14 thoughts on “Dershowitz the Tummeler* – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. FROM ABOVE: [He] received thousands of emails from Jews opposing Obama during the election campaign…Dershowitz is convinced that many were from “extreme right-wing Jews” and that some were “out-and-out racist.”

    I DO GET SOME SATISFACTION OUT OF HIS HAVING RECEIVED A DOSE OF HIS OWN MEDICINE*!!!!!

    *reference: Norman Finkelstein

  2. @Michael W: Many comments, but one that stood out for me was when he diminished the suffering of Lebanese civilians during the last war by saying that they were collateral damage, that if they hadn’t supported Hezbollah this wouldn’t have happened to them, etc, etc. He actually claimed that it was more or less acceptable for Israel to kill Lebanese civilians since it was prosecuting a “just war.” You can be damn sure he would never say the same about Israeli civilians, whose lives are always to be supremely valued in his eyes.

  3. Dershowitz is that curious creature, the Zionist liberal hawk, what we call in Israel, the “Hey-I-am-also-against-the-Occupation” kinda guy. The Brits have “Engage”; the French have Finkelkraut and Henri-Levi; the Israelis have the merzaz ha-leumani (the ultra-nationalist center.) These are people who view themselves as liberal, but who are always the first to compromise their principles when dealing with their own tribe.

    But — is Obama so different from Dershowitz on Afghanistan? Dershowitz and many like him, represent the ultra-nationalist center in this country. In his over-the-top criticisms of the Carter, Finkelstein, and Chomsky, he is an embarrassment, but is he so out of the mainstream. Unfortunately, not.

    Progressives have a lot of work to try to convince the younger generation of Democrats, culturally more diverse than the older one, that the Carters are right and the Dershowitzes wrong. We don’t have the money, but –I believe — history will be on our side.

  4. You always seem a little too quick to call people with whom you disagree racist. The comments you mentioned do not seem racist at all.

    Like him or not, Dersh has achieved a heck of a lot more than you have. Jealousy perhaps?

  5. @AD: So let me make sure I understand you. Believing it’s OK to kill Lebanese civilians as collateral damage in pursuit of a “just” war is OK; but killing Israeli civilians is not OK. That’s not racist. Not a bit. Am I right?

    Der Dersh has achieved quite a bit. He saved Claus von Bulow from the electric chair; destroyed Norman Finkelstein’s career; bought some baubles at Lev Leviev’s jewelry emporium to show his support for Israeli settlements & rub Adalah NY’s nose in it. Those are achievements of which he can be proud.

  6. Why cant you at least when engaging in an argument at least try and present an intelligent rational one you said I quote Dersh’s accomplishments –

    saving von Bulow, destroying Finkelstein, and lev leviev’s jewlry emporium lol@!

    You know Johnny Cochran is considered a great lawyer by many folks for getting a double murderer off… by that standard Dershowitz getting von Bulow off would be nearly as remarkable. I personally find both outcomes detestable however remarkable nonetheless.

    Second, the Allies bombed Germany and America, the Army and the President accepted those bombings which killed civilians for sure as ok well then they were all racist as well you see!

    I believe the intent of what Dershowitz was doing was not to justify and hope for civilian deaths but to explain that unfortunately it was going to be an outcome no matter what Israel did. And he was standing with cajones against the instantaneous mad flow of criticism Israel receieves worldwide whenever they are in any type of conflagration even when it’s brought on by Hezbollah here.

    Amplified by the fact that Hezbollah which you would think wouldn’t need to? often lies and distorts in news report feeds, which they were caught doing…

    And something you are guilty of is NEVER admitting that this is a fact… nor that Hezbollah will fire rockets from houses and then dissappear… thus, Israel should not be allowed to fire back since they are firing from civilian areas… Further, to round off the story a bit more, when has a country at war ever dropped leaflets for days ahead of time warning anyone not with Hezbollah to get out bcs they will be attacking? but Israel didn’t do it ahead of time enough is the problem… they should have done it weeks ahead of time…

    As for Finkelstein the “brave coward he is” he went on Al Manar, (why don’t you analyze the hate on that) and basically goaded and challenged Hezbollah to fight Israel recently… and comparing everything to Nazi Germany…. the Israelis the Nazis and the Lebanese and Arabs the Jews….
    It’s rather comical and pathologically sad to listen to someone who is criticizing mainstream jewry and Israel for mentioning the Holocaust and Germany too much yet every other word out of his mouth is a reference, put down, slur or allusion/comparison to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust?

    No hypocrisy there.

  7. @Benny M:

    the Allies bombed Germany and America, the Army and the President accepted those bombings which killed civilians for sure

    Indiscriminate attacks like those on Dresden which killed up to 500,000 (if memory serves) in a single night were indeed war crimes & should have been judged as such along with Nazi crimes.

    Similarly, Israel’s attacks on Lebanon were often against non-military targets and were specifically designed to demoralize the civilian population & turn it against Hezbollah–a strategy which failed miserably.

    You’ve accepted the rightist propaganda that Hezbollah’s firing from civilian areas justified Israel’s massive attacks on targets which had nothing to do with Hezbollah, but everything to do with Lebanon’s civilian infrastructure.

    And yes, Israel dropped leaflets telling civilians to abandon their homes & then promptly attacked civilian convoys attempting to do just that. Even ones which had contacted the UN & Israelis notifying them of their non-hostile intent. If it happened once, you could argue it was a mistake. But it happened more than once. Not to mention that by the time Israel dropped those leaflets there simply was no means by which civilians could flee w/o getting caught in the crossfire, which many civilians did.

    Finkelstein viewed Israel’s invasion of Lebanon as evil. In his view, that meant supporting Hezbollah’s defense of Lebanese territory. I thought Israel’s invasion was evil too, at least as it was prosecuted by the IDF. But I didn’t support Hezbollah or see them as national saviors as Finkelstein did. Regardless, none of that justified Dershowitz’s sleazy campaign to interfere in the academic process at an institution with which he had nothing to do.

    Your characterization of Finkelstein’s views are so simplistic, sloppy & reductionist as not even worth refuting. Come back when you’re ready to be more serious instead of shouting slogans.

  8. Richard – Your loathing of the Dersh is well-founded, but I think you greatly underestimate him. I think he is very highly regarded in important circles and lays important intellectual groundwork for defending Israel’s worst sins and demonizing Arabs and Muslims. I find him superficially very articulate and convincing (not to me, of course). One must really analyze his work in detail to uncover the depth of his depravity and dishonesty. As you yourself acknowledge, one of his achievements was the Finkelstein tenure denial. That is quite recent and no mean feat. He is a tireless propagandist and I think he is far more influential than you make him out to be.

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