15 thoughts on “Gaza Death Toll: 375 Palestinians, 4 Israelis – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. In “Munich” there was a line in which one of the Israeli assassins noted the tit for tat of mutual assassinations as “we are now talking to each other”.

    The same can be said of the preamble to the Gaza operation.

    Hamas “said” by shelling either, “We are shooting into the desert intentionally as a warning to avoid further hostilities.” In which, Israel responded “We hear that you reasonably want the checkpoints opened, and we are doing that.”

    To which Hamas lost control over its communication and returned to habit, and “stated” with its missiles, “We want to escalate this further. We are both facing elections and need a conflict in which we both can present ourselves as heroes so that we will win our campaigns.”

    To which Israel responded “We agree.”

    The net result is a measure of one’s person being the extent that one can exact harm for opportunistic purposes.

  2. RIP Gaza
    IDF will continue their slaughterhouse operations until Gaza is reduced to dust and rubble.There is no rationality left in Israel.Who in the knesset is speaking out against these horrors?
    What will happen in the end game?
    40 year occupation,60 year occupation?

    NY times have a picture of Ashkelon, people hiding from rockets.I am sure it must be hard for those people as well living in fear.1 Israeli suffering from shock equals 20 dead Arabs.
    Latest scorecard as summed up by you Richard.
    IDF 375 – 4 Hamas.

    Where is the people crying out over Darfur?.They are all silent.Obama is silent still.My hopes and dreams of the evening of November 4 are fading very quickly.
    The sophisticated ,rich west are silent.
    Arab leaders are more interested in their bank accounts.
    Only the wretched of the earth is with the Palestinians.
    Sorry for the tone but I just cannot understand the world.

  3. Well, I do think you have to consider that it isn’t just Hamas you are dealing with here, it is Iran, too. Any peace that can be brokered must first include coming to an accommodation with them. That is simply isn’t possible in three weeks, three months or even three years. From a Middle East perspective, if Obama could somehow make
    peace with Iran and reach something approaching normal diplomatic relations during his two terms in office, I’d call that a major foreign policy victory. Making peace with Iran means peace in the Middle East over a broad spectrum of issues, including Gaza, Lebanon and Iraq, as well as the security of the oil supply in the region. There is no quick fix. The only real solution for the immediate term is to get Israel to pull back from the brink and that ain’t going to
    happen for a while. It is also something that Bush could do just as well as Obama. Obama will not start off on a good footing with the Israelis; but will have to earn their respect. And that too will take time. He benefits little by sticking his foot in before 1/20/09 and the chances of accomplishing anything substantive are minute. Israel
    is acting with the tacit approval of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. They can’t control Hamas, either. And the one nation (Iran) that holds sway has no incentive to put the brakes on.

    And like I said before, pursuing a foreign policy agenda now, prior to
    taking office sets a dangerous precedent for future administrations.

  4. @Mark Silverstein

    The regimes in Egypt and Saudi Arabia have blood of the woman and children of Gaza on they hearts and minds.

  5. Al Jazeera’s video of the Dignity in port in Tyre is here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRghMmgQ1kA
    The damage on the port side is clearly visible.

    Israeli spokeswoman Avital Leibovitch, after disingeniously claiming the boat had refused to identify itself: “The boat actually nearly crashed into one of our navy boats, which was damaged as well”.
    That’s a new trick worthy of Uri Geller, to nearly crash and yet be damaged. Perhaps Ms. Leibovitch’s car insurance company should hear about that one.

    I don’t know how the UN arrived at the figure of 60 civilians among the dead, but assuming it’s true, what are the other 315? Qassam launching crews and builders, all of them? Traffic cops? High-ranking or rank-and-file Hamas members? What are the UN’s criteria for assigning civilian or combatant status to individual Gazans?
    For Israel clearly any affiliation with Hamas, even of a purely civilian nature, is reason enough to bomb them (and everyone who happens to be near). By the same token, every member of almost any Israeli political party would now be a legitimate target for Palestinian retaliation.

  6. @Richard:
    “What is the role of the glorious IAF besides raining terror down on Gazans?”
    Ah..protecting Israel’s? Israelis who are living inside “The Green Line.” You sound bitter! Does it bother you to see Jews protecting themselves?

  7. To HELL Israel & ALL Arab goverments ,,,
    the number now is 385 ,, & just 60 civilians ,,hahahah what a kidding , if anyone had eyes in his head only on TV he can count at least 80 children !!
    I dont understand how does the world stay silent according to that . Maybe they wait until the numbers reachs THOUSANDS ?? or untill NO one still alive in GAZA, ?
    personally , i dont belive in peace any more, u can call me terrorist but if i am, what i must call whats happining in GAZA now, ?? Human rights?? , its another HOLOCAUST in GAZA ,,

    I have a RIGHT on this land and i want it , or i prefer to DIE ..

    Shame on Arab of whats happining to thier brothers in GAZA

  8. I’ve sometimes wondered what Israelis would do if they really could make the Palestinians disappear; deport them to North Dakota or Birobidzhan or some place. Where would they get their olives and white cheese, the cucumbers and tomatoes? It’s been quite a while since I last visited, but it always seemed the people actually raising the food wore keffiyehs.

    Zhu Bajie

  9. And to be clear to those who would deliberately misconstrue this statement–I do not see Israel this way in an absolute sense.

    How many drunken binges an alcoholic make?

    If Israel has nothing against the citizens of Gaza then why has it killed at least 60 of them who are civilians?

    As opposed to the traffic cops, the social workers, the government clerks and all the other “militants”?

