17 thoughts on “Ben Gurion University Punishes Professor for Resisting Military Service in Territories, Death Threats Against Peace Now Activist – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. What is the punishment? No one gets his salary from his workplace when he go to reserves. He gets it from social security. Why should one who didn’t do his duty and was in jail for breaking the law should get full salary? I really don’t get it.

    “Funny thing how that happens when the victims are Palestinian or Jewish peace activists” – I agree with you. That’s a real fiasco by the police. .

    1. I’d say you’re wrong. The University made the decision to dock his salary. There must be a process by which the University pays faculty who do miluim that you don’t know about. Though it’s possible that the National Insurance is paying the salary to the University which passes it on to the faculty member.

      1. There are two standard procedures for reimbursement for hired workers who serve in miluim, the choice is usually with the worker.

        1. The worker continues to get his salary from his employer, and the employer deals with getting back money from the National Insurance.

        2. The worker does not get his salary, but claims himself from NI.

        Invariably the worker will choose the former as he’ll keep on getting his “extras” for that salary (pension, etc.) and he won’t have to deal with the beurocracy of the NI reimbursment.

        In the case of imprisonment (military or otherwise) the worker will not be entitled at all to NI, and certainly was not working for the university during his incarceration, thus if the University paid him half of his salary for that period it was not out of obligation but rather out of generousity on its behalf!

        So in fact his salary was not “docked” by half, but was given a half salary for doing nothing! One ought to praise the university for this gesture!

        1. You have no idea how Israeli universities work & should read Magnes Zionist on the subject, who actually has an Israeli faculty appointment & knows whereof he speaks. Professors do their work in ways that are totally diff than you. They can do research in jail. They can do make up classes when they return. Professors’ schedules are flexible & there is no possible way to say he wasn’t performing his responsibilities while in prison. The only thing he couldn’t do was teach & he scheduled make up classes as I said & so fulfilled those obligations to his students & the University.

          He didn’t do “nothing” as you so glibly claimed. He did everything either while in prison or after he returned.

          1. I read what Magnes zionist wrote, and I do know how University staff work (why do you always assume that others don’t know things?}.

            There is still a major difference between “taking work to jail” and other research at home or on holiday.

            Just as a researcher who may take work home for the weekend doesn’t get extra pay, the fact that he may have read a few articles in jail doesn’t entitle him to pay at all for that period (let alone the university’s generous half pay offer)

            Whilst he is in jail he will not even have his laptop or internet so fat chance of any serious research being done there.

            I wonder if you would expect the university to continue paying a researcher if he was imprisoned for sexual harrassment if he did research whilst imprisoned?

            I respectfully suggest you distinguish between the principle of paying a salary to a researcher whilst imprisoned, and the possible political repression of researchers employed by the university. The two are not nescessarily connected, and I think here there is no connection.

  2. I just read the story of 3 generation of Jewish people originally from Central Asia. They suffered genocide, racism, killings, oppression by muslims, Russians, Bolsheviks, Germans, French and finally by the Nazis. Only 2 of the entire extended family survived the Holocaust. I was in tears when I finished reading the story.
    I just can’t believe that people whose ancestors suffered so much have become one of the most racist people I have ever met. I live in New York and interact with them all the time and see their comments all over the MSM.
    I guess humans are just not able to learn from history. It must not be in our DNA.

  3. RE: “Naturally, the police seem to have lost the ability to do their jobs and find and arrest suspects. Funny thing how that happens when the victims are Palestinian or Jewish peace activists.” ~ R.S.

    MY COMMENT: It also seems to happen when the victims are gay.

    FROM WIKIPEDIA:

    (excerpts) The 2009 Tel Aviv gay centre shooting resulted in the deaths of two people and injuries to at least fifteen others at the Tel Aviv branch of the Israeli GLBT Association…
    As of October 2011, the crime remains unsolved
    …On the evening of August 1 [2009] at around 23:00, an unknown person with firearms entered the “Aguda” building in Tel Aviv, and opened fire on the crowd attending an Israeli Gay Youth (IGY) event, and immediately escaped thereafter. Two people were killed, and fifteen were wounded. The police had launched a search campaign to find the shooter, and in addition immediately closed most of the entertainment places for the gay community that operated during the same time of the shooting event, for fear of additional shooting.
    The gunman entered the building where a weekly event was being held (in the basement), shot in several directions and then fled on foot.[2][5][6] The building was frequented by gay teenagers who engage in social activities and listen to music.[6][11] The centre was small with one terrace; thus preventing anyone from escaping.[6] They instead hid under a bed and tables as shots were fired.[6][11] Israeli television said the crime scene was a “bloodbath”.[7]…
    …The shooter was masked, dressed in black and used a pistol to carry out his attack.[2][5][8][11][12] It is not believed his motive was related to nationalist terror but the exact motive is currently unclear.[2] The city’s gay community stated the killer had a homophobic motive while police have cautioned people that the attack may not have been a hate crime and that the motive remains unknown…

    SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Tel_Aviv_gay_centre_shooting

      1. I find it kind of funny that you are lecturing me to provide credible sources when you put some soundbytes like in this one and all of this to blacken Israel. In a matter of fact, on May 2010 Jack Teitel was examed by the district psychiatrist and was recognized as a mentally ill (I guess that you suggest that the psychiatrist is biased too. Probably he’s a settler) but on September 2010 the same psychiatrist suggested that Teitel isn’t a mentally ill and therefore the court ruled that he can be chraged. Please stick to the facts.

  4. I guess the University of Johannesburg knew what it was doing when it decided to boycott the Ben Gurion University of the Negev.

  5. I know Richard is not happy with historical parallels, but these anecdotes of institutions and police aligning themselves with the state, whether by choice or coercion, brings to mind Gleichschaltung, the term the Nazis used for the first stage of creating its totalitarian state. In that place, at that time, as here and now in Israel, many institutions gladly adopted the state’s politics and went beyond their lawful duties to punish those with faltering zeal. There are myriad anecdotes of such ad hoc, extra legal actions in Israel now. Carmi’s actions are ad hoc and extra legal: Surely there are laws for resistors, but for Carmi that was not sufficient punishment. With its spitting rabbis and super patriots, the reality being created in Israel is one of power, fear and dread, the very opposite of the “Western” civilization the state purports to represent.

      1. I don’t. There isn’t any connection between them.
        The nazis didn’t allow any jewish (or any kind of race which wasn’t acceptable by them) student to learn in those institutions. You can’t say that about Israel (i.e. Omar barghouti).

        Neve Gordon – When a lectruer in these institutes calls to boycott them and doesn’t have the integrity to leave these institutes which pay his salary, I would have fired him by myself. If he wants to call to boycott, he should resign.

        And once again about Landau- when a citizen called to perform his reserve military service, the social security pays to his workplace the salary. When one disobey his orders and spent this time in jail, the social security doesn’t pay. That’s the way it is and no more.

        “MY COMMENT: It also seems to happen when the victims are gay.” – Nice try to blacken the police but it won’t work this time. Israel is well-known by giving rights to the LGBT community. I suppose that in other countries there are more rights to these community. Let’s say Iran or Egypt or even Palestine.

        “The shooter was masked, dressed in black and used a pistol to carry out his attack” – I understand that in your POV the police could solve any murder case. I guess that in the US every gay-murder case is solved like the case in the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_Eric_Wone

        1. You are wrong. The process of “coordination” in Germany took time and did not emphasize the anti-Semitic core of Nazi doctrine at all. It emphasized coordination with the state across all sectors of society and Jews continued to be accepted in the state schools throughout the period. But, they were subjected to increasing ad hoc harassment by institutions anxious to curry favor with the new regime. This emphasis on conformity is increasingly evident in Israel. The doctrine, for example, that criticism of the state is fundamentally anti-Semitic aims at silencing criticism both within and without the state. There is much to the parallel particularly now as ad hoc actions against Palestinians and “price tag” events increase. If my hunch is right these, too, will eventually be coordinated under legalisms.

          1. From mondoweiss:
            .”Two new bills aim to strip Israeli human rights organizations of funds and silence dissent. According to one of the bills, which proposes to put a hefty tax on donations to NGOs, the legislation intends to stop groups from altering “Israel’s political discourse from within.”

            Silencing discourse is part of the conformity process: It also sounds ominously like a preamble to war move.

            G*d forbid a democracy show allow for altering the national discourse! Some democracy.

  6. Only one problem with what you’ve written here.
    It has no connection with reality.
    When a person is in reserve duty, it is not the employer who pays his salary, but the state.
    So the University has nothing to do with this.

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