18 thoughts on “Enlisting Krav Maga in the War for Israel – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. First Israeli tourists are spreading propaganda, now this??? Are we to look forward to a domestic “training program” that will teach our young people to act like IDF thugs?

    Even more despicable is that this is just an example of rabid Zionists presuming to speak for all Jews. All they’re doing is ramping up anti-Semitism to new and dangerous levels.

    1. Even more despicable is that this is just an example of rabid Zionists presuming to speak for all Jews

      That’s just part of their game. Part of their strategy. So that when anyone attempts to criticize a Zionist, they can claim they’re being antisemitic and dismiss them. They use Judaism and the rest of the Jewish people as a shield, and it’s disgusting.

    1. First off, I’d like to apologize for the tone of my original comment. It was provoked by what I perceived as the harsh and unfairly critical tone of the article, which includes what I consider an inflammatory picture and caption of Israeli police arresting masked men.

      The comment by the owner is just a typical marketing technique by martial artists promoting their school of karate over another school that is 99.9% the same. There are three instructor certification organizations for Krav Maga in the USA that are recognized as legitimate: Krav Maga World Wide, the Israeli Krav Maga Association, and the Krav Maga Association Of America. Additionally, Krav Maga is taught in Israel at the Wingate Institute olympic center and by the IDF. Furthermore there are various competitors to the style, such as “Commando Krav Maga” that is widely viewed as illegitimate.

      Each organization promotes its brand of Krav Maga as the best version, and there is much bloviating on all sides about who is the best. The comment about by how this particular school of Krav Maga is like a Kosher Torah is just more of the same marketing BS. Nothing more.

      That said, what is wrong with feeling a connection to a culture through a style of fighting? Japanese Americans feel a connection to Japan by learning karate. Thai Americans get a cultural connection by learning kickboxing. It is a world wide phenomenon.

      Wanting to fight for Israel and having fighting spirit is different than knowingly committing a human rights violation. The whole point of Krav Maga was that it was a scientific fighting style taught to an oppressed people who viewed themselves as physically weak and non-athletic, who formed an army in the face of overwhelming force.

      Israel, the IDF, and Krav Maga are certainly not replacements for traditional Jewish religion…they are a small part of what make up the physical power of the State of Israel. But the underlying philosophy of Krav Maga and the State of Israel is the spirit of Israel.

      Not by might, and not by power, but by spirit alone, we shall all live in peace.

      1. Israeli police arresting masked men.

        Once again you’ve proven you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Those “masked men” are actually Border Police using handkerchiefs to conceal their identity fr. the Palestinian protestors. This is standard uniform for undercover police officers. They’re assaulting Palestinians who they’ve knocked to the floor & being watched over by mounted police. Now is yr opinion changed by the disgusting image?

        Wanting to fight for Israel and having fighting spirit is different than knowingly committing a human rights violation.

        When so much of what the IDF does involves human rights violations, how can you make this claim?

        But the underlying philosophy of Krav Maga and the State of Israel is the spirit of Israel.

        Not by might, and not by power, but by spirit alone

        Omigod, you’re misappropriating one of the most wonderful spiritual utternaces of our Prophets in order to make a claim that Israel is a spiritual state. How despicable! Do you even understand what you’re writing? Or are you clueless in that sense as well. The State of Israel is far from realizing the beautiful sentiment of that quotation that I can’t possibly relate to yr comment w. anything other than outright disgust.

        1. You are misinterpreting my comments. It is impossible to tell from the picture if excessive force was used.

          >When so much of what the IDF does involves human rights violations, how can you make this claim?

          Most Israelis are members of the IDF. Therefore, all Israelis are human rights violators. Come on, give me a break. We all understand that being in the IDF is a rite of passage for young Israeli adults. The IDF has been bringing American teenagers and tourists onto bases for decades now. This is nothing new.

