Finally, the FBI pays a visit to someone who deserves one (as opposed to the thousands of Muslim-Americans who’ve received unwanted visits from local agents since 9/11). The Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has been monitoring Little Green Footballs’ comments section in which readers egg each other on to see who can spout more homicidal and hateful speech and thought against Muslims. After CAIR filed its complaints, FBI agents visited Charles Johnson twice. Here’s the little that he had to say about the incidents. I especially like the high moral dudgeon of this comment:
The premier Islamist front group is starting to go after the blogosphere, using the tools provided by our own society.
Imagine, Muslim-Americans have the same rights as red-blooded sons of America like Charles Johnson! It’s really quite shocking. Something ought to be done about it. Since domestic quarantine has fallen out of favor with the American people after the Japanese internment, maybe we can send all CAIR members to Guantanamo?
I’d like to know what Chuck and the G-men talked about; and I’d like to find out what was the content of the LGF comments. Anyone reading this who can provide more information would be most appreciated.
But you don’t actually need to see those comments, because new slime oozes every day at LGF. LGF Watch posts its own sampling of the delightful sentiments of Johnson’s readers:
Goat-fucking koranimals. Unlike my last war, this war, I may have to consider collecting a necklace of ears.
/loading more magazines/gotta finish post-FTX refit and weapons check.
Why do I get the feeling that Herbert Sobel, the author of this fetching comment hasn’t served in the IDF–or any army? Just a frustrated couch potato who gets himself off by talking like a Jewish Rambo.
Another commenter posted this about an alleged Hezbollah propaganda video Johnson offered to his readers:
I’m not goint to watch this. I’ve been pissed off enough this week about Muslims. I strongly suspect that they had some proud nationalistic Muslim music playing on this when it was packaged. I also strongly suspect that this will be shown in each and every Muslim school, some time between bombmaking 101 and recess where they play joooohead teather ball.
No, that’s not homicidal. Just full of despicable, scummy hate.
Whenever I read sentiments like this from LGF or its various blog hangers-on I feel as if I’ve waded into a vat full of dog shit. But I have to admit I sometimes feel the same way when I wade through some of the more spiteful comment threads at DailyKos, a site I’m proud to say from which I’ve been banned. I haven’t missed it.
The fellow at LGF just called you a liar about this post.
If you don’t sue him, you don’t have a hair on your chest…and the prophet raped a 9 year old girl.
I see you’ve left out some facts in your fantasy. Good show, old bean. Too bad this is all iny your tiny head. Why must you be fuled by lies and hate? Give peace a chance 🙂
Not surprising it takes a “civil right” advocate to advocate criminalizing free speech– that is any speech your don’t like. On the other hand, you are perfectly satisfied with people painting Israelis as the new Nazis. Anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish, anti-American speech you will die protecting, proudly holding the U.S. Constitution in your hand.
Let me remind you that not one of LGF contributors has yet been arrested, let alone convicted, of committing a violent act against any Muslim, while your put- upon ” innocent” Muslims have murdered and wounded quite a few Americans before and after 9/11, and even if you consider the last few months alone (Georgia, Seattle, California), and had been caught planning many more, including some new and ingenious way to blow up civilian airplanes, which goes a long way in explaining why they are being monitored (at least I hope they are) .
You truly remind me of the Communist Jews (some in my very family) who devotedly and blindly supported Stalin, while he was already building camps, getting ready to implement the second Holocaust.
You exhibit the same blindness. Too bad that you don’t seek that the FBI investigate CAIR, whose member were already charged with support of terrorism, rather than target the lgf . But I forget, financing organization that blows ups restaurants is not a crime, arresting person who carries a bomb and building a fence is a true act of state terrorism in the new-left’s handbook. It is very unfortunate that you, as a Jew, lend your support to the very people who want to destroy the only Jewish state in existence and who have made Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of the Zion into best-sellers.
