as AP munition for tanks, and for attack helicopter canons, for the same reason – penetrating a tank’s armor. Using such ammo on unarmored vehicles is useless and a waste of expensive resources.
        Why did the US army use it in afganistan? I dont know, you yell me – it’s tax money.

        Gaza human right geoups are indipendent as long as the criticize Israel.

        As for meir Tobianski, I think its a shame the the man who was responsible for his death was not harshly punished. A least Tobianski was nut behaded and dragged all over gaza by a motorcycle.
        I wonder how much you spend on digging that singe example from the Israeli side

        1. At least three senior IDF officers, including one military lawyer, were responsible for his execution. They all went on to distinguished careers in the IDF & Israeli civic life w/o a blemish on their record.

          Do you think it was any consolation to Tobianski’s widow that her husband was only shot by firing squad in an abandoned schoolhouse after trial by kangaroo court rather than being dragged behind a motorcycle in Gaza?

          Gaza human rights groups document violations of human rights and criticize Hamas too.

        2. “Gaza human right geoups are indipendent as long as the criticize Israel.”

          You didn’t bother to check. Go google the Palestinian Center for Human Rights. They criticize Israel, as they should, but they also criticize Hamas, the PA, and honor killings. They condemned the killings of the six collaborators. They oppose the death penalty. What is wrong with you?

          Palestinian Center for Human Rights

        3. And here’s a link to the Palestinian Center on Human Rights and their work on honor killings.


          I asked Nimrod what was wrong with him. I think I already know.

    2. @ Nimrod
      Could you please post a serious source about the 6 collaborators that were lynched and their bodies dragged throught the streets. Or should we just conclude that you’re adding 5 extra yourself ?

      1. It’s off-topic so don’t encourage him. We already addressed the matter of the collaborators a couple of weeks ago elsewhere.

        In fact, you should know by now that this is a hasbara tactic meant to seize control of the conversation so that we ignore the topic before us.

        Casualty counts will change as time passes and are varied according to their source. This is a given. It is common sense, however, that human rights groups inside Gaza would have a more accurate count than the MSM, who usually get their casualty figures from Israeli sources.

      2. @ Mary
        I know it’s a hasbara-trick, but I still don’t want to let Nimrod’s lie stand by itself (that’s a hasbara-trick too).The fact that he doesn’t answer – though he’s been back on this thread – shows that he knows he’s lying.

  2. How incredibly brutal. Having seen many photos of victims in this latest Israeli rampage, I honestly cannot say what is worse – to see victims smashed under tons of falling concrete or incinerated by the heat of explosion, or fried with chemicals or DU. All are crimes against humanity and Israel has been doing this to civilians for far too long. What is particularly disgusting is the public admission that they tested new weapons on the Gazans as a “dry run” for their anticipated attack on Iran. How incredibly cynical and inhuman. I hope with all my heart that there is some redress for the Gazans in either the ICC or the ICJ.

  3. Last I heard, Depleted Unarium was for anti-tank weapons, that is, to penetrate VERY TOUGH ARMOR.
    I presume that Gazans had no such armor. In that case, use of such weapons (in addition to being unnecessarily EXPENSIVE) (and inexcusably environmentally harmful) would, if true, have been un-needed.

    Is this how USA and Israel mean to get rid of nuclear waste — spreading it around the countryside of folks they don’t like? Poisoning the countryside for 1000 years (I made up the 1000)?

    If Israel used those weapons here, where there was absolutely no excuse to do so, then I think that the territorial exchange (Palestinian land exchanged for Israeli land in a 2-state “peace”) should include replacement of ALL of Gaza (given to Israel) in return for land in (say) Galilee. Let Israelis live in their own mess!

  4. @pabel

    “Last I heard, Depleted Unarium was for anti-tank weapons, that is, to penetrate VERY TOUGH ARMOR.
    I presume that Gazans had no such armor.”

    Right. Which makes it less likely that Israel used this ordnance against human targets and more likely that DIME weapons were used, which makes the Gazan’s radioactivity claims are a canard.

    DIME weapons, if I’m not mistaken, are LESS likely to cause collateral damage to civilians.

    1. A bunch of completely mistaken suppositions. The U.S used depleted uranium munitions in Falluja & there was no enemy armor there either. The weapon has greater power of penetration than conventional weapons & so is used whenever your forces want to get deep penetration of a target. This might be the case if you’re trying to bomb a tunnel or get at a target inside a building, all of which Israel tried to do.

      As for DIME, it has killed & grievously injured many civilians. The supposed benefit is that the kill zone is smaller than a conventional explosive. But if you’re inside the kill zone, whether civilian or fighter you’re gonna be riddled with sizzling tungsten micro-shrapnel. And many civilians have been.

  5. What an irresponsible title and article. Complete supposition about chemical warfare and high radioactive levels, with hearsay turned into meandering fact. Yes, yes, I know. It was all confirmed by an Israeli source.

  6. Mary-
    I am sure you are aware about the suicide bombers using bombs filled with shrapnel and laced with rat poison. The people who did these things are revered as heroes both by HAMAS and the official FATAH Palestinian Authority. Over 1000 Israelis were killed by these types of attacks. Now, assuming as you do that the Palestinians are the “good guys” in this conflict, wouldn’t you say that this type of attack does NOT place the Palestinians on a “higher moral plane” than you say Israel is on? Let’s say this article is true about the depleted uranium. Wouldn’t it be correct to say there was no moral difference between the two sides? So why get all worked up about how bad Israel is if there is no real difference?

