IDF Censors Israeli Reporting on War Game Exercises Training for Iran Attack
Until they were censored a few hours ago, Israeli news reported a series of critical war games conducted with the Greek air force (take that Turkey!) which simulated an attack on Iran and subsequent attacks on Lebanon and Syria to quell their responses to the Iranian bombardment. Now, the Israeli reports talk about an “attack on a distant target” whereas the uncensored version specified Iran. Foreign sources such as Maan use this uncensored headline (in Arabic): “Israel Air Force exercise simulates attacks against Iran.” I’m displaying an Israeli TV Channel 2 which says “IDF continues to train for Iran attack.” You won’t find this headline anymore. The IDF has ordered it censored.
Channel 2’s military correspondent noted during the now-censored video segment that the coming year would be a “decisive one” concerning the Iran threat. We’ve been hearing that exact phrasing for years now. But this somehow doesn’t comfort me much.
The exercise included activation of missile defenses (e.g. Arrow, Patriot and Iron Dome) on the premise that Syrian and Hezbollah missiles from the north, and Hamas missiles from the south, would be fired on Israeli cities.
A separate story about a different military exercise, this one conducted by the Home Front civil defense forces describes a computer war game-simulated missile attack. The story begins with this mock-jaunty opening:
You may not have been paying attention but Tel Aviv today went up in flames, at least virtually. Conventional and chemical weapons were fired from Syria and Lebanon and landed throughout the city including in Bloomfield Stadium. The city apparently will be target #1 for missiles and rockets.
The report continue by praising the sophistication of the computer simulator built for the IDF by Elbit, the Israeli weapons manufacturer saying it’s just like “the real thing,” using the latest intelligence projections offered by the IDF, which presumably means it somehow reproduces the thousands of dead bodies that might be littering the streets of the city after an Iranian, Syrian or Lebanese counterattack following an Israeli attack.
A Walla report notes that for a training exercise conducted last Wednesday throughout the Negev, all flights to Eilat were diverted to Jordanian airspace to clear the area.
It seems to me these reports serve two purposes: they condition Israelis for war, which in turn makes them more likely to expect and even support it when it happens; they are a form of Psyops against Iran, Syria and Lebanon, Israel’s ostensible enemies in the looming conflict.
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No, I don’t see Israel having the nerve to attack.
The downside is beyond the acceptable loss levels.
This is strictly army psyops:
1) to perpetuate their existence and cash flow
2) to “scare” potential adversaries
Any ACTUAL attack would not bring about the destruction of the Iranian activities merely postpone them by a year or two.
The drawback would be that Iran would be willing to go to war at any time even WITHOUT the bomb and sustain an ongoing war for months at the time (remember the Iran/Iraq attrition war) while Israel can’t maintain that level
The Israel’s power to be just have not taken into consideration that Iran of 2010 is not Iraq of 1970.
I would agree with Nessim Dayan’s assessment that it would be crazy. But he’s a rational thinker. I believe the Israel powers-that-be are essentially insane and are prone to war, just like their sponsors in the USA.
Countering Richard01’s statement, they will have massive help from the US.
RE: “I believe the Israel powers-that-be are essentially insane and are prone to war, just like their sponsors in the USA.” – Gene Schulman
MY COMMENT: I suspect that the article below also explains what sometimes goes on with supporters of Israel (and why they sometimes seem to deny the obvious). Cognitive Dissonance Theory and ego-defense mechanisms might help explain a lot.
ARTICLE: Cognitive dissonance in free market economists ~ By Paul Rosenberg, Open Left, 10/29/10
ENTIRE ARTICLE –
Yes, highly unrealistic if you ask me.
I agree with Nessim Dayan; this is a phoney. Israel knows it can’t attack Iran wothout massive help from the US.
Which explains the massive financing poured into ads by Zionist benefactors to assist in a Republican takeover of Congress; a Republican takeover of Congress which will dispose of everything Obama proposes is step 2 leading they hope to Obama’s defeat (Step 3) and a Republican President eager to bomb Iran.