My almost entire family was murdered by the Nazis, and I was forced to leave Poland by the Communist anti-Zionist government, thus I have very little sympathy for those who wish me and mine harm. Sorry, but I don’t buy your fake “liberalism,” even if you hide under the name of Tikkun Olam.
BTW, are you going to complain to the FBI about DailyKos?
Funny, it doesn’t say that they investigated “hate speech”. Which , afaik, is still protected by the 1st until there are actual calls for violence against specific individuals. But at that point they aren;t investigating “hate speech” any more.
“Whenever I read sentiments like this from LGF or its various blog hangers-on I feel as if I’ve waded into a vat full of dog shit.”
Then why do you read them??
A Response to Mr. Silverstein’s Falsehoods
“Finally, the FBI pays a visit to someone who deserves one (as opposed to the thousands of Muslim-Americans who’ve received unwanted visits from local agents since 9/11).”
This is not true. The FBI did not “visit” Johnson. He was contacted by telephone. Are you trying to be “fake but accurate”, Mr. Silverstein?
“… Little Green Footballs’ comments section in which readers egg each other on to see who can spout more homicidal and hateful speech and thought against Muslims.”
This is also not true. Yes, such comments are sometimes posted at LGF. And very often, those posts are met with disdain and disagreement by other LGF commenters. Why do you fail to mention the fact, Mr. Silverstein, that Johnson and LGF readers police themselves?
I have reported to Johnson, as others have, “homicidal” and other irresponsible reader posts. In fact, I’ve reported irresponsible reader comments to Johnson in last couple (or so) days, and Johnson has removed those comments from LGF.
Your accusation that LGF readers compete with each other to be hateful is a lie. If that were true, then I wouldn’t have reported the irresponsible commentary to Johnson, I would have tried to top it.
“After CAIR filed its complaints, FBI agents visited Charles Johnson twice.”
As stated above, that is a lie. Don’t you think a clarification is in order, Mr. Silverstein?
“Here’s the little that he had to say about the incidents.”
Your assertion that Johnson didn’t say much about the FBI investigation is also a lie, Mr. Silverstein. Johnson explained the incidents, and it’s my opinion that the FBI did the right thing in contacting Johnson.
The limited nature of your research in this matter shows that you are either sloppy, lazy, or an outright liar.
It might have saved you from the need to post a clarification.
“I’d like to know what Chuck and the G-men talked about; and I’d like to find out what was the content of the LGF comments. Anyone reading this who can provide more information would be most appreciated.”
Again, why didn’t you research the matter yourself? You could have saved yourself the trouble of posting a false article in need of clarification if you had done responsible research in the first place.
Nevertheless, since you seem to have missed it, may I direct you to this post: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22010
“Whenever I read sentiments like this from LGF or its various blog hangers-on I feel as if I’ve waded into a vat full of dog shit.”
There’s a dog loose at your site, too, Mr. Silverstein. He must be invisible to you.
The FBI’s involvement is bad enough for Johnson and for LGF. Nevertheless, I agree with the FBI’s actions. Your lies and half truths make it appear much worse than it really is. Is this on purpose?
The truth should be good enough, Mr. Silverstein.
“Finally, the FBI pays a visit to someone who deserves one (as opposed to the thousands of Muslim-Americans who’ve received unwanted visits from local agents since 9/11).”
Indeed, if another major terror attack occurs on the US soil, it will be Charles Johnson who will perpetrate it and under no circumstances the perpetrators can be Muslim. Give me a chime, Mr. Silverstein, when you come up with another brilliant thought.
Just a little note for you, Mr. Silverstein.
You might want to look up Adam Czerniaków on Google. Just to help you out, here is the link to Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Czerniakow
Remember, the members of Judenraths were still sent to the same gas chambers.
They might come after me first because I am a Jew, they might come after Mr. Johnson because he is on our side, but in the end they will still come after you. But at least Mr. Johnson and I will still fight.
