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  1. A comment on the Bedouin deaths:
    You are absolutely correct that the state doesn’t provide them with bomb shelters because it doesn’t recognize their villages. It is important to emphasize that the state does provide military protection to Jewish settlers in the West Bank whose settlements it deems illegal. Furthermore, Israel could have placed “Iron Dome” to protect the Bedouin villages, but apparently chose not to. The Israeli Association for Civil Rights appealed to the supreme court against this policy, but the state declined to respond (!). (see here, if you read Hebrew: http://mekomit.co.il/stream/הכתובת-לא-הייתה-על-המפה-הרוג-וארבעה-פצו/) Iron Dome is programmed not to intercept rockets that are not in the track to hit populated area. It looks like the Israeli army excludes the Bedouin villages from Iron Dome’s coverage.
    Thank you for your coverage, Richard.

  2. “The infiltration was adjacent to a Negev kibbutz and the Palestinian force could have attempted to attack that community, in which case there may’ve been even more deaths”
    They were equipped with sedative syringes and cable ties with the likely intent of kidnapping IDF soldiers.
    Hamas needs to either show a face saving “achievement” or negotiate one, before agreeing to a cease fire .

    1. “In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies”. This is attributed to Churchill.

    2. “kidnapping IDF soldiers”.

      Oh my gosh, those terrorists were trying to capture enemy soldiers during wartime. Shocking.

  3. @Richard

    Let me understand. The Iron Dome doesn’t destroy the warhead of an incoming rocket?

    Precisely what’s been happening to those Hamas rockets that have been intercepted over Tel Aviv?
    They reach their apogee, begin their descent on Tel Aviv, and what?

      1. @ Richard
        MIT Technology review says, ” As a result, rockets fired from Gaza are probably plunging to the ground with intact explosives.”

        I have neither heard of, nor seen, any report of unexploded ordnance in or around urban Tel Aviv.

        An Iron Dome interception is noted by a ‘ ba-boom’, a double explosion. I’ve heard that sound a dozen times. I presume that the secondary explosion is the rocket’s warhead exploding.

        Is the MIT Review reporting from Israel or Cambridge, Mass.?

        1. @ Blue Moon: If I have a choice of trusting an aerospace engineer or a guy who claims to know a Palestinian rocket has been destroyed based on a sound he hears, I’ll take the aerospace engineer.

        2. Ba-boom means 1 direct sound by the explosion itself (Ba) and the mirrored sound from the ground, which is scatters the sound in a range of angles, thus the long (Boooom).
          You can notice at thunder sound a few kms aways, specially between clouds. It’s like BA-Boom-booooom-woooooooom-wooon… , since the lightning is a long object and so, has much more fuzzy reflection.

    1. There are two possible outcomes:
      1) Iron Dome “intercepts” the rocket, in which case a lump of inert metal falls on some random spot somewhere in the vicinity of Tel Aviv.
      2) Iron Dome doesn’t do anything, in which case…. a lump of inert metal falls on some random spot somewhere in the vicinity of Tel Aviv.

  4. “no shelters provided for Bedouin”
    At least 50% of Israelis do not have shelters including myself in the north. Nothing was built after the 2006 war and seemingly there are no plans. The government is not wiling to subsidise or build for the residents so a lot of the reporting here and in most places is ‘agendized” due to prejudice and not knowing what the conditions really are here.
    Armchair criticism.

    1. @ walter benjamin: It’s bullshit to say you “do not have shelters.” You don’t have shelters perhaps in your apartment building. But you certainly have one close by. Bedouin have none-at-all-anywhere. Not nearby, not anywhere (except possibly Rahat, the state-run ‘reservation’ built for Bedouin).

      I’m personally offended you’ve adopted the name of one of the greatest literary critics of the 20th century, yet articulate ideas that would embarrass him with their chauvinism.

