18 thoughts on “Gaza: Peace Plan Landmines

  1. Macron is OUT, Erdoğan is IN

    Trump and Macron’s Aggressive Handshake at Gaza Peace Summit Goes Viral

    A professional lip reader claimed that Trump and his French counterpart Macron swapped threats and warnings.

    “You reward Hamas with the promise of a Palestinian State.”

    Expansion Ottoman Rule?

    Israel may not appreciate Turkey’s participation in the Arabian peacekeeping role with boots on the ground in the Gaza Strip.

    Trump coziness with the authoritarian ruler of the AKP party of Turkey may play a key role in the Ukraine war .. getting Crimea back for a NATO naval base in the Black Sea. Likely easier than conquering Bagram AFB in a hostile Taliban country.

    Theatrics of ’PEACE’ @Sharm El-Sheikh Photo-Op

  2. Witkoff praises Netanyahu for his role in Israel’s steadfastness … he just about got booed off stage in Tel Aviv.

    77 Years of Impunity

    On October 11, 1985, Palestinian-American Alex Odeh was killed when a bomb destroyed his office.

    Today the social-democrats of the “Left” are still under attack for aligning with rights of the Palestinian people.

  3. Richard
    Thanks for this piece. It does a great job laying out the difficulties that face peace over the next few weeks and months.
    The most telling line is what you quoted from Yossi Beilin that I heard him say on Amanpour last night: “only someone who does not want peace will refuse to free Barghouti.” It is sad that the entire issue of Marwan Barghouti is not covered at all in the MSM. Gershon Baskin is trying to get the new head of the ShinBet to talk to Barghouti in prison; in South Africa, the PW Botha regime talked to Mandella, but they puled Mandella out of prison to have the talks in a more neutral setting.
    And beyond the near-term issues are the long-term peace that is even more difficult.

  4. link to timesofisrael.com 6.5 hours is all it took for the government to abandon the ”hostages” who managed to be alive after the IDF tried their hardest to kill them all.

  5. Netanyahu has to be counter-threatened- squeezed to fully withdraw and end the “Gaza War”… though I don’t know exactly what ending the Gaza War means since it was a new phase of the mother of all wars that has been continuing for decades…1967? Hamas sounds reasonable and ready. Marwan Barghouti I often confuse with Mustafa Barghouti … also distant cousin is also good candidate for higher leadership.
    A lot has to be worked out. The people need major reparations imo for the harm done to them that they did not deserve. The gross Trump vision of a Rivera in prime real estate proceeding would be unimaginbly obscene.
    The Nobel will really have disappointed (again) if they give the prize to Trump prematurely. It’s not really deserved at all since he would be taking credit for the work of many others, being desperate for a win and the prize. I would not wish the plan to fail though to prevent Trump’s glory especially if he uses the pressure he seems to have. It’s way too soon for celebration that the media is giving this given the blockages soberly laid out here.
    Thank you.

  6. Whilst you may have a case to put forward, you do an injustice by not stating the “whole truth”:
    1. The 2000 Palestinian prisoners who are candidates for exchange are not “illegal prisoners” but Palestinians who have committed criminal offences and tried by military courts in accordance with the rules of the Geneva Convention that the occupying force must set up courts of law – many of the 2000 are serving life sentences for murder.
    2. Marwan Barghouti may, as you say, be the only possible candidate to lead the Palestinian State, but it should be mentioned that he is the arch planner of multipal murders of civilians in terrorist attacks – he is not some sort of non-violent Ghandi like political prisoner but serving many life sentences (maybe akin to Menachem Begin, also responsible for murder but later became political)
    3. In 1967 “Palestine” was not captured by Israel – it was occupied by Egypt and Jordan previously to 1967, and captured by Israel from them, and these countries only relinquished their claims to the relevant territories during the 1970s, and neither Jordan nor Egypt did anything to set up a state for the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank between 1948-1967.

    1. What is legal vs illegal here? It’s not murder in regard to resisting a brutal occupation (that has killed many times the number)? The occupation has not been murdering? Israel’s murder (mostly) and imprisonment is justified against resistance called murder? And it must be mentioned by super armed state. Uniforms, planes and bombs blur the gross destruction and murdering, displacing of innocent Palestinians.
      What is the standard where a Palestinian leader must be non-violent but an Israeli leader not? Isn’t willingness to be violent in their cause almost a requirement for leadership?
      As for the term Palestinians- it’s principally used for the people identifying as Palestinian since 1967 , the national charter/PLO 1964. These are people who have lived in the area much much longer. And so now how do you identify an Israeli in comparison? Or are we wedded to a double standard?

      1. Palestinians have identified as Palestinian for over 1,000 years, they have been citizens for 10,000 years, a major trading port for over 4,000 years so will you shove the Joan Peters invented nonsense where the sun doesn’t shine

        1. Marylin J. Shepherd, So very well said. I couldn’t have said it better!

    2. Thank you for visiting Richard’s place … a bit of tutoring will never hurt anyone. Israelis love debate … can endure a long time.

