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  1. Killing Without Consequences:

    Yehudah Weinstein is the attorney general who recently refused to prosecute Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur, the authors of “The King’s Torah” and earlier on Shmuel Eliyahu, the Rabbi of Safed, the man behind the petition of Rabbis demanding the Jews in Safed not to rent to Palestinian students.
    So if Weinstein didn’t prosecute authors of a book justifying the killing of Palestinians, kids included, how could he prosecute someone who actually did nothing else than what’s he’s been brainwashed to think: that Palestinians are Amalek and thus legitimate targets ?

  2. What is the next step? It seems that Moira will continue to pursue whatever legal channels she can. Do you know what those are? Will this be appealed to Israel’s Supreme Court? Where does it go from here?

  3. Out of curiosity, what would have happened to Israel’s Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein if he had found the murderer Vinogradov guilty? Every one involved on the Israeli side including the attorney is a shower of shite. I’d like to see them pay for their lies in this life, I know they’ll pay in the next life but we won’t have the satisfaction of seeing them squirm and suffer. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their arseholes.

  4. Having repeatedly elected to sacrifice peace and thousands of Palestinian lives in the name of a Jewish state, the original sin, it is doubly tragic that the power is abused in this vain idiotic pursuit and corrupts the state completely and all of its actors. There is just no sense in building a Jewish state that is so vile and corrupted and universally despised. Who needs this state? I can imagine criminals gravitating to such a state — I understand they have — and I can imagine exploiters of every type also settling on stolen land, but I cannot imagine a future for a Jewish civil society on stolen land, built on the ruination of another people. This murder of a Palestinian by a moronic brute is another disaster for Jews and for Judaism and for everyone else who believe in basic decency. Israel is the moronic brute. If arriving Jews have to “hebracize” their names maybe they should chose something descriptive like “Scuzzy” or “Shitface” or “Empty.”

    1. I find it incredibly insulting for you to suggest that “Shitface” would be an appropriate Hebracized version of a person’s name.

      1. Nah, you know what’s insulting ? Organizing a Miss Holocaust Survivor Contest as this week in Haifa. That’s insulting, makes my stomach turn. A French stand-up comedian has been taken to court by the local moral guardians of the Jewish community aka the French version of AIPAC for using the expression “memorial pornograhy of the Holocaust”. This is really an example. “Shitface” is nothing next to that.
        @ David
        I hope you had/will have a inspiring meeting with M.P. 😀

      2. What would you call Maxim Vinogradov? I don’t have any problem calling him some pretty vile names considering that he tore half Ziad Jilani’s brain away in a cold blooded execution. Seems to me your sensitivities are misplaced.

        1. If the comment was directed simply at Maxim Viongradov (i.e. that he was a “Shithead”), I would not have raised an objection. The comment, however, seemed directed at “arriving Jews” in general – that is to say, anyone who makes alliyah. That’s where I found it to be insulting.

    2. DY: today

      Earlier generations of in-coming Jewish settlers in Palestine “hebracized” their names often adopting heroic Hebrew words for “lion” or “eagle” or what not to characterize their being in the land. In view of history and the accumulation of heinous crimes over the decades of such heroism, my suggestions for new appellations is appropriate. Of course, I leave it to the individual Russian or whatever to find the handle with which he/she are most comfortable.

      Bob shouldn’t be insulted by me: He should be outraged at the stewards of the Israeli state.

      1. 1. I don’t understand the nitpicking either. An innocent man was killed in a brutal and forthright manner by a notorious Israeli cop and this cop got off free. That’s enough reason to be outraged with Israeli “justice.”

        2. I intended to suggest via the “shitface” remark that anyone cooperating with the policies and practices of the State of Israel is, in my estimate, a “shitface.” I am sympathizing here with all those who are incensed by this affair and I don’t moderate or withdraw my angry characterization. Rather, it has led me to consider the possibility that the new Hebracized heroic names might more aptly celebrate the Israel that in fact exists. Such newly adopted names might be Hebrew equivalents for “Lie”, “Racist”, “Brute”, “Thief” or “Killer.” These are the new heroes, as everyone knows.

  5. Do u have a link to the full official decision of the AG? Your embedded link gives a blank black screen.

    1. It’s a tif. file. I wonder if your browser isn’t displaying it properly. That’s the file format I was sent. I can try to convert it to a jpg. If you want to read it I can send it to you directly via e mail. Let me know.

  6. Even if he did prosecute, what would the result be when the Jewish judge has to decide between a Jewish soldier and an Arab? Nothing too serious, and we have precedents that in Israel Arab blood is cheap: just google Kfar kassem and see what the value of the blood is of 49 innocent Arab civilians (“citizens” of Israel) were murdered in cold blood by the same Border Patrol unit.

