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  1. Once again you are being sloppy with an unfounded accusation of murder.
    It is very sad that this little girl was killed. She was killed during a confrontation between rock throwers and border police. Immediately after it happened the Palestinian “eye witnesses” claimed she was hit with a rubber bullet. Two CT scans before she died and an autopsy proved the she could not have been killed by a rubber bullet but rather by a large blunt object such as a rock or a gas cannister. It is possible that she was killed by a tear gas cannister thrown or fired by border police but it is also possible that she was killed by a rock thrown by Palestinians which fell short. Just like a few days ago a kassam rocket meant to kill Israeli civilians fell short and killed two Gazan children. I probably missed your post about those two children or the over 500 more killed by Palestinians in Gaza from just the beginning of this year including women and children.

  2. She was killed during a confrontation between rock throwers and border police.

    No, it is you who are sloppy & neglect to mention facts inconvenient to yr questionable claims. The Border Police were notorious for deliberately & regularly driving through this & many other villages taunting the villagers with obscenities & provoking such a reaction. There would’ve been no rock-throwing unless the BOrder Police created the incident. This from Linda Gradstein’s NPR coverage just after the murder (quoted from my blog post):

    Palestinians here say a jeep load of police drove by and began taunting another group of students, several of whom responded by throwing stones at the jeep. The witnesses say the police then fired tear gas, stun grenades and rubber bullets.

    At the post I wrote about Abir’s death, I also linked to another dispatch by Chris Hedges describing similar, but even more horrific provocation ending in multiple shootings of teenage children in Gaza.

    And this is Gideon Levy’s account of Abir’s murder followed by my own commentary fr. the same time period:

    “Areen and other Palestinian witnesses say they have no doubt that Abir was hit