      Palestinians who have committed criminal offences and tried by military courts in accordance with the rules of the Geneva Convention that the occupying force must set up courts of law

      Article 43 of the Hague Regulations imposes a general obligation on the occupying power to ensure public order and safety while respecting, unless it is absolutely necessary to do otherwise, the law in force prior to the occupation. This rule prevents the occupying power from extending its own legal system over the occupied territories and from ‘‘acting as a sovereign legislator’’.

      link to international-review.icrc.org

      ■ Advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice on the Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (9 July 2004)

      Gravely concerned at the commencement and continuation of construction by Israel, the occupying Power, of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, which is in departure from the Armistice Line of 1949 (Green Line) and which has involved the confiscation and destruction of Palestinian land and resources, the disruption of the lives of thousands of protected civilians and the de facto annexation of large areas of territory, and underlining the unanimous opposition by the international community to the construction of that wall ..

      ■ Israel’s Continued Occupation of Palestinian Territory ‘Unlawful’: International Court of Justice (ICJ) – full – 19 July 2024

    3. The hundreds of children are not criminals, nor are the hundreds of women and most of the older boys and men are so called administrative detention victims. But if you want to talk about indicted criminals allowed to do whatever they want that would be Bibi and Gallant who got most of the Israeli’s killed by the IDF. Do stop spewing our racist hasbara.

    4. According to reports in The Responsible Media™ (e.g. link to time.com), 250 of the Palestinian captives to be exchanged are serving life sentences, convicted, as you say, by the occupier’s military ‘courts’, which famously ‘boast a roughly 99% conviction rate’ (link to bbc.com). Those who would accept such verdicts as unequivocal evidence of guilt are willfully, culpably naive. The other 1750 or so were abducted in Gaza over the last two years and have never been accused, much less convicted, of anything.

    5. Of course the 2000 Palestinians AND the rest 8000 are all guilty when you consider that they were “tried” under a mish -mash of ancient laws an custom-created “rules” my the military designed to find them guilty. I presume you may be vaguely aware of the hundreds of Palestinians murdered by Israelis who were either never tried or were released after just days of comfortable “imprisonment”.
      The rest of your “points” are equally bogus and delusional; people directing murders of Palestinians are ministers in Israeli cabinet or are senior generals.
      If you desire peace, open your eyes but if you are like the 82% Israelis who support genocide then I guess you can go in in your delusional cocoon.

    6. @shmuel:

      2000 Palestinian prisoners who are candidates for exchange are not “illegal prisoners” but Palestinians who have committed criminal offences and tried by military courts in accordance with the rules of the Geneva Convention that the occupying force must set up courts of law – many of the 2000 are serving life sentences for murder.

      So many assumptions, so little reason to trust any of them. A military court is not a ‘court’ in the sense that most of know a court. They are processing centers for Palestinian detainees. They churn out convictions like an assembly line. THere is no due process, no proper rules of evidence. In fact, evidence is sealed and often not even available to the defense. A military court would convict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor told it to.

      it should be mentioned that he is the arch planner of multipal murders of civilians in terrorist attacks – he is not some sort of non-violent Ghandi like political prisoner

      Isn’t it ironic that you declare your indignation at Barghouti’s alleged crimes (again, convicted by a military, so-called “court”) when most of Israel’s early leaders (not just Begin, but Ben Zvi, Shamir, Rabin, etc.) had hands drenched in blood. They were terrorists as well who became leaders of the new nation. Yet apparently, Israel’s terrorists are purer than Palestine’s. IF that isnt’ hypocrisy I don’t know what is.

      In 1967 “Palestine” was not captured by Israel

      Stop splitting hairs about who controlled what and did what, and when. The only thing that matters is that Israel conquered and occupied Palestine for the past 70 years. And it did so inviolation of international law–which btw I’m so glad to see you care about so deeply from your reference to the Geneva Convention. Isn’t interesting that you dredge that up when it’s conveient and ignore it when it isn’t?

  7. Trump a loser … failed “mission” Middle East

    link to nobelprize.org

    Damn … after sanctioning ICC prosecutors and ICJ judges, even lobbying with good friend Stoltenberg. The world turned against Donald Trump ☹

  8. Barghouti is the logical person to lead a Palestinian government and he must be freed. If Netanyahu refuses to agree to this and accept a state of Palestine, as I said at some point Palestinians along with citizens from other Arab countries in the region will figure out a way to successfully attack and overrun Israel. Perhaps Israelis who don’t support what Netanyahu and his cohorts are doing, could be a part of a new Palestinian government. With only 32% of Americans and only 8% of Democrats standing behind Israel considering the genocide that country committed, a future Democratic president and congress may very well reflect that sentiment and not blindly give aid to Israel.

    1. You do realise the Palestinians are very smart people don’t you

      1. Marylin J. Shepherd, I presume you are asking me? Yes, I do realize. Also, your other comments on this thread are stated so very well.

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