    This is the tragedy of Israel’s assault. It has cemented Hamas’ standing for years to come in the consciousness of not only Gazans and Palestinians in general, but the entire Arab world.

    This is insensitive and smug. This is the “tragedy”? When hundreds of people are shredded?

    Besides, Hamas is the choice of the Palestinian people to lead them in their liberation struggle. as a citizen of a country who elected G.W. Bush twice, without being under occupation, you could be more respectful of other people’s democratic choices.

  10. “And finally, the air force undertook the heroic task of destroying the main prison, which mainly housed Fatah prisoners–who are ostensibly Israel’s ally–and accused collaborators awaiting trial.”

    Will Israel finally realize the folly of its actions if Gilad Shalit ends up being killed by an Israeli bomb?

    (They’ll probably blame Hamas for using him as a human shield anyway. Responsibility avoided!)

  11. It is simply incredible to read the unwarranted comments here condemning Israel for finally defending herself, after Israeli citizens suffered seven years of continual deadly rocket attacks from Gaza.

    Prior to the recent attacks, from 2001 – 2008, over 3,000 Qassam rockets and 2500 morters were fired from Gaza at Israeli targets, mainly against Sderot and surrounding areas, killing 23 Israelis, and injuring 433 Israelis (many of them extremely seriously) and causing destruction of homes, shopping centers, schools and other facilities. Each week, the terrorist regime in Gaza rained more horror on Israel. There was the Grad rocket attack from Gaza last May on the Ashkelon shopping mall, which injured 15 Israelis, many of them very seriously. One of the seriously injured was a 3 year old girl. There was the massive Qassam rocket attack from Gaza last February on Sderot, which amputated the leg of an 8-year-old Israeli boy and wounded his 19-year-old brother. And the rocket attack from Gaza on a busy street in Sderot in November 2006 which killed a 57-year-old Israeli woman and severely wounded a 24-year-old man (the bodyguard to an Israeli cabinet minister), who lost both his legs. And the mortar attack from Gaza this past November which injured eight Israelis, including a 21-year-old man who lost his right leg and barely had his other leg saved at the hospital. The Israeli casualties go on and on. Almost every child in Sderot suffers from post traumatic stress disorder due to the constant rocket attacks.

    It is surprising that the Israeli government waited so long to finally take action against the source of such terror against Israel’s innocent citizens. No other country in the world would have tolerated such horrible attacks on its citizenry for so many years.

  12. @B.BarNavi
    It seems obvious that Hamas doesn’t plan to release Shalit. They want to torture everyone by keeping his fate ambiguous-like Ron Arad. What about the Israelis who are being attacked in the South? Is it folly to defend them? Also, Israel has a right to blame Hamas. Kidnapping a Jew is a violation of one of the Ten Commandments. The reference to stealing in actuality means kidnapping.

  13. Regarding Obama,
    I asked a member of the Obama group here in central Jersey if she would circulate to the mailing list “An Open Letter to Obama”. http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=1771

    The letter asks Obama to reconsider US policy in the Middle East.

    I didn’t ask her to endorse the letter, just to send it, let people make their own decision.
    She refused. Her answer. She “wants peace” but is “torn by” the situation in Gaza and so won’t send the letter.
    ?
    It seems to me this attitude of ‘I’ll just put my head in the sand even tho my conscience is hurting’ is typical of most liberal Jews.
    It’s a cop-out. It appears that the discomfort of being “torn” is more easily borne than the discomfort of confronting certain political realities and contradictions.

  14. @Elizabeth (Liz) Berney, Esq.:

    seven years of continual deadly rocket attacks from Gaza

    More lies from the pro-Israel extreme right. There were rocket attacks, yes. They were not “continual.”

    over 3,000 Qassam rockets and 2500 morters were fired from Gaza at Israeli targets, mainly against Sderot and surrounding areas, killing 23 Israelis, and injuring 433 Israelis

    You naturally provide no documentation of your casualty claim. I heard the figure of 18 dead from such attacks. But no matter…let’s compare, shall we, the number of Palestinian civilians killed by the IDF in the same period. The number fluctuates from yr to yr & I don’t have the exact figures in front of me but a conservative estimate would be 300 per yr. which would mean that over 2,000 Palestinian civilians were killed by the IDF in the same period. That’s roughly 2,000 compared to 18 (or 23 if we accept yr figure). That’s roughly 100 Palestinians killed for every Israeli. What’s wrong with this picture??

    All yr anecdotal accounts of the tragedy inflicted by terrorists against Israelis are tragic. But why no sympathy or list of any Palestinians killed? COuld it be that Palestinians aren’t worthy of Jewish sympathy? Or are their deaths their own fault? That’s nice work if you can get it: Israeli terror deaths are Hamas’ fault and Palestinian deaths at the hands of the IDF are Hamas’ fault as well. You’ve got everything tied up in nice bow don’t you?

    You’re a pathetic, heartless apologist. And a chum of Mort Klein no less.

  15. @Ezra:

    protecting Israel’s

    You’ll have to forgive me for asking “what protection?” YOu think the missiles will end and that this operation will make Israel safer? Who are you kidding? Where there is a will to fight Israel there will be a way to fight. That means they could wipe out every able-bodied male in Gaza and some Palestinian somewhere in the world would raise his head to take revenge. THe IDF cannot protect Israel in the end. ONly neogiations & a peace agreement can protect Israel.

    Bitter? Me bitter? That Israel is defiling the progressive Zionist vision advanced by Ahad Ha Am, Martin Buber & others? Why should I be bitter that Jews are killing Palestinian civilians en masse. If I were you I’d be proud, right?

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