      1. One is a Druze the other is Russian Jew. Either way, nobody expects justice in Israel when the perpetrator of murder is Israeli security forces and the victim is Arab. If you do, you might as well join the flat earth society.

        1. There are Bedouin and Arab officers serving in the Israeli police. How do you know that Khir Al-Din Shadi is Druze?

          1. @ Bob Man
            For God’s sake ! Why don’t you stop asking stupid insignificant questions ? Ahad Haadam is an Israeli, former IDF officer, he knows Hebrew, has probably read more about this case that you, and probably knows about the Druze vs the “Bedouin” position in the Israeli army, i.e. the-divide-and-rule hierarchy.
            Your ethnic-religious classification is strange ! Here you write “There are Bedouin and Arab officers ….” (Israel is the only place in the world where this distinction is made ! Bedouins ARE Arabs, they are even the Weberian Arab ideal type ! ) but when it came to Wahid Taysir Hayb, you knew he was a Muslim.
            Why don’t you google yourself ? His name is more likely transcribed ‘Khayr’ or ‘Kheir’ than Khir.

            You’re simply trying – as always – to pick up some details to take the attention away from the main story: after Davey’s “Shitface”, now it’s Ahad Haadam’s “Druze”. Maybe you should move on to another tactic. The Hasbarafellowship has a new course starting out in July: ‘Intermediate Level’, maybe you could follow by Skype.
            Finally I have an ‘insignificant’ question for you: why do YOU think Vinogradov killed Ziad Jilani ?

      2. This is a perfect example of why terms like “Israeli Arab” are so misplaced. What does “Arab” mean here? Druze, Bedouin, Christian, Muslim, Palestinian? Each different ethnic group has a distinctive set of interests, history, culture, etc. In fact, the commander was Druze, a group which has largely been extremely supportive of the State and served in the IDF. Calling him Israeli Arab seems to imply that an Arab killed an Arab, as if that lessens the crime. It doesn’t.

        Anyone who uses the term again here will be blasted & rightfully so. You’ve (not just Bob, but all future abusers of the term) been warned.

        1. Have you yourself not noted in earlier posts that the only Israeli police officers who have ever been convicted in such situations have been non-Jewish? I am quite confident you have made that point in the past.

          1. There IS no point in Bob’s comment. In fact it seems to be a pathology ! I just read the comment thread in a row and this is clearly trolling !
            Bob is trying to nitpick on the ethnic-religious origin of the soldiers when what is important is that they are NON-Jewish. And NON-Jewish is not automatically “Israeli Arab” according to Israel’s own divide-and-rule classification. In fact concerning military matters it seldom is as “Israeli Arabs” rarely do military service contrary to “Druze” or “Bedouins”.

  7. Two of Vinogradov’s colleagues in the Border Police harassing and kicking a nine-years old Palestinian boy in Hebron on Friday, just for the fun of it before Shabbath…. while he’s crying for his Mum.
    The aggression starts at 1:15. One of the hasbaristas mentions in the comments: “it’s nothing compared to Syria”, but it’s every day and it’s been going on for 45/64 years !

    1. Israel claims to be a “Western” styled state in the ME, so comparisons with Syria are irrelevant in any case. But it is typical that the Zionists would want it both ways at once: Israel is a beacon of the West in the ME for some purposes and just another ME regime for other purposes.

  8. Bob Mann July 1, 2012 at 7:46 AM

    The officer who initially shot Jilani in the back was himself an Israeli Arab.

    The unitial shot cannot be realistically prosecuted as murder. However, the “shot of mercy” that killed Jilani is. Witnesses described that Jilani was in prone position and already gravely wounded when he was shot point blank in the head. Competent autopsy would refute the witnesses or confirm. Approaching a person who lies on the pavement bleeding and shooting in the head can hardly be attributed to panic.

    Passengers of Mavi Marmara were also killed with shots of mercy. And the killers were not prosecuted either. State of Israel apparently views this practice as reasonable and proper.

    1. The officer who shot Jilani in the back was NOT an “Israeli Arab” but a Druze – as mentioned in at least 3-4 other comments.The Israeli ethnocracy has divided the indigenous population into sub-categories: 1. “Arabs” 2. Druze 3. Bedouins 4. Circassians. They don’t have the same obligations concerning military service.
      If you don’t agree with the Israeli divide-and-rule classification, at least don’t use their “Israeli Arab” – another post-independence invention to deny the link between the indigenous Palestinians who managed to stay in ’48-Palestine, their native land, Palestine, and their brothers in exile. It of course also servs to deny the specificity of the Palestinians, calling them simply Arabs – which they are – makes it easier to claim their transfer to another “Arab” country.
      I have noticed that when one of the “non-Arabs” categories – in the Israeli classification – are accused of criminal behaviour, they often become “Arabs”, this also happened during the fire on the Mount Carmel when young Druze suddenly became “Arabs”.