But why would a republican president bomb iran? Bush didn’t.
But Cheney wanted to. So all they need is nominate a candidate who is even more captive to the neocon-pro Israel movement than Bush was. A mini-me Cheney would do. Palin for sure. BTW, there won’t be a Republican president until at least 2012.
What would Cheney gain by bombing Iran? Iran’s not a threat to the US, at least not in a way that can be dealt with by bombs.
He favored at the very least an Israeli attack on Iran. He favored an attack on Iran because he bought the entire neocon Middle East agenda which advocated “bringing” democracy to the region through regime change if necessary.
Interesting! That also may explain why various people in Israel were reporting a profusion of war planes flying low over their homes on my twitter feed.
Meanwhile, the attempt to send sophisticated GPS-fused bombs, via UPS, to Synagogues in New York City, was foiled, not by the vigilant Mossad, ever ready to defend world Jewry, but by MI6 and Leicestershire Police, acting on information and help from the Dubai Police, treated with hatred and ridicule by a great many posters of comments to this blog.
I don’t know if Mossad have ever acted against Leicestershire Police, but they have certainly been hostile to MI6 and Dubai Police.
And using the anti-Iran exercises to also stir the pot between Turkey and Greece is remarkably anti-social.
Could it be that the success of MI6 as an intelligence service, stems from not pissing anybody off it can be helped, so as to keep the information coming?
The Telegraph says “Chicago” rather than NYC, but let’s see: Chicago is where a lot of parcels get sorted before being sent on.
There’s not going to be an attack. The potential benefit too small, the risk is large and the retaliation severe. Yet, MAD works only if your threat is credible so the IDF tries to back it up the best it can.
Letting channel 2 publish the story and than yank it is probably intentional.
There’s no need to condition the Israeli public for war but it could help the military budget though.
The F35-B shown in the picture won’t be in service for several years, and in the case of the IDF, probably not at all, as they have shown most interest in the larger F35-C variant being developed for the US Navy. Bigger fuel tank). No F-35 variant is able to carry the 5,000lb bunker-busters that the IDF has bought and would need to even touch most of the key facilities. The F15 is the only realistic platform for that weapon in IDF service, though the USAF’s B2 can apparently carry several in a rotating “clip”.
The bunker buster bomb is essentially an old howitzer barrel with a hardened steel nose at one end and a set of guidance fins at the other. You will read all kinds of stuff about depleted uranium, on all sorts of sites, but to my knowledge this isn’t the case and would offer no benefits to something penetrating concrete at that kind of speed.
The clever bit is the chemically inert lining that stops the explosive gradually becoming unstable in contact with the gunmetal. Without that, the bombs would probably detonate on the outside of bunkers rather than the inside.
In the biggest newspaper in Finland, Helsingin Sanomat, is today an interesting article. Finland has been asked to send (again) troops to UNIFIL. At present Finland doesn’t have troops there. In the article a Finnish expert and interestingly a unnamed Israeli diplomat are warning that there will be a new war next winter and ask what the troops will be doing there in the middle of a war.
Israel is loosing so fast ground on the diplomatic arena and in the eyes of the world’s public that it needs a new war and need it fast. During to 5 – 15 years it takes to sort out the mess of this coming larger war Israel will manage to take West Bank and might even manage to transfer much of the “less loyal population”. Israel probably wins this battle, but in the end it will loose the long war. Turkey has waken up and inevitably also EU will.
Even supporting such a war, which would be prolonged, as you say, would utterly drain the remaining resources of the United States, especially as nothing whatsoever has been done about the deficit.
Hopefully, the UK wouldn’t be so silly, and this may be the real reason for a chorus of anti-British hate from AIPAC’s finest in the Senate and Congress.
The wildcard is Germany, which has an odd relationship with Israel, and also appears to be the strongest Western economy by far at the moment.
It might be possible to explain some of Israel’s more bizarre choices, especially the alienation of its former ally, Turkey, in terms of purely German political agendas.