  5. I notice that the character who called a contributor here “brainwashed” because she said that the IDF gratuitously kills children has not come back after some eyewitness accounts were quoted. This is till unpalatable news to some American broadcasting corporations as well. The reporter who told the world about the brutal killing by an Israeli gunboat of four Palestinian boys who were playing soccer on the beach has been withdrawn. Glenn Greenwald says:

    Ayman Mohyeldin, the NBC News correspondent who personally witnessed yesterday’s killing by Israel of four Palestinian boys on a Gazan beach and who has received widespread praise for his brave and innovative coverage of the conflict, has been told by NBC executives to leave Gaza immediately. According to an NBC source upset at his treatment, the executives claimed the decision was motivated by “security concerns” as Israel prepares a ground invasion, a claim repeated to me by an NBC executive. But late yesterday, NBC sent another correspondent, Richard Engel, along with an American producer who has never been to Gaza and speaks no Arabic, into Gaza to cover the ongoing Israeli assault (both Mohyeldin and Engel speak Arabic).

    Yesterday, Mohyeldin witnessed and then reported on the brutal killing by Israeli gunboats of four young boys as they played soccer on a beach in Gaza City. He was instrumental, both in social media and on the air, in conveying to the world the visceral horror of the attack.

    Mohyeldin recounted how, moments before their death, he was kicking a soccer ball with the four boys, who were between the ages of 9 and 11 and all from the same family

  6. You sound like you are celebrating the death of the soldiers. As if this makes the Palestinians closer to a normal life. The only thing that will improve their lives is ceasing terror and tring to do something other than building their idiotic rockets.

    1. @ Yair: I could care less what you think I sound like. You didn’t pass reading comprehension in elementary school in Hebrew OR English!

      The only thing that will guarantee safety, security and improve your lives and Palestinian lives is 1967 borders, sharing Jerusalem and allowing return of expelled Palestinian refugees. You can dream about terror ceasing all you like but it won’t happen till you come to your senses. Unless of course you want to watch Israel self-destruct before your very eyes, which is also possible.

      1. That’s very mature, trying to belittle me because my english is not at your level (not a mother tounge).

        Would love to give the Palestinians a state and share Jerusalem. Problem is they would turn it into another rocket factory like in Gaza.

        1. Richard was talking about your reading comprehension (in English OR Hebrew). Reading comprehension does not equal knowledge of a (foreign or native) language. It is a related but different talent.

          1. Can you please direct me to which part i didn’t comprehend? Although i really like your condescending tone, i would love some input

        2. To you Richard ‘sounds’ like he is celebrating, and I ‘sound’ condescending: You read things that are not there, that’s why Richard mentioned your ‘reading comprehension’. As said, that is not the same as knowing a language.

        3. @ Yair: You don’t “give” the Palestinians anything, chum. That’s the same old patronizing bullshit Israelis have spouted from Day 1. It’s insulting, patronizing, offensive, colonialist. You don’t own Palestine. It’s not yours to give.

          As for “rocket factories” seems to me Israel is a far bigger one, with nukes as well!

          The crack about your reading comprehension had nothing to do with your level of English proficiency. It related to your claim that my post “sounded like” I rejoiced in Israeli dead. I meant that if that’s how you read my post you weren’t reading what I actually wrote, but what you felt I was saying.

          BTW, your English is fine. A lot better than other Israelis who’ve posted here.

    2. The events over the years, culminating in the hate fest and slaughter of the last months both in the West Bank and in Gaza have made it very hard for me to empathize with these killed solders and their families. What were they doing there anyway? Don’t Israeli’s have the right to refuse service? What is their excuse? Maybe only the age of some of them and the fact that they were indoctrinated from childhood.
      Unequalled support for Israel since the founding of the state from al western nations aimed at making Israel secure and willing to compromise, only resulted in Israels demands steadily increasing. Soft treatment of Israel, hoping the country will respond by being magnanimous for ONCE has been tried for years and clearly does not work.
      How many more soldiers will have to be killed like this before Israel is willing to compromise? Think about that Yair.