      1. The shooters could be Deobandis and the victim a Religious Zionist, this is a distraction. The question is what constitutes a justification of shooting with live ammunition in Israel. What powers the State of Israel gives to itself.

        In Latin America, in “good old days” there was “ley fuga”, if someone flees from police, soldiers, guards etc. then a fatal shot is justified. This is pretty barbaric, but in practice reluctantly prosecuted. “Shot of mercy” is another story, clearly Jilani was not running anywhere when he was killed. Even semi-civilized countries should prosecute it: a relatively standard procedure is to prosecute, but ineptly.

  9. “… executed East Jerusalem Palestinian Ziad Jilani in 2010, after a minor traffic accident …”

    H swearved into a group of policemen and gravely wounded five of them. Yes, it was “minor”…

        1. Don’t be an idiot. He ran over no one, broke no bones. There were a few cuts & minor lacerations. I’ve read everything written about this incident. Nowhere does anyone credible say he broke bones or ran over anyone. The police account speaks of officers flying through the air. But everyone but you & the Israeli Border Police know this was fiction, just as the police version of the execution was fiction. Not very good fiction either. But apparently you like trashy novels.

          As for causing me grievous bodily injury, now that I believe you would enjoy given your views.

    1. What is your point, anyway? Do you say that accidental injuries (of any size!) justify the execution of this man? For reasons pointed out herein, such a consideration doesn’t even go to the “mind” (legally speaking) of the executioner. So, what’s the point anyway?

      1. My point is that there are many sides in this story, but Silverstein’s claim that it was a “minor traffic accident” proves that he is unable to be an objective judge of the facts.

        This is what is known. A group of Israeli border policemen were being pelted with stones. Jilani drove his car at high speed into the group severely injuring many. He did not stop and tried to get away. After his car was disabled he tried to run away on foot. He was shot and fell to the ground. Was shot again at close range in the head.

        Now, his family claims that his car was hit by a rock and that he lost control. That him driving into the policemen was an accident. He tried to drive/run away because he was scared. Maybe, it is a plausable explanation.

        Policemen claimed that it was not an accident, that he drove into them intentionally. They claim that it is confirmed by him trying to drive/run away. They claimed that he acted like a terrorist and that it appeared that he wanted to explode a bomb, so a policeman shot him. It is also a plausable explanation.

        To sum it up – it is a war over there, and sh*t happens during the war much more frequently than in Seattle.

        1. Exactly wrong. Precisely wrong. It is not a war over there as that image suggests two sides, two armed camps going at each other, you know, the Palestinian Air Force against the IAF etc. There is only one side with power and with power comes responsibility for its application. If “shit happens,” it is the responsibility of the powerful who control what happens.

          I am reminded of all those who suggest that the I-P thing is a “dispute”, again the two sided image! What dispute? People with arms and power come and take over the land, demolish your home, and make it difficult to live any more in your homeland: Who in their right mind would characterize that uproar produced from that as a “dispute?”

          You can fabricate any story line you like here, but the final “shit” was murder at the hands of a known, unsavory Israeli cop. If there were any real Jews in Israel, or occupying the WB, they would understand and not let this go by. Apparently, there aren’t any.

          1. As von Clausewitz said – “war is a continuation of diplomacy by other means”.

            It is a war going on there and people on both sides are being killed. It is a low intensity conflict, typical for asymmetrical warfare, but it is one side against another.

            I would even say that this country is under attack and is in the middle of a war. I would even venture to say that a war of ideas is being fought on these pages (Tokyo Rose multiplied by a hundred), and its outcome will affect many, many people.

          2. No, people mostly are being killed on one side by people on the other. Your country is fighting its own war on other nations in the region, most of whom are suffering your attacks without fighting back in any meaningful way.

            I think you just equated this blog with Tokyo Rose. That’ll earn you immediate moderation. And thanks for coming up with one of the more bizarre comment rule violations to earn moderation!

        2. This is what is known: there was a claim by the Border Police that Palestinian youth were throwing stones which may or may not have been true. Jilani was driving in Friday afternoon traffic which is severely clogged at that hour. He was in a long line of cars and could not have driven his car at “high speed.” He did not severely injure anyone nor have you offered any proof of it. Further, you’re simply repeating your earlier argument w/o offering any proof there or here that you are correct. Repetition is a big no-no here. For that you’ve earned comment moderation.