    1. Oh please. The IDF pilot who assassinated Ahmed Jabari and several civilians would be revered by many Israelis if they knew his name. Israel reveres IDF generals who castrated unarmed Palestinians in acts of vigilant justice. They even wrote popular songs celebrating it. Don’t tell me about Palestinian blood lust. When you can get rid of your own & Israel’s, then we can talk.

      I’m getting tired of quoting this statistic…but for every 1 Israeli civilian killed SIX Palestinian civilians are killed. But you don’t shed any tears for them, do you? You only shed Jewish tears for Jewish blood.

      As for a “higher moral plane,” I’d say a nation that kills Lebanese children using cluster bombs & Gaza children by dropping white phosphorus on them doesn’t have any call to besmirch the moral record of Palestinians. And Yes, there is a clear moral difference between the two sides.

  7. I would have loved to hear Obama say that there was a red line here that could not be crossed “without serious consequences” – as he did with Syria.

      1. No, mary.
        These particular weapons are manufactured by Israel. IAI to be more exact.
        Te US made weapon which it replaced, the Hellfire missile caused much more damage

  8. DU is used in high velocity (kinetic energy) weapons, usually those fired from a big gun. Most of the major European powers seem to have found a way of making tungsten penetrators do a better job, but not necessarily a cheaper one.

    I don’t think there are any Israeli drones capable of carrying the sort of gun that could usefully employ DU munitions.

    However, most drones capable of carrying Hellfire or similar missiles, can also carry “small diameter bombs”, and there’s a DIME variant of that alright. The whole idea of “DIME” is to concentrate the effects of an explosive charge, in a small area, by surrounding it with a non-reactive dense metal powder. (I wouldn’t describe DU are “non-reactive” in this context: it can burn fiercely.) Because the dense metal is a powder, not large fragments, the particles capture most of the explosive energy as kinetic energy, but don’t travel very far, so you’re left with a small cloud of very hot dust. Bear in mind when reading Russian hand-wringing moralization about this, that if you surround the explosive with a reactive metal powder, zinc or titanium, say, the cloud of hot metal dust reacts violently with the air and causes a massively powerful blast wave. This is what Russian munitions engineers did and this is what flattened Grozny.

    Some of the very localised deep burns, however, sound to me like a directed energy weapon, which could be microwaves if not a laser.

    There’s also been research in some quarters into corrosive weapons, where some kind of super-corrosive acid is dispersed. It would take some mental and legal gymnastics not to describe such a thing as a chemical weapon, even if the idea was to disable equipment rather than kill people. I don’t think any military lab can produce an acid stronger than Aqua Rega, as used in mining labs and the like, but they might have found a way of making an existing strong acid viscous so it would stick to objects and eat holes into them. It would be a bit like the difference between napalm and petrol: similar energy per pound, but napalm tends to concentrate heat on what it’s stuck to. If an acid did that, it could appear like something out of a Science Fiction movie (a particular SF movie in fact) but the acid wouldn’t have to be stronger, molecule for molecule, than acids used everyday in industry. I really don’t think it’s possible for acids to be much stronger than the ones were all know about. But there might be ways of making them more effective.

  9. Isreal should face war crimes in the intenatioal court at the Haguethere is no dout in my mind they used smart bombs befor in the last war againts gaza these people need there freedom and land bring them Isreal to trial they can not keep ethic cleansing the people .

  10. Wikipedia on DIME

    Toxic/carcinogenic effects

    The carcinogenic effects of heavy metal tungsten alloys (HMTA) have been studied by the U.S. Armed Forces since at least the year 2000 (along with depleted uranium (DU)). These alloys were found to cause neoplastic transformations of human osteoblast cells.[4]

    A more recent U.S. Department of Health and Human Services study in 2005 found that HMTA shrapnel rapidly induces rhabdomyosarcoma in rats.[5]

    The tungsten alloy carcinogenicity may be most closely related to the nickel content of the alloys used in weapons to date. However, pure tungsten and tungsten trioxide are also suspected of causing cancer and other toxic properties, and have been shown to have such effects in animal studies.[6]

    In 2009, a group of Italian scientists affiliated with the watchdog group New Weapons Research Committee (NWRC) pronounced DIME wounds “untreatable” because the powdered tungsten cannot be removed surgically.[7]
    Speculation of use

    In July/August 2006, doctors in the Gaza Strip reported unusual wounds caused by Israel Defense Forces attacks against Palestinians, claiming that they were from previously unknown weapons. A lab analysis of the metals found in the victims’ bodies was reportedly “compatible with the hypothesis” that DIME weapons were involved. Israel denied possessing or using such weapons, and an Israeli military expert said that the wounds were consistent with ordinary explosives.[8]

    Dr. Mads Gilbert and Dr. Erik Fosse, working on wounded from the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict, reported injuries that they believed were caused by some new type of weapon used by Israel, which they speculated were DIME bombs.[9][10][11][12] Gilbert and Fosse made the same accusations during the ongoing 2014 Gaza conflict.

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