      1. You make it sound so simple. But the reality is that Israel made numerous steps to disengage from the Palestinians, each one resulting in more terror. While I oppose many policies in Israel, I have no doubt that there is no partner for the two state solution right now. The Palestinians still believe that time is on their side and that eventually they’ll get rid of the jews. And another generation lives like this.

        As for the “hate fest” – take a look at the palestinian education.

        1. @ Yair: It IS simple. And “the reality” is nothing of the sort. Israel made no serious step to engage with the Palestinians or seek a real peace or show any willingness to compromise. None.

          As for claiming you “oppose Israeli policies.” Spare me. It’s all shootin’ & cryin’ as far as I’m concerned. As for “no partner” for a 2 state solution–you’re right. Israel under Bibi is certainly not a partner. And that’s why a 1 state solution is what you’re going to end up with, and you’ll deserve every minute of it for your intransigence, smugness & rejectionism.

          As for time being on Palestine’s side, it is. Eventually Israel will consist of Haredim (many of whom won’t fight in the IDF) and Palestinians will vastly outnumber you. And you’ll have only yourself to blame.

          Read my comment rules carefull–Palestinian education is OFF TOPIC. Keep your comments on topic if you want to continue commenting here.

          1. Israel made Many steps towards a viable Palestinian state. All along buses were blowing up,an dockets were fired.
            Rabin, Peres, Barak and Olmert all were negotiating a peaceful resolution. Only to meet more and more terror.

            As for “no partner” – bibi is no partner, but neither is Abbas. Both leaders are too chickens&£t to face their electorate (even though last time Abbas was democratically chosen was ages ago).

            As for Haredim being the majority – you are wrong. There is a strong movement for secularism that will only grow as technology penetrates their population. I can only wish the same to our neighbors in Gaza. They will be worse off under Sharia law or whatever Sunni extremists come up with next.

            As for Palestinian education and it’s part in the conflict – you are free to ban me, it’s your site. But why on earth is this off topic?? It goes directly into the heart of the conflict, just like the Hamas charter.

          2. Yair, I often wonder if Israelis and others who talk about Hamas suicide bombing and buses blowing up are ever aware of the fact that during the Second Intifada the vast majority of killed civilians were Palestinians killed by Israelis. Yes, the terrorist attacks by Palestinians were utterly immoral. But you guys never seem to have the slightest awareness of any other civilian deaths. Either you don’t know about them, which is terrible, or you excuse them, which is worse.

  7. Update: NBC has announced that it will send Moyheldin back to Gaza. Has the widespread indignation about his removal something to do with this?

  8. Yair the only thing that will improve their lives is your lot lifting the blockade and stopping the sabotage of their lives and activities – not to speak of your murderous incursions at regular intervals (so elegantly described by the perpetrators as “mowing the lawn”).

    1. I wish that were true. They wasted every opportunity they recieved waiting for something else.

      Every step israel made towards a 2 state solution has been met with terror. How can Israel lift the blockade, knowing that the only thing flowing in will be rockets?

      25% of their GDP goes towards rockets. They wasted the 8 years since Israel withdrew on nothing.

      1. @ Yair: My friend, you’re an amateur hasbarist, not ready for the Big Time.

        Palestinians have been given “opportunities?” By whom? Surely you must be kidding?

        “Every step Israel made toward a 2 state solution?” Israel hasn’t made a serious step toward a 2 state solution since Oslo in 1993. As for lifting the blockade, you’ve been reading IDF press releases for too long. That hasbara crap just doesn’t cut it.

        As for 25% of Gaza’s GDP going for rockets–that’s a laugh. Gaza has NO GDP. What does it produce? Israel dedicated 19% of its GDP to its military/defense/security/intelligence budget. And I’ll tell you Israel’s GDP is probably 1-million times greater than Gaza’s.

        Israel “withdrew” from Gaza. Another fairy tale. Israel never “withdrew” from anything. It is an occupying power violating international law in multiple ways.