Good luck, Mr. Czerniakow. Oops, I meant “Mr. Silverstein”.
Eric.
“Whenever I read sentiments like this from LGF or its various blog hangers-on I feel as if I’ve waded into a vat full of dog shit.”
Your quote, Mr. Silverstein. I can’t imagine using an analogy that I am not familiar with. So, I am curious, do you spend a lot of time wading in vats of dog shit?
Mr. Silverstein, you need to get arrest warrants for all those bad LGF readers. I mean, every one of them should be thrown in jail and tortured, Abu Ghraib style, don’t you think?
By the way, Richard, you forgot to include the hateful comments, cartoons etc. about Jews found all over the internet. However, I guess you give the people who create those a pass. After all, they’re just thrird worlders who don’t know better, right?
/sarc
(that means “sarcasm now off”).
By the way, we may be related, which could explain your behavior. Lots of inbreeding in the shtetls in my family.
Hey, Dick. Charles just provided more information for you on LGF (as did James here). Somehow, though, I doubt you will appreciate it.
Rickey-
The goat-fucker comment you cite is indeed mine, and is in no way attributable to Charles Johnson. He deleted it moments after it was posted. I take full responsibility for the comment, in context, a concept you seem unaware of.
For the record: I have served in the U.S. military AND with IDF. My way of participating in actual tikkun olam, chaver.
BTW- I am not a Jewish Rambo. I continue to be humbled by the fact that Spec Ops troopers follow me.
I feel as if I’ve waded into a vat full of dog shit.
No, if you’re gonna be as famous as the REAL Silverstein, you’re gonna have to get your quotes right. Shel said, “They [the hippies] talk about the freedom of going barefoot, but they don’t talk about the… dog shit…” etc.
Tikon Olam in no way implies you should become a self-hating Jew so please either change the title of your blog or change its contents. I am tired of seeing so-called Jewish people heading the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish movements. Why don’t you apply equal standards to Muslims as you do to the rest of the world? If 99% of terrorist acts were carried out by black people, wouldn’t you expect them to do something about it? It is no coincidence that the vast majority of terrorist acts are carried out by Muslims and mainstream Islam should publically take responsibility for this and take active steps to re-educate their children so they don’t grow up to become extremists. We can count the number of Jews to have perpetrated terrorist acts on a single hand, why can’t the same be said of Muslims? This is no coincidence.
Gili
You sir are not only a fool and a “Terrorist Usefull Idiot” but, also a liar. I suggest that before you make factual assertions that you check the facts and then tell the truth. I am ashamed to claim you as a fellow Jew.
Mr. Silverstein,
I am currently reading “Hitler: A Study in Tyranny.” Odd reading for an LGF fascist, no? I guess you’d expect me to be reading Mein Kampf. Well, guess what? Mein Kampf is a bestseller in Muslim countries. They think Hitler was quite a guy. Which is strange, since they often call Jews “Nazis” like that’s a bad thing. I wonder if there’s a lesson in there somewhere? Perhaps it’s that the motives of people who call Hitler a hero on one hand, and on the other hand refer to their enemies as “Nazis,” cannot be trusted? Personally I have a hard time trusting people who on the one hand say “The Holocaust never happened” and on the other hand say “Hitler didn’t finish the job.” Particularly when many, many thousands of people who follow the religion of people who say things like this are busily engaged in repression, torture, and deliberate terrorism directed at civilians, all the while openly declaring their intentions of destroying the West and instituting Shari’a law.
As far as I know, no LGFer has committed an act of terror, and neither has Charles Johnson. On the other hand, something like 99.9% of the terror acts committed since 9/11 have been commited by Muslims. If you can provide me with evidence that all these terror acts were actually committed by LGFers and masterminded by Charles from his nitrogen-filled chamber under Denver International Airport, then I will agree with you that the FBI should be questioning Mr. Johnson and not hassling Muslims. Do we have a deal?