Unless Israel has a secret agreement with Germany to bankroll a war, it really would be folly to proceed because America’s finances, even if the White House were willing, wouldn’t stand the pace.
The dangers of embarking on a war on Germany’s say-so are profound:
As Austria (twice), Turkey, Italy, Hungary (twice) Romania and Japan can all testify.
To asses if an attack would come, one would need to determine what the targets of the attack would be.
for example Israel can asses that an attack on Iranian regime installations would force the Iranians to react against US targets and that act in it turn will force the US into a war with Iran. another option is destroying the Iranian nuclear capabilities by eliminating it’s major components installation.
i think an attack would come that would try to achieve both.
i think Israel would be supported by a western coalition, specially after the democrats would loose the majority in both houses this coming Tuesday.
No, not quite. It will TRY to destroy them, but it will not be able to do so. Most serious military analysts who’ve studied this prospect conclude that it would be a long, costly series of attacks w. absolutely no guarantee that it would substantially reduce Iran nuclear capability. Both Israeli AND U.S. analysts I might add.
You must not under American democracy. Foreign & military policy are not made by a Republican Congress, but rather by a Democratic president. A president highly unlikely to support the prospect you envision even if the Republicans take Congress. That’s what I like about Israelis like you–you’re utter narcissists who believe the world revolves around you & that your needs are identical with the world’s. You will meet a rude awakening one of these days & I hope it will be soon.
Besides direct damage to facilities, the plans, the designs and the technology is probably backed up at hundreds of sites. Most of the high level technical staff will survive the attack as well. Iran’s motivation to develop nuclear weapons will only increase.
An attack on Iran, without a regime change, will at best delay the program by a few years.
What do you suggest we do than?
May G-d bless the Israeli Air Force with the courage and strength to do what they have to to protect the Israeli people and the world from this modern hitler. And may G-d give us Israelis the courage and inner strength we will need to survive this bitter enemy. We’re not afraid, we’re prepared and are willing to do what it takes to finally rid ourselves of our enemies. And when it’s all over may we live to see this modern Haman and his ilk hang in the streets of Tehran.
This is precisely the type of lunacy that will lead to the world being rid of Israel, God forbid. You will lead to Israel’s self destruction w. utter insanity like this.
I don’t see what ‘s the problem. War with Iran is quite possible, and war with Syria, Hamas and Lebanon quite probably.
Today is my birthday (happy birthday me:) and in my 51 years here in Israel I’ve seen quite a number of wars.
So it would be criminal not to prepare for the next war.
Do you have issue with the possibility that the war will be opened by Israel? I trust Israel will not open a war unless it’s a must. We’re not irresponisble here.
“Today is my birthday . . . I trust Israel will not open a war unless it’s a must. We’re not irresponsible here.”
I see that you’ve already started the drinking. B’sahtek !
Interesting, the same root in Hebrew, sh-t-k (shtiya, noun for drink).
In fact, ‘b’sahtek’ means ‘to your health/security’ in Arabic.
To drink is the root sh-r-b.
Thank you for you nice greeting for my bridthday 🙂
Sorry for my mistake.
Yes, you have been drinking. But I’d like to see how punch drunk you are after the IDF officers comes to your home to tell your wife that you (if you’re still in miluim) or son or nephew or grandchild was killed in a war. That will wipe the smirk fr. yr face I imagine.
Thank you deeply for your wishes on my birthday.
Hamsa, Hamsa, Hamsa.
I have seen the effect of death in war on my family (though, thankfully, not in the immediate one). I’d much rather have death in battle than death in a Shoa. That’s why I live here, than in the Galut. That’s why my father served in the Hagana, why I was in the army, why my children were serving.
Shenit Massada lo tipol.
Did you ever ask your father about the things he did when he was part of the Hagana? From what I heard (from an old lady who had been part of the Hagana herself) they would take one or two Palestinians when they entered a town or village and execute them “so that the rest would leave by themselves”.
