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  1. @Alexis: God, I just read Rosner’s comments. Thanks for pointing them out to me. All he can muster is that unnamed polling experts “laughed” at the questions? And the questions were too long? That’s the extent of his critique? Well, in truth there are a few feeble attempts in his piece to deal with substance. But as usual he makes a racket w/o making much sense.

    JTA’s coverage, however, is even more noxious and distorted.

  2. Even if “J-street” were able to claim that they represent the views of a majority of American Jewry (which they don’t), they do NOT represent the views of the majority of Americans who are strongly pro-Israel, and these people are non-Jews. As early as the 1850’s and 1860’s, American politicians such as President Lincoln were expressing themselves in favor of the establishment of a Jewish state, and this was at a time when Jewish political power was negligible. Thus, were the majority of American Jewry were to support American pressure on the Israeli government, in a way that endangered Israeli interests and security, far more pro-Israel American voters would oppose it. Thus, as I see it, J-Street is irrelevant regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict.

  3. To tell the truth, the poll results are more to the “Right” than I would have expected, considering just uninformed most American Jews are about what is going on in Israel. Take for example, the one that says 58% say they support Israel giving up the Golan for “peace”. Most Israelis will tell you that that isn’t a true option. If I were to point out to the person being polled that the choice Israel faces is whether to have the Golan without peace with Syria, or to give the Golan to Syrian and still not have peace with her, you will get a different answer. If you ask someone “are you for peace”? you know what the answer will be.
    In any event, Richard, aren’t you surprised that ONLY 52% say that Israel should give up Judea/Samaria settlement expansion (considering that few people being polled have ever visited a settlement or know anything about their history), and that a majority opposes outright dividing Jerusalem? So how can J-street claim their positions are the ones that “really” represent American Jewry?

  4. @bar_kochba132:

    Actually, I’d say the view you just expressed were far more irrelevant than J Street’s. Because Abe Lincoln supported a Jewish state that means that non Jews would rise up against any American government that decided to pressure Israel to make territorial concessions? What are you smokin’??

  5. @bar_kochba132:

    If I were to point out to the person being polled that the choice Israel faces is whether to have the Golan without peace with Syria, or to give the Golan to Syrian and still not have peace with her…

    And you’ve gained this insight into prognosticating the future of Israel-Syria relations how???

    There were only 2-3 questions on which the answers disappointed me. There were 20 or more for which the answers comforted & reassured me. I’ll take that outcome anyday.

  6. Richard,

    Do you really believe for a moment that Israelis really care what American Jews do trying to change policy in the US. We in Israel debate the issues with much more gusto then American Jews could only dream of without being called a traitor. But we debate the issues and policies with the full knowledge that our sons and daughters are risking their lives protecting our country.

    We know that there are Jews in America that have feelings for Israel one way or another. But until you “risk” your life and make a stand here all of you will be seen as arm-chair critics or supporters with little weight given to your actions.

  7. @Steve:

    Do you really believe for a moment that Israelis really care what American Jews do trying to change policy in the US.

    Smart ones do, but I guess not every Israeli is smart. Israelis like you who think that U.S. policy has little or not bearing on Israel are foolish. And if you think that American Jews have little or no bearing on that policy you are even more foolish.

    until you “risk” your life and make a stand here all of you will be seen as arm-chair critics or supporters with little weight given to your actions.

    I find it amusing that so many Israelis take their own narrow views as emblematic of what all Israelis believe. And this is such a tiresome line of argument which has been dusted off & tricked out in new clothes by so many who find the views of Diaspora Jews inconvenient to them.

  8. It’s true. There are still nearly 20 non-warmongering, non-racist, peace-seeking Jews in Israel.

    Maybe they can act as a counterweight to Israel’s latest monster-in-waiting: Netanyahu?

  9. This is a very hate filled and narrow minded bunch of idiots. You are not interested in the truth. You can’t handle the truth. Thank the gods there are only 20 of you alive on this planet.

  10. Rykart’s statement was meant to be deliberately provocative & sure enough, Steve rose to take the bait. I’d say a tad defensively. Any reasonable person would realize there are many non-racist, peace-seeking Jews in Israel–regardless of what Rykart says. Even Rykart prob. concedes that. But he’s certainly correct in the sense that there are not enough of such Israelis–at least not yet.

  11. This isn’t a fishing expedition. You play with peoples lives as a sport. Take a hard look in the mirror and you will see that arm-chair critics are at best not taken too seriously. Critics on the issues are fair game. But to fill a pot full with hatred and call it “meant to be deliberately provocative & sure enough, Steve rose to take the bait.” is a bit sick.
    Sorry but I really had hoped your blog would have been a bit more honest and serious in nature. It unfortunately turns out to be just another space full of hot air.

  12. Yeah. We’re hate filled. This, from a citizen of the state that attacks children on their way to school with rocks and clubs, which mercilessly beats journalists for exposing Israel’s sickening, racist crimes against old women, children, anyone who can’t defend himself.

    Sure.

    We’re the hateful ones.

    Go drown yourself, Steve.

  13. @Steve:

    You play with peoples lives as a sport.

    No, that would be the IDF soldiers who provoked teenage Palestinian boys armed w. stones to attack them & then killed several of them with live fire as Chris Hedges so memorably memorialized them. That would be playing w. people’s lives as sport.

    If arm chair critics aren’t taken seriously that would include you, wouldn’t it?

    And I must say that yr criticism cuts to the quick. I simply don’t know how I can go on after such devastating comments as yours. You’ll find much more conducive company at Jewlicious, Israellycool, Little Green Footballs, Atlas Shrugged, Pajamas Media & the like. Sorry we troubled yr complacency here.

  14. What a bunch of losers and sick human beings. Sad state of affairs. Pathetic angry old white men. Bye and may your dreams die for the sake of all humanity.

  15. @Steve:

    Oh Steve. You’ve cut me to the quick. How can I ever recover & lead a normal life after being put in my place so??

    My dreams of Israeli Palestinian peace will never die. But why so angry, Steve? Is yr version of Judaism so hateful toward yr fellow Jews? Unless, that is, you’ve excommunicated me fr. yr religion.

  16. A child who is abused for an extended period of time will, according to most therapists, later in life look for the same abuse. as a child that is loved unconditionally will look for that same love.
    Is it possible for a nation or group of people to act in a similar manner?
    The way Jewish citizens of Germany were treated under Hitler was horrific, and inhuman. As many Jews say the scars do not go away, only the infliction of their cause may disappear.
    When I look at that kind of suffering I realize that a healing must take place, and that healing goes through denial, anger, and finally to grief. I can attest to this personally.
    I do not want to hate Israel as it is insane to hate to begin with, yet as a nation they seem to be in the same position as said abused child. Sometimes the answer seems so simple, there is no avoidance of the process of grief, it is not easy, it is not fun, it is gut wrenching and very personal. This is the process that unavoidable for if it is not followed, the individual will act out of those fears and never be free, yet also may hurt others that they meet.
    If God is all powerful then why does God need be defended? God does not me or anyone to defend God, if God did, God would be just as faulty as we are. If I say your God is stupid would you smile at me and say, “that also”, or would you lash out at me trying to protect what needs no protection. To me that is a form of insanity, so I am grateful for Tikun Olam, and J street as they show me that there are Sons and Daughters of Israel that truly seek peace, and will find it one day.
    One of my favorite Jews said, “the meek shall inherit the earth.” I just can’t remember his name:)

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