        I have very little patience for people spouting hasbara and press releases. If your next comment sounds like this one, I warn you in this environment of war & murder I don’t have the chayshek for it. That could mean moderation or banning. Also, you need a much better hasbara instructor than the one you’ve chosen.

      2. Please list all those steps Yair – but don’t talk about the Camp David offer by Barak which has been so much lied about. Even one of your own previous foreign ministers, Ben-Ami, has said that in Arafat’s place he wouldn’t have accepted Barak’s offer either.

        The Arab Peace Initiative of 2002, renewed in 2008 I think, has never been given serious consideration in Israel. The crowd around Netanyahu is terrified by peace initiatives. The reason is simple – it simply doesn’t want to return to the borders of 1967. In fact it covets much more than it already has.

        1. @Arie, it’s interesting that you would quote Ben-Ami. He may have some complaint on how Barak handled the talks once it reached the leadership level, and he admits that Barak was not a pleasant person (although in theory he should have been grateful, since appointing him as the head of the talks did incur quite a political cost from Barak, who had to push aside his right winged and famous for being easily offended foreign minister), but his views are not quite how you describe them…

          Here’s an interesting interview Haazretz had with him back in 2001 – http://www.weizmann.ac.il/home/comartin/israel/ben-ami.html

          Once interesting quote, on the proposal to split sovereignty in Jerusalem: “I remember walking in the fields with Martin Indyk [of the State Department] that night and both of us saying that Ehud was nuts. We didn’t understand how he could even have thought of agreeing. Afterward I wrote in my diary that everyone thinks that Amnon [Lipkin-]Shahak and I are pushing Barak to the left, but the truth is that he was the one who pushed us leftward. At that stage – this was the start of the second week of the meeting – he was far more courageous than we were.”

          As we all know the proposal was met with the usual Palestinian refusal. At this point, according to all records, the Israelis and the American lose faith (and temper), seeing how the Palestinians are clearly not willing for any discussion – not to mention any concession. Ben-Ami continues to describe it well in the interview above:

          Q: Didn’t the Palestinians make a counterproposal?
          A: “No. And that is the heart of the matter. Never, in the negotiations between us and the Palestinians, was there a Palestinian counterproposal. There never was and there never will be. So the Israeli negotiator always finds himself in a dilemma: Either I get up and walk out because these guys aren’t ready to put forward proposals of their own, or I make another concession. In the end, even the most moderate negotiator reaches a point where he understands that there is no end to it.

          Camp David collapsed over the fact that they refused to get into the game. They refused to make a counterproposal. No one demanded that they give a positive response to that particular proposal of Clinton’s. Contrary to all the nonsense spouted by the knights of the left, there was no ultimatum. What was being asked of the Palestinians was far more elementary: that they put forward, at least once, their own counterproposal. That they not just say all the time `That’s not good enough’ and wait for us to make more concessions. That’s why the president sent [CIA director George] Tenet to Arafat that night – in order to tell him that it would be worth his while to think it over one more time and not give an answer until the morning. But Arafat couldn’t take it anymore. He missed the applause of the masses in Gaza.”

          That’s just regarding Camp-David since you brought that up, the other iterations came and went with minor changes in the political makeup. It is interesting however, to note today how things that were considered science fiction or courageous concessions back then are almost commonly and trivially accepted today in Israel (not by Bibi of course, but by the majority of the liberal left and even most the center). In a sense, you could argue that the Palestinian constant refusal did work as intended, as the negotiation points circle closer and closer to their demands as the years fly by. That is, if you ignore the monstrous cost of their strategy in human lives (on both sides, but admittedly – mostly on their own), and the risk of losing everything to extremists like the Hamas, a scenario which i’m sure the PA representatives didn’t anticipate back then even in their darkest dreams.