Oh, by the way, why do you call it an “alleged” Hezbollah propaganda video? Do you think the CIA created the video? Or maybe the Mossad? Have you ever been to MemriTV? Do you have any clue about the “scummy hatred” that people in the Middle East and the Islamic world watch and listen to all day, every day, on television and in their mosques? Did you know about the Holocaust cartoon contest that an Iranian newspaper (with, of course, full approval from the Iranian government) conducted? Doesn’t that qualify as “scummy hatred”?
Get a clue, Mr. Silverstein. Hating people who want to kill you and destroy your way of life and the values you hold dear (liberty, democracy, human rights, etc., I hope) is normal. Do you hate Hitler and the Nazis? I hope you do. Why do you find it so easy to hate Charles Johnson and LGF, but can’t find it in you to hate people who want to put the whole world under the heel of a medieval religious theocracy that kills homosexuals, hangs retarded girls for letting themselves be raped, makes women and non-Muslims second-class citizens or worse, practices slavery, and basically repudiates every moral and social advancement humankind has made since the Renaissance? Why? I would really like to know.
Just one more comment. I bet you’re shocked to find LGFers responding to your post with reasoned arguments instead of angry diatribes, ad hominem attacks, profanity, and lots of capital letters and exclamation marks. That’s because LGF is not a hate site. It is a site that is visited by whites, blacks, Hispanics, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, and even some Muslims. It is visited by people from every continent. What all these people share is a love for reason, liberty, democracy, humanity, the ideals and principles of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and modern civilization in general. As well as an unyielding opposition–yes, even hatred, if you will–for the forces of barbarism and tyranny as represented by unreformed, militant Islam and its allies. Yes, we hate the headchoppers, the car bombers, the suicide killers, the murderers of schoolchildren, the repressors of women, the embracers of obscurantism, unreason, and irrationality, the practitioners of savage and unjust medieval law, the enemies of liberty.
“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” –Thomas Jefferson.
Looks like all five of your readers have commented on your asininity. . . .Needless to say, the ole BS meter is now broken thanks to you!
Here’s another comment. If the FBI should come after anyone, it should be you for posting false lies and smears about other people you disagree with. I am also ashamed that you are a Jew. It’s too bad fellow Jews can’t disown you. But I am sure that quite a few would like to do that. How petty and evil can you get?
Apparently, there are no limits.
You must think Tikkun Olam involves shariah law worldwide, because you’re doing a great job defending the anti-semitic nazis over at CAIR. Your parents were probably those Jewish kapos who took pleasure in “monitoring” their fellow Jews in the concentration camps. Thanks to Jews like you, the Arabs have half their battle won in eradicating our state, our people, and our religion. Keep up the good work so the Arabs don’t have to bother.
So, Dick (hey, you call him Chuck), do you have anything to say in defense of your post after it has been debunked?
James in Memphis: I am glad to see that you are helping Johnson police the comment threads at LGF. But it must be a Herculean task given how many haters you have there.
I don’t know you from Adam. You may be one of the responsible readers & commenters at LGF. With 100,000 visitors a day he’s bound to have a few reasonable human beings who object to the hate spewed there. But just because you’re a decent human being who tries to do the right thing doesn’t mean there are other thousands, or tens of thousands who have diff. standards than you.
I don’t do much “research” when it comes to LGF since I find it an odious undertaking & as I said I feel like I’ve walked through dog shit every time I review the comment threads there. Don’t you think you might’ve just provided that link instead of adding all the smarmy insults?
Whatever “dogs” are loose at my site, they don’t talk about killing anyone whether Muslim or Jew. They don’t celebrate the deaths of Muslims or Jews. They don’t call Muslims or Jews animals. You can’t say the same for LGF, I’m afraid.
Eric: Calling me a member of the “Judenrath” is a perfect example of the calumnies that pass for reasoned argument at LGF.