          The only truth to anything you wrote above is that he did not stop and drove away. From the very beginning (not “now” as you claim) there was a claim that he either momentarily lost control of his car and accidentally swerved or that a rock hit his windshield. In fact, no one has ever proven that what happened was anything other than an accident. The policemen never “claimed” he drove into them intentionally. In fact, the AG’s lying bunch of crap statement doesn’t even make this claim. No proof has ever been adduced by the police or you that he did this deliberately. Any claim by you to that effect would be an unproven, unsupported lie.

          The murderers claim not that he “acted like a terrorist,” but that at the time they were afraid he might have been a terrorist and might have a weapon (all of which proved to be false as did virtually everything they said). Even the AG, who is no friend of Jilani’s implies that he believes they were both liars. Read the document. You know what it says.

          Yeah, it’s a war over there and shit happens. But the shit overwhelmingly happens to the Palestinians and your friends in the IDF and Border Police are the one’s who’re dumping the shit. Now you’re shoveling it here & I’m sick & tired of it.

          1. “… there was a claim by the Border Police that Palestinian youth were throwing stones which may or may not have been true”.

            It is Jilanis’ position that his car was hit by a rock and that had caused him to loose control. You are contradicting yourself by stating this fact later in your own message. Where did this rock come from? (On the side note, do people who throw stones in the street that “severely clogged at that hour” bear any responsibility?)

            Look, it is obviously useless to argue with a blind person in whose opinion Israel is always guilty. You can’t logically construct even one argument.

            “Logic” is in the eye of he beholder. None of us find any in virtually any of the hasbara you offer here.

          2. No San8ych, it is :”useless to argue” when you are undone.

            Nobody really thinks there is any actual war in the ME except if you dilute Clausewitz to nothing. There is invasion, aggrandizement, appropriation and systematic dispossession and strangulation of a people, but not “war.” Show me the Palestinian bulldozer demolishing a home in Tel Aviv or the Palestinian F-16 dropping phosphorus bombs on civilians there. That would be war. At least now I know that their are people who prefer to see this reality as a “dispute.”

            Tokyo Rose potentiated is not a good picture of the impact of modern discourse and blogs in our times. The sheer multiplicity of voices has damaged the medium and devalued words as portrayals of the world. as never before. So you can multiply the voices but the words are much less dear, so the total value of the discourse is not enlarged. Same old.

          3. By you logic, Davey, 9-11 was not real because the attackers did not use military equipment, but commercial airlines.

            The history shows that Palestinians use various means to attack Israelis, and even stones can kill. Since you seems to have a bulldozer fetish (possibly connected to the failed Presbyterian BDS campaign) – exactly four years ago a Palestinian used a bulldozer to kill three people – http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3562991,00.html

          4. You said rocks kill. They don’t. They may cause someone’s car to swerve (possibly in the case of Jilani as well) and an accident, but the rock itself doesn’t kill. The car is what kills. That’s what I meant and you know it.

            I’m getting tired of your sophistry.

  10. (Sanych — my fetish is conscience. BDS will work. We know this because Israel and its agents in the US are very very worried. With the Presbyterian initiative, these agents pulled no punches, invested very heavily and still came very close to losing the whole game. We will get there. We will get there as long as Israel continues its policies, practices and high crimes.)

    1. Sanych — You complain that RS (and others on this blog) are prepared to see everything Israeli as evil and bad. Do you have any idea WHY participants may be so disposed in the first place? Have you any sense of the underlying reality of Israeli practices that could draw such ire, automatic or prudently considered? I am just curious about nitpicking nonsense in the face of real and ugly policies and practices of the Israeli State. You don’t “win” anything by rummaging around at the periphery of the discourse while Rome burns to the ground, so to speak. Or do you think that Israel has been UNFAIRLY adjudged (though by much of the world, it appears, a global delusion of some kind?)

      BTW — good news from PCUSA after all — a boycott of WB settlement products! And only two little votes short in the main divestment item! All of these things, including this blog, keep a-going and going…The boycott may be financial small potatoes but it is huge historically!

  11. Yeah, there was a certain poetic justice in the bulldozer episode however unacceptable the action considering the thousands of Palestinian homes wrecked by Israeli military bulldozers. So Palestinians have stones, moral right, and the sympathy of people of conscience everywhere on their side and Israel has F-16’s, nuclear weapons, tanks, bulldozers, doublethink and US politicians on its side. I guess this is the “war” in which happenstance “shit happens.” What a joke.
    Can you understand how a Palestinian might be a little ticked with Israel? Can you see that at all, even just a glimmer?

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