I think Benny Morris’ research confirms this.
As a teenager in Jerusalem, my father was mainly involved in distributing wall posters, a quite dangerous activity which might have led him to the British jail had he been caught.
He was later a Ratz (runner) – having the responsibility of passing written notes between Hagana posts.
Later on he was a radio operator. And, if I remember correctly, he was a military governor in cities liberated during the 1967 Six Days war.
In this his story symbolizes that of Israel – from resisting the British mandate to the creation of Israel and to liberating Arab held areas during later wars.
Thank you so much for inquiring and providing me with the opportunity to discuss my father!
I am glad to hear that your father was too young to be involved in the really dirty work. (And you are glad too?)
I see it was all a ‘liberation’, 1967 too. It makes me wonder how much more land you would hope to ‘liberate’ in the next war you seem to be rooting for.
I hate to say this but this absolute obsession with the Holocaust as an event that not only happened once historically, but will happen as a certainty is close to a psychopathology.
Ah, a Beitarnik, not to mention likely Likudnik. That says a lot. (“Masada shall not fall again” which is the equivalent of Kahane’s “Never again”) These are the very same meshuganehs who are leading Israel off that Masada cliff, high above the Dead Sea.
“Masada shall not fall again”
Didn’t they commit a collective suicide up there ? Is that what Avi is trying to tell us ??
He means next time Jews face ‘Romans’ (cf. Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, you know the drill) they should blast them to smithereens before they ever get to Masada. I presume B-52s or nuclear weapons would do the trick.
Sorry, Richard, I but failed to get your meaning there. As you may remember, my English is less than perfect.
Are you analyzing me psychiatrically for worrying about the Holocaust? For wanting to be able to defend myself?
And are you saying that because I don’t want Israel to fall and everyone dear to be massacred, I’m a Likudnik? Or that all Likudiks, the leading part in Israel, are lunatics?
How easy it is to put labels. But I’d expect some more serious, less personal arguments.
I’m saying you & other Israelis who share yr beliefs have a psychopathological condition akin to Samson being willing to bring down the temple in order to gain revenge against his enemies. You repeated a Beitar slogan. You know what Beitar is & you know it’s connection to the Israeli far right. Don’t play dumb. If you want to read a terrific essay on the Masada syndrome in Israeli political life read Baruch Kimmerling. You might learn a thing or two.
For those who don’t know KHamsa (I don’t know why people always mix-up the h’ and the kh’, two letters completely different as far as pronounciation is concerned, though they look a bit alike, with and without a dot on top, even the wikipedia-entry must have been written by a Hebrew-speaker)
I think you’ve got a bit of a chip on your shoulder about this pronounciation thing.
Yes, technically it should be written “khamsa” (or maybe even “khamsah”?), but there are often foreign words incorporated into English which receive an English form of spelling. I don’t believe the so called Hebrew pronounciation has any influence as to how the many English-Pakistani-Muslims, for example, will spell or pronounce the word in English. English has no “official” transliteration for the letter that begins the word hamsa\khamsa, but I’m sure most English speakers, including Muslims, would prefer writing “hamsa” and not rely on a dipthong which complicates pronounciation.
I believe the correct phonetic way of writing it is a k with a line under it, but may be wrong.
I similarly find annoying calling Yerushalayim or Ursalem Al Quds “Jerusalem” in English – who gave them the stupid “J” !!!??? Same for Jaffa, Acre, etc. That’s simply what happens when words get translitterated.
There’s no Zionist plot here to bastardise Arabic spelling but a natural phillological process of translitteration and adoption by a foreign language. You don’t need to look for Zionists under the bed!
In Dutch and many other languages J is pronpounced as Y in English, so it fits Yerushalayim a bit better. But as to the pronunciation of foreign words in (any) language, you are right of course: Things are as they are. Dutch ‘manneken’ for instance turns up as ‘mannequin’ in French and English, ‘bolwerk’ is ‘bulwark’, ‘schacht’ is ‘shaft’ and so on.
What I don’t get though is what is meant with “Hamsa, hamsa hamsa!” in this context in the first place!
I looked it up but did not get further than : “Little hand-shaped amulet, little hand shaped amulet, little hand-shaped amulet!’
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Hamsa means literally “five” and is also used to denote an amulet or other depiction of a “deformed” five-fingered hand which is symmetrical having as it were two thumbs instead of the little finger.
It tradionally is used by both Muslims and Jews in the middle east (only?) as a charm to ward off the “evil eye”, and thus may be seen in many houses on walls, doors, etc.
People often say “hamsa hamsa hamsa” also to ward off the “evil eye” if something was just said or done that may be construed to be negative as if by doing so they will be immediately countering the negative word or thing by invoking “hamsa”.
Does it work? Well it doesn’t hurt…
“Israeli news reported a series of critical war games conducted with the Greek air force (take that Turkey!)”
Nice touch there on the end. Greece is a light-weight militarily compared to Turkey, so you’re right it’s merely a poke in the eye at Turkey. I imagine Greece is in desperate need of funds these days and so they’ll pretend to care about Israel’s Iran problem for as long as it benefits Greece.
It certainly looks like there’s a flurry of activity in terms of psyops both in Israel and in the U.S. and behind the scenes maneuvering to set the stage for war.
It’s like the case of American Zionists prepping the war in Iraq from the Office of Special Plans, working frantically behind the scenes with Israeli agents to fabricate a smoking gun meanwhile in public pretending that Israel had no involvement in the preparation for war in Iraq.
There are enough radicals in Israel’s government today to put this insane plan to strike Iran in motion, and there are others who pretend to be less radical looking for an excuse to make it happen. The question that I’m sure is being tossed around is how do you make it palatable to America when America is suffering from war fatigue? How do you fire up America’s masses for war, because DVD’s and propaganda aren’t cutting it? So this is what worries me. What is Israel up to in the shadows; what insane plan are Israelis hatching to get Americans on board? Or will Israel just say “hell, we don’t need anyone’s approval”; go at it alone and unleash the consequences on everyone? Whatever the scenario being cooked up, it all STINKS.
Speaking of stinky, fishy but off-topic, here are some disturbing developments in Israel’s march towards apartheid:
and exporting fascism to America:
It’s great that you remembered to mentioned the American Zionists (a.k.a. Jews) and the radical (in the plain or pretending otherwise) Israelis scheming insane plans in the shadows.
However, I must take some points off your grade because you forgot the black plague, Jews poisoning the drinking waters, and the whole issue of making Matza bread out of Christian kids.
Undoubtedly part of the long conditioning process. There is some form of military exercise in urban areas every few weeks, here are a few I personally experienced recently while in the office: testing the bomb sirens (“don’t worry it’s not for real”), bomb shelter drills (“everyone go down in single file”), bomb crisis maneuvers (“Dan is late because he’s stuck in traffic waiting for the roads to reopen”). And after all that, you routinely hear comments like “well, that must mean a war is really coming soon”.
Pls excuse me for replying out of context – couldn’t figure how to reply above.
As you brought my mental health to this discussion, I’d like to correct your analysis.
I’m not seeking revenge. I’m seeking security. If I think that the Jewish state is endangered by the Iranians (or by anyone else) I’ll consider myself compelled to strike.
Israel was saved on 1967 when it hit first. It was almost destroyed on 1973 when it refrained from striking because of “Ma Yagidu” (“what will they say”). I was there as a child and as a teen ager. Please believe me 1967 was much nicer.
I’m willing to go to great length to keep Israel alive. Masada shall not fall again and the Jewish land shall preserve, so that we’ll never again be like dust in the Diaspora, the Galout where you live. Where Jews may live safely (even they’re not allowed to the local country club) till the Paritz say they may not.
I don’t know about the mysterious Jewish state to which you refer, but Israel isn’t endangered by Iran & the fact that you are compelled to strike it despite this fact indicates you are a danger to the world, which is why I mention your psychopathology.
Israel wasn’t in existential danger in 1967 either. Its forces were far superior to the Egyptians as proven by the results. It did hit first launching a pre-emptive war, one of many wars of aggression it has initiated.
Dust? Is that what we are? Your condescension & disrespect I find repulsive. Absolutely repulsive.
Wow, this attitude is so antediluvian I don’t think I’ve seen it this bad in some one in decades. You sound like you’re of Ben Gurion’s generation. Can you be that old & that bound by such out of date classical Zionist delusions? We don’t have princes or landed gentry decide who belongs to country clubs. You may be confusing America with Poland, which sounds like where your wild notions come from. In case you didn’t realize it Poland isn’t America.
BTW, you’ve ignored the fact that Israeli Jews themselves are forbidding Israeli Palestinians from belonging to Israel’s Jewish “country clubs,” this is moshavim and other communities which prohibit them from joining based on their ethnicity. An op ed by Mordechai Kremnitzer says this on the subject:
Your statement brought this to mind. So is Israel a Jewish paradise because it allows you to do to yr fellow Palestinians citizens what the Polish gentry used to do to Polish Jews?
Your snark in reply to Kalea is totally off-topic, witless & offensive.
Please, please try to avoid ad hominem, pseudo psychiatric derogatory remarks.
Second, I apologize if I hurt you feelings re “dust” issue. No personal insult was intended. However, I feel a little clarification of is needed:
I have huge respect and admiration to the U.S.A. It’s a tower of freedom and progress.
However, we Zionist have understood (much before that youngster, Ben Gurion) that Jews can lead a complete life and realize their full potential only in their own land, Israel.
In every other country there comes a time where the indigenous population seeing people “working frantically behind the scenes” “up in the shadows”, hatching “insane plans”.
Now, this doesn’t always happen. But it did happen, many times, and it will again.
Of course in the states it’s much less probable, as the country is a melting pot and a democracy. But “it can never happen here” was, indeed, the motto of Jews in Spain, Germany and Poland, all magnificent Jewish centers at the time.
And bringing the Palestinians into the discussion just clouds the issue: Is Israel the place for the Jewish people, and does it have the right to defend itself – even considering preemptive strikes – against the threat from the Iranians and their terrorist strongholds to the south and north.
No, you completely misunderstand my anger. It is not personal or based on hurt feelings. My anger is based on very profound philosophical differences I have with the moribund notions of classical Zionism you espouse. They are profoundly damaging to contemporary Israel and relations w the Diaspora. As far as I’m concerned your own views are worth dust & I despise them. It’s not personal at all. It’s political, philosophical & very deep. So don’t try to gloss over this with apologies for personal insult. That has nothing to do w. it.
As far as I’m concerned your Zionism is dead dinosaur Zionism. It is not the Zionism I espouse nor the Zionism even espouse by most Israelis today. You were educated in some bygone school of some bygone era. Contemporary Jewish life has passed you by & you’re beached like a dead whale on the shores of Jewish history. We can smell the rotting flesh of yr ideas even as you write them down here.
That doesn’t clarify anything. It merely means you respect a country but think its Jewish citizens are worthless pieces of dust as long as they remain there. That’s again profound disrespect.
You read that in some dusty tome sitting up on a shelf in the Zionist national library somewhere. How dull, how dreary, how completely out of touch with reality. Could you do us a favor and go to sleep for another 100 yrs liek Rip Van Winkle. As far as you’re concerned, you won’t miss much because your views haven’t changed in about 100 yrs.
Hey, you must be talking about our contemporary Tea Party movement. Yes, there are such lunatics. But unlike you, we here in America understand that they don’t rule our country, never will in fact. We don’t give up on democracy. We know it is strong enough to withstand such abuse. You on the other hand don’t trust democracy to work because of your distorted reading of Jewish history.
“It can’t happen here” was a PR slogan devised by Meir Kahane & his ilk. I don’t know any serious person who’s ever said anything so dumb.
Yes, you would say that wouldn’t you. How perfect. Palestinians do complicate things unecessarily don’t they. If only you could rid yrself of the inconvenience. It would make things so much more clear & simple.
No, it has no right to a preemptive attack on a country which poses no tangible threat to it. And the world will bellow in anger if Israel arrogates this right to itself. And you will pay a heavy price in many many ways if you are so foolish as to do so.
Calling my opinions “moribund”, “worth dust” and “despised” don’t make them less correct. And saying that “your Zionism is dead dinosaur Zionism” reminds me of those funny hoodlums in a grade B action movies shouting: “Your Kung-Fu is shit”.
Jews in the Galut are missing on fulfilling their own potential. I said I admire the USA because there Jews can feel they lead a full life – A Jew can even become the President. However, my feeling is that even so a Galut is a Galut: I’ve given you three examples (Poland, Spain and Germany) where Jews prospered and thought they were very secure and it turned out they weren’t.
Re changes in my views: Between 1967 and 1973 I thought Arabs were helpless clowns. Around the eighties I thought Arabs could be our best friends, but Palestinians are bloody terrorists with blood on their hands. During the Oslo area I thought there’s a chance for peace if we just progress fast enough. After the Intifada broke I understood we have no partner.
About two days ago I thought I could have a nice issue based with no personal insults conversation with a specific American Jew and maybe learn – or teach – something. Now I don’t.
So – my views changed with time. Did yours?
Israel is the country for Jews.
Jews in the Galut – even in the U.S. – don’t realize their full potential.
Israel has the right to defend itself.
Such self defense includes preemptive strikes.
Of course, actions must have justifications and always have consequences.
P.S. – Your Kung-Fu is shit! 😉
They aren’t correct.
You’ve spent far too much time watching Hong Kong action movies. Have you graduated to slumming through the blog world defending Israel fr. evildoers?
I’m fulfilling my Jewish potential just fine thank you in the Diaspora. I don’t need Israel to do that. Israel is part of my Jewish identity, but not all of it & certainly not more imporant than other parts.
He may, but he can’t yet because he hasn’t. But hopefully that will come.
The U.S. is vastly different than ea. of yr 3 examples. Vastly more stable, more democratic, more tolerant, etc.
Funny how much of the world these days thinks that a good number of Israelis are bloody terrorists w. blood on their hands.
And Muslims and Christians and Druze and Bedouin. Or did you forget them?
Not self defense, but a war of aggression.
And pls. don’t bother summarizing yr views in this fashion, ever. That’s repetition & no one needs to hear you repeat yr views. Once is enough, believe me.
* don’t make them less correct
* They aren’t correct.
My view may be correct or incorrect, but calling them names don’t make the less correct. This is basic politeness.
* I’m fulfilling my Jewish potential just fine thank you in the Diaspora.
I was not talking about Jewish potential. I’m speaking about human potential. And please consider that most of the Diaspora is very different than liberal US
* The U.S. is vastly different than ea. of yr 3 examples.
Of course, and I said I admire the states. However please notice that the Jews in Pre-Nazi Germany, Pre-Occupation or pre Helmenizky Poland and Pre-Inquisition Spain also thought very highly of their country.
* Funny how much of the world…
Yes, I know. And that’s on GOOD days.
* And Muslims and Christians….
There’s something in a discussion called simplification. Agree on an issue, and proceed to the next one.
* And pls. don’t bother summarizing yr views
So you KNOW how to be polite!
Summarizing views is useful because it helps clarify the point and remove unnecessary emotions. For example, I still don’t know YOUR views, and I’d be thankful if you can summarize them – What are we arguing upon (except for me having a psychopathology and old fashioned views?
Useful for you since it’s you who are blathering on enjoying the sound of yr own voice. The rest of us–not so much. So don’t summarize & don’t make up yr own personal rules for this blog. Follow mine. Read them.