          1. I haven’t looked it up, but the Ben Ami concession that Arie referenced was made in a Democracy Now interview, I think. As for the rest of his views, it’s one member of the Israeli government trying to put all the blame on Arafat for what happened. More objective analysts, people not part of the process, said there was blame to share on all sides. Arafat was nobody’s idea of a good leader, but most Zionists have this sense of entitlement that makes them think anything they “offer” to the Palestinians beyond a bare minimum (i.e., some fraction of the Palestinian homeland) is generous. From the Palestinian viewpoint, they wanted to go by what they were owed according to international law. The Americans and Israelis insisted on ignoring that, because Israelis know perfectly well that international law (as well as elementary notions of fairness) were not on Israel’s side. The Americans and the Israelis had all the power, so naturally their views are the ones adopted by the US press, at least at first. Some cracks in the narrative appeared in the reporting of Deborah Sontag in the NYT (I think) and Malley and Agha (sp?) in the New York Review of Books, but by then, the mainstream narrative in favor of the Israelis had, as usual, been set in stone.

          2. @ Leeor: I’m not going to delete this comment, but it’s completely OFF TOPIC. Keep your comments directly related to the post. Don’t drift off into the ether of historical debate/discussion. Also, do not quote long passages of quotation. just provide a link to it. This is all in the comment rules, which proves you haven’t read them. Do so NOW.

  9. Yes, Israel ‘withdrew’ from Gaza in 2005 but has kept a vice-like grip on it ever since and has extended its occupation and ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem and the West Bank. That’s a step to a two-state solution?

    1. Yes, the arrogance, mendacity and hypocrisy are breath taking. And we certainly won’t be the only ones noticing this. The speech will be read in Foreign Offices around the world and people will wonder. Is this guy of his rocker? Once again it is clear that Netanyahu only has an eye for internal political developments. His main concern is to save his own political skin. He can’t seriously have thought that this threat would induce Hamas to surrender or that this ridiculous performance would impress audiences outside Israel, apart from the usual suspects of course.

      1. Hamas will surrender because Israel is too strong for this fight. That’s why they shouldn’t have been firing those missiles in the first place. The 2nd Lebanon war, despite the Israeli army making tactical mistakes on the battleground – 8 years of quiet ensued. The “heroic” Hezbollah seem to understand one language, and that is the one which Israel speaks to Hamas now.

        The tragedy is that the Palestinian civilians are caught in the middle, and although most of the Arab world understands that ousting Hamas is the only first step towards resolution, you and much of the world media keeps cheering Hamas to keep fighting.

        The situation is a-symmetrical in a way that can only be resolved by the weaker side stopping provocations of the stronger side.

        1. If they have dignity, and they do, they will fight until the last one of them is dead. That’s what I would do if I were fighting for Hamas, or any freedom fighter group.

  10. Not that it makes a difference, it was an airstrike that killed the Bakir children–not naval shells, as initial reports suggested.

  11. It appears that the text of this speech is a hoax. Some blogger wrote that this is the speech he would like Netanyahu to make and then it went around as the real thing. So our hope that he had taken leave of his senses altogether has been somewhat premature. But his performance starts to point in that direction.

    1. If you’re referring to the speech by Bibi posted by Elisabeth, I definitely think it is a hoax. I googled it and it only came up on blogs and sites that I’ve never heard of. Haaretz and other MSM would definitely have referred to a speech held in front of the Knesset, speaking about reoccupying Gaza. And last but not least: Bibi supposedly gave Hamas 24 hours, and the article goes back at least 5 days.

        1. You’re right ! I’m sorry 🙂 Don’t know how I mixed you up with the other commenter. Maybe because you’re Dutch as Arie Brand…. association sometimes has its ways.
          To be honest I was astonished that you would post such an important speech with a link to a site that nobody ever heard of. Basic logic sets of an alarm clock in that case.

  12. At first I took Major Fashla to be a real person in the IDF. From now on, any uniformed IDF apologist will be Major Fashla for me.

  13. As for the iron dome part, how about looking at the facts and look at how many missiles/casualties before iron dome was launched and after.

