Itamar Murder Suspect’s Facebook Page, Rotter’s Cozy Relationship With Shin Bet
In this day and age it seems like every teenager has their own Facebook page. It appears suspected murderers too are members of the club. One of the two suspects in the murder of the Fogel family, Amjad Awad, has his own Facebook page. There may not be that much that is odd or unusual about that. But nonetheless, there are a few oddities about this one.
First, the account appears to have Wall postings from only a three-day period in November. Very few people on Facebook join and post for three days and then go silent. So I wonder whether this is what happened or whether other postings more proximate to the dates of the murder may’ve been removed either by family or the Shabak. What’s there now deals mostly with girls and sports. One wishes that those were the interests he’d continued to pursue as a teenager instead of the activity he turned to after this period.
Even more odd is that a Rotter member posted the precise personal image of the murder suspect from his Facebook page around April 12th, several days the Shabak announced his arrest. The case was under a strict gag order (except for the reporting here naturally). There can only be two reasons for this: either the Rotterite is a member of the security services or the image was leaked to him by a member of the security services. Why would Shabak do such a thing? Possibly because the image is so bizarre making the suspect look a bit like a gay hairdresser. The disjunctions between the preening in the photo and the heinous acts of which he was accused would make him subject to even greater ridicule. Needless to say, the Rotter thread with his image has been taken down as the site often does when the gag is protective of the prerogatives of the security services. In the cases of other gags, Rotter seems more willing to hew to an independent path and retain these threads.
All of which means that Rotter appears to have an ultra-cozy relationship with Israeli security forces. Nothing particularly wrong with that as long as everyone realizes that such members of Rotter have their own vested interests in what they upload there and the arguments they present there.
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RE: “Possibly because the image is so bizarre making the suspect look a bit like a gay hairdresser.” – R.S.
MY COMMENT: Perhaps he was insired by Sacha Baron Cohen’s ‘Brüno Gehard’ character. Or possibly it was just a misguided attempt to look like someone from “the West” for his Facebook photo. At any rate, the two photos look like they are of entirely different people.
Brüno Fading Fast after First Day (JPEG image) – http://www.brunomovie.org/gossip/bruno-fading-fast-after-first-day/
If you consider that the bearded photo was taken after he may’ve murdered five people, been arrested & tortured by the Shabak, he indeed would look different than the Facebook photo. Also, the latter looks like it was taken at least a yr or two before and he is therefore older in the Shabak photo.
I didn’t really expected you to connect the dots.
but i did
so especially for you: Itamar is occupied by religious residents,
Rotter is owned and managed by….a religious guy.
The residents of itamar knew about the arrest as the murder was reconstructed in their community, and most likely found the identity of the murderer. the distance to rotter was very short.
And Yoav Even… it appeared first at the comments of רדיקל מקלדת on april 4th, it was later edited.
do you see a connection between the owner of רדיקל מקלדת and you ?
The picture was published at Rotter BEFORE the reconstruction. The residents of Itamar were evacuated during the reconstruction so no one would see the suspects. This is all generally known by people who read the Israeli press carefully. Were you on holiday then?
The story about Even appeared in Rotter too & he was named there probably before whatever site you named. It too was taken down.
I love it when you play innocent.
רדיקל מקלדת = רחביה ברמן a friend of yours according to google
and the source of your many stories i assume.
yet you somehow don’t know his site.
and guess what, your friend Shunra (google רדיקל מקלדת שונרא) has been writing on his blog for a while now, imagine that, the dots are connecting.
as i said before you guys are getting paid by the same guys (using your very basic knowledge)
Funny, Rechavia Berman and I collaborated on ONE story. I’ve written 4,000 blog posts & you think Rechavia and I are bosom buddies because of a one time collaboration. I’ve got news for you. I don’t know the name of his blog because I don’t read it (though I have read the online news portal he edits fr. time to time though infrequently). Rechavia is NOT the source of ANY of my stories. Remember again what assuming make you…
I don’t know which sites Dena writes for. As for the dots connecting, hardly.
one can read a lot of crazy shift on the web.
this post was ….. of interest.
it made me realize that I’ve never even thought to look at pictures of young men to see which ones might appear as “gay hairdressers”.
quite an eye, Richard, and a unusual gauge on the tracks of your train of thought.
do some pictures of teen-aged females strike you as “gay hairdresserish” ?
The snark is really fun & all, but I’ve lost patience. You’re moderated & if you want to continue wasting people’s time w. the snark you’ll deliver yr punch lines in places other than here. Your choice.
Wow, you lasted how long at the Mondoweiss comment threads? Are you seeking a new world’s record for being banned?
Richard, there is nothing “snarky” about what I’m asking you.
Perhaps you didn’t realize how demeaning and cruel your comment was. How homophobic and inappropriate and how you’re using some odd sort of stereotyping.
Do you really think that there’s a way that LGBT youths LOOK?
The “gay hairdresser” comment raises an interesting thought. I remeber reading a few weeks ago that male hairdressers in Gaza, be they gay or otherwise, were forbidden to cut women’s hair or something of that nature.
Is it possible that this young man, of “gay hairdresser” appearance, was strong armed by this same sort of muscle, this time obvioulsy in the West Bank, into commiting these heinous crimes in order that he or his family would not befall even greater shame at the hands of Palestinian govt thugs? Maybe they had something on him.
To bad, if he is gay, he does not live 20 miles west, where in Tel Aviv there is a whole gay community living in freedom and safety.
RE: “To bad, if he is gay, he does not live 20 miles west, where in Tel Aviv there is a whole gay community living in freedom and safety.” – Duhay
SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Tel_Aviv_gay_centre_shooting
* P.S. Compare this to the investigation of the murders that occurred on 03/11/11 in the West Bank settlement of Itamar.
ALSO SEE WIKIPEDIA – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack
A ‘gay hairdresser’…. ?? Richard you must be joking, we are talking about a Facebook snapshot. The only thing, apart from the interesting Shabak connections, we can learn here is that even -suspected- murderers are, actually, people. (Which in itself is disturbung enough….That and the fact that a suspect is named and shamed even before being convicted in court.)
I think there is an explanation for that, that is not conspiratory.
It was not a problem for anyone to know his name and identity. There are many people who have friend journalists who know his name. As you say, you yourself published his name before it was published in Israel .
Does that mean that you are you connected to the Shabak? 🙂
When they knew his identity, it was not a problem to search in google and find his facebook page.
Google and other sites (like the internet archive), save the webpage even if it was taken down , so it is possible that it was possible to get to the webpage via the google link to the “Cached”/saved webpage.
The picture might not have been taken down from the webserver, although the facebook page was taken down, so it was possible to find out from the “Cached” page, the link to the picture.
That is all, no big conspiracy.
Your evidence is a bit circumstantial but your claim might well be right. In that sense the Rotter people aren’t that different from you. You have your sources (including, if I recall correctly someone from Ehud Barak’s inner circle) and they have theirs. You have your agenda and they have theirs. That’s an inherent aspect of opinionative reporting (although I don’t think the Rotter guys can be considered as journalists per se).