It is you & the bellicosity represented at LGF that fuels hatred between Jews & Muslims & eggs Israel on in its intransigent approach to Israeli-Arab relations. If Jews or Israelis die it will be much more likely your fault for telling Israel to fight to the death against the “Arab scum” or whatever you folks are calling them this day.
Though I despise Charles “Smoke” Johnson I don’t accuse him of wanting to kill or harm Muslim-Americans himself. It is his deluded, deranged & troubled readers I & the FBI worry about. It only takes one.
Not when I can help it. There are times however, few as they are, when I do visit LGF in order to check out the latest Muslim hating hysteria. And when I’m there I sure know dog shit when I wade through it.
Well, gee Chuck links to my post and sets the hounds loose on my site. That surely means that whatever you LGF groupies think of me must be 100% correct, right? There couldn’t possibly be any other way to look at the world, Muslims or Israel than the LGF way, right?
Out of the thousands of comments on LGF every day, you quote a particularly down to earth one! One which I agree with entirely, btw. I haven’t been visiting LGF very long, but so far I haven’t seen anything said or commented on that is not truthful and that doesn’t have ample evidence to back it up.
The bottom line is that leftist, anti-American, anti-Israeli, pro-terrorist, pro-Islamofacists like yourself and the wonderful refined and demure contributors to Koz, Huffington and Move On etc.
love to dish out the filth, but you squeal like pigs in Iran when others voice opposite points of view that disagree with yours.
I wonder, would you have supported a visit from the FBI to, say, Koz., when they were calling for the asassination of President Bush and American Servicemen?
This is my first visit to your blog, so I don’t know if you are seriously defending the Islamofacists, or just trying to get in on some of LGF’s publicity, but if you are not able to recognize the threat to our country (USA) from the muslim hordes, then I feel sorry for you.
In my opinion the more truth (you call it hate speech) that the blogosphere brings to light, the better chance we have to keep our countrymen informed of the danger that Islam means to our way of life.
Because I do not choose to watch videos published by LGF. And I will not trust anything said at that site until it’s been verified by an external & more reliable source. That’s why I call it “alleged.”
If I find visiting LGF like walking through dog poo why would I want to repeat the experience by wading through the propaganda that passes for authoritative research at MEMRI?
As for Muslim hatred of Jews, I certainly detest it and have said so many times here. But unlike you I don’t feel that hatred emanating from a slim minority of Muslims warrants a similarly scummy response from Jews.
Only ignorant fools like those at LGF liken Muslims to Nazis. Thankfully, the rest of the world sees this type of demagoguery for what it is: scummy hatred.
I hate senseless hatred of all stripes & varieties including what I read of it at LGF.
The difference bet. us is that you make sweeping & false generalizations about an entire religion while I acknowledge hatred where I see it & only where I see it. In other words, Muslim extremists are a small minority of the world’s Muslims. I will not denounce an entire religion for the sins of a few (though I will denounce the sins of those few). Nor would I expect Muslims to denounce the entire state of Israel or all Jews for the sins of the Israeli government or haters like those at LGF. Those Muslims that do are worthy of denunciation & will hear it fr. me here.
Richard,
Thank you for your willingness to see all humanity as brothers and sisters, Muslim, Jew, and Christian, and your courage to publicly denounce hateful language and acts.
To even log onto WWW sites where hate mongers are selling their inhumanity to others is an act of “courage.”
No one, I don’t think, with a modicum of appreciation for humanity and the God of Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad really appreciates seeing the hate rash that appears on such sites as you depict.
Why does 5% of humanity seeto dominate the other 95% with incivility and acts of hate?
Might it be because they are, indeed, setting themselves up as “Gods,” greedy for their own selfish reasons to downtrod on others?
Most Muslims, Jews, and Christians I know truly do want to respect and treat each other with dignity, recognizing that their are differing approximations of what Truth really is.
God bless us all that we can find Peace and share it with others–and get out of the slime pit or poo pit of hateful behavior.
Appreciate your blog,
Jim