    There is a big big difference in the statistics, since iron dome launched about 3000 rokets hit Israel and three Israelis died, before iron dome launched there was one death for about every 125 rockets.

    What say you?

  14. 13 dead idf today. Seems to me those tunnels are way more dangerous than the rockets ever could be. Moreover each tunnel itself takes tons of concrete to make. Seems all the complaints about Gaza not being rebuilt is due to hamas using the reconstruction materials to turn gaza into the worlds largest underground fortress.

    Just watched bibi on cnn with wolf biltzer. Bibi now says the point of the operation has shifted to demilitarized gaza. So expect way more deaths on all sides. Sigh atleast the corners will be busy.

    Also interesting is the ceasefire offer penned by israel and adopted by Egypt. But its not only Egypt but also the arab league. Why would the Arab league prop up Israels ceasefire? The only countries against the offer are muslim brotherhood countries qatar and turkey.

    Seems to me the israeli palestinian problem is turning into a regional tug of war.

    1. What the hell do those ‘tunnels’ (14 in working order I understand) have to do with anything? It is your stupid invasion which killed thise soldiers (and their own willingness to enter into this abject war).
      Brrrr the scary tunnellllllsssss. We used to be scared of the A- bomb but now it is OK to kill hundreds because of…tunnels.

      1. @liz I never said killing hundreds of people was ok you are putting words in my mouth.

        BibI was correct when he said unilateral disengagement was stupid back in 2004. All the pointless deaths for nothing.

        The fact is something needs to be done to stop the bi annual ground hogs day killing fest. IMO this can only be achieved threw the demilitarization of Gaza.

    2. As people point out endlessly, on both sides of the issue, the Arab leaders of various countries don’t care about the rights of ordinary Palestinians. Most are dictators who don’t care about their own people’s rights. The Gazans want the blockade lifted, because as ordinary innocent human beings they don’t want to live in an open air prison. Anyone who thinks that a return to the status quo before the latest spasm of violence is okay clearly doesn’t care about the Gazans, no matter what their ethnicity.

  15. What you are doing is complaining that Vietnamese should be tunnels to fight US instead of “rebuilding” the country from the previous war with France. Besides, building a house or an apartment requires and planning than building these tunnels.

    On the other hand, that’s a good answer for the “accusation” of “terrorists” using human shields to protect themselves.

    1. So you are suggesting that if Gaza was demilitarized there wouldn’t be a lift of the blockade or a massive capital injection with international firms bidding to rebuild Gaza?

      Or should there just be an other temp ceasefire where in two years we will be back to square one? Lets say yes there is a ceasefire tomorrow and all the reconstruction materials get used to reinforce the underground network even more instead of building homes and hospitals… what will gaza look like in 10 years? Without any change all there will be is rubble above the ground and a sophisticated fortress under it…

      The similarities between gaza and Vietnam stop with the tunnels. The two wars are completely different.

      Gaza has the ability to become the next Singapore… all that is required is the political will.

      1. No, “demilitarization” (there is no military on gaza) will only lead to another Nakba or at least the lost of all palestinians rights, even those living with Israeli ‘citizenship’, safe for something close to slavery. The only thing stopping that is the constant struggle against the occupation until there is an international sanction against Israel.

        But, given that most Israelis do not even notice they are puppets of US interests, and given US rule of massacring people opposed to its plans and supporting dictators (or the fascist behavior of the elected zionist state)of the worse kind, there is no political will that will solve this so soon by giving concessions.

      2. Also, the Palestinian cause needs also to be supported at least by Egypt. Unfortunately, Egypt is an Israeli ally, by influence of US. They, not so much as Israel, get a lot military aid, though they are not spoon fed by high end technology.

      3. >…Without any change all there will be is rubble above the ground and a sophisticated fortress under it… <

        That HAMAS has turned Gaza into one vast, interconnected maze of underground bunkers, tunnels and fighting positions, a sophisticated underground fortress" as you yourself have stated would not surprise me. I'd be stupefied if they hadn't. And it will take far more than "political will" to accomplish the destruction of such assets.