          The IDF is an essential agency of Israel. Without it, Israel would not exist. By saying that every member of the IDF is a de facto human rights violator you imply that Israel should not exist as a modern nation state. And you ignore the absolutely horrifying war crimes and crimes against humanity that Arabs have brought to bear against Israel (Hamas and Iraqi rocketing civilians, terrorist attacks, bombings, etc)

          1. Oh you mean having massive horses trampling near the heads of prone men, who in turn are towered over by masked men who are pummeling & arresting them doesn’t allow you to tell what’s going on? Do you think that Israeli undercover agents offer ice cream cones to Palestinians at such demonstrations?

            Most Israelis are members of the IDF

            No, most Israeli Jews serve in the IDF. That doesn’t mean they ARE members of the IDF (btw Israeli Palestinians don’t serve). But yes, most people who serve in the IDF when they serve do commit human rights violations. It comes w. the territory.

            The IDF is an essential agency of Israel. Without it, Israel would not exist.

            That is debatable. But certainly it’s true that a country that seeks to dominate another people & steal its land does need an army as violent and brutal as the IDF is.

            you imply that Israel should not exist as a modern nation state.

            No, that’s what YOU said. Not what I said nor what I believe. An Israel that doesn’t maintain an Occupation & recognizes a Palestinain state & withdraws to 67 borders could maintain a perfectly reasonable army that wouldn’t have to violate the rights of anyone.

            you ignore the absolutely horrifying war crimes and crimes against humanity that Arabs have brought to bear against Israel

            And you ignore the fact that the IDF has killed 10 times as many Palestinian civilians as the Palestinians have killed Israeli civilians. Why would you ignore that?

      2. Japanese Americans feel a connection to Japan by learning karate. Thai Americans get a cultural connection by learning kickboxing.

        Oh, puleeeeeze. If Japanese-Americans, Thai-Americans, Korean-Americans, or Chinese Americans feel a connection to their countries of ancestry by learning Karate, “Kick boxing”, Taekwondo, or Kung Fu it is because those are ancient traditional martial arts forms have been part of the regional culture for thousands of years. They evolved organically over many centuries along with very developed honourable philosophies, and rules of practice. This “Krav Maga” thing does not belong in the same sentence with traditional eastern martial arts.

        The whole point of Krav Maga was that it was a scientific fighting style taught to an oppressed people…

        Oh, come on. Israeli people are oppressed? Do you think you are addressing a bunch of morons here?

          1. You mean the European Jews engaged in violent resistance against oppression?! Horrors! How can this BE?

  2. At the risk of incurring the wrath of Richard again, you do know about Imi Lichtenfeld and the creation of Krav Maga, don’t you?

    Given its origins I doubt many Jews would have problems with learning it.

    And if learning Krav Maga caused anti-semitism (does learning karate cause anti-Sinoism?), well the problem solves itself, soesn’t it?

    1. “And if learning Krav Maga caused anti-semitism (does learning karate cause anti-Sinoism?), well the problem solves itself, soesn’t it?”

      That’s the sort of macho BS that gives some martial artists a bad name.

    2. Fool. Karate is Japanese, not Chinese. The more clever you try to show yourself the more you prove what an ignorant ass you really are.

  3. “My mistake-on karate.

    Anybody’s mistake on the origins of Krav Maga?”
    – Dave Boxthorn

    If a person knows anything about martial arts they know something about Imi Lichtenfeld and his system for smashing anti-Semitic Czechs and Sudetenland Nazis, but do you know how Krav Maga works? It has no real rules, so it is endlessly flexible, but it focuses on how to so badly beat up an opponent that they can’t attack again* and to get to that point as quickly as possible. Other martial arts (because they have developed into a form of sport) have defined “end points” for fights, but Krav Maga (which is a form of military-grade self defence) doesn’t except in training. Also, the Israeli martial art has no tournaments, forms of rank, symbolic etiquette, etc. – it is purely a tool that can turn ordinary people into real pain technicians, and it was really meant for serious people, not weekend warrior types.
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    * Certainly people can “tap out” and quit, but Krav Maga is designed so that the user can break bones if necessary.

    1. it focuses on how to so badly beat up an opponent that they can’t attack again

      That’s a perfect characterization of Jabotinsky’s philosophy of how to cow the Arabs into submission.

      it is purely a tool that can turn ordinary people into real pain technicians

      A perfect tool for the IDF & definitely something that warms the cockles of my heart.

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