        Hurling tons of ordnance around and rearranging the rubble IS NOT THE SAME THING as taking that rubble or destroying underground defenses. That can only be accomplished with troops closing with, killing the enemy, securing and consolidating the battle area above, and in this case below ground as well.

        The US dumped 643,000 tons of 250, 500, 1,000 & 2,000 pound bombs on NVA and Viet Cong bunker complexes, 2 1/2 times more bombs than dropped during the whole course of World War II. Whole regions of Vietnam weren't just rubblized, but turned into landscapes that looked like the surface of the moon as far as the eye could see. And that does not include the wastage of enormous arsenals of artillery, rockets & mortars. Needless to say it hadn't worked as planned.

        From available news reports it appears Israel’s primary offensive effort is selectively rearranging the rubble, which is having the unfortunate consequence of killing far more civilians than HAMAS fighters. A big time propaganda victory for your enemy and public relations disaster for you. I'd say Israel either ups its game, or the game is lost.

  16. how could you possibly know? i live in the old city where most of the houses are stonework without cement. in 2006 i stayed in the bottom floor of my house all the while hearing the shrieking of katushas going by and falling as close as 100 meters to my house. personally i lost a lot of windows because of the concussions.
    there is one shelter on my street with room for 20-30? people.
    the closest shelter is at least 500 meters away in the middle of the street which one must descend vertically also for about 20-30 people.
    what comes out of this is that you are speaking about something you know nothing about. only since the early ’90’s has it become a law that every new apt. is required to have a ‘security room’.
    in the 36 years that i have lived here there has not been built one public shelter.
    so do your research on the ground and not from an armchair.

    1. Walter is quite correct, and the situation is no different in the older sections of Tel Aviv.
      Yes, you have shelters, and you have 45 seconds from the sound of the siren to collect the people in your home, get down the stairs and make your way to the shelter. Not easy if your old, infirmed or if you have little kids.

      1. @ Blue Moon: No, Walter is NOT correct. He claimed that his predicament was like that of the Bedouin & it isn’t. Not by a long shot. But neither one of you is complaining about it. I wonder why?

    2. It still seems there are two shelters in your street for at least 60 people. But anyway: It was about the Bedouin, and the fact that they have none.

    3. @ walter benjamin: So your closest shelter is 1,500 feet away, which is not very far. Compare that to Bedouin who have no shelters anywhere. The don’t live in houses made out of stonework and have no shelter at all in their homes. Now who doesn’t know what he’s talking about? I’d take your situation over the Bedouins an day of the week! Why don’t you do some research on their living conditions or do you, as I suspect, not give a crap about how they live & how much better you have it than them??

    4. So by your account the shelter system in Israel isn’t so great and yet the rockets are still doing very little damage. I’d be more concerned about the rockets if they were killing hundreds of people. About as concerned as I am about the bombing of Gaza.

  17. “No democracy expresses the disdain Israel has expressed for the press.”

    Israel is there in the continuum of Middle Eastern democracies, Turkey, Iran, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt. Lebanon seems to have free press and they do not kill journalists, to my knowledge. Turkey arrests most journalists in the bunch, but without such heavy sentences as in Egypt, Iran has very active censorship, and Israel is tops in killing journalists.

  18. “Why don’t you do some research on their living conditions or do you, as I suspect, not give a crap about how they live & how much better you have it than them??”

    And just what do you do for the poor in the US? Maybe you should go down to Harlem and hand out food stamps or nickel bags of smack which for most of them is tantamount.
    Or maybe return the land on which you live to the Indian tribe{s} which is now soaked in their blood. Ah, but that was over 200 years ago…..
    And yes I am a racist because being Jewish means we don’t practice miscegenation but we don’t opt for killing a priori. And I assume you are aware of the expression ענייך קודמים.
    So, in truth, I think that you are of the genre בעד הנגד and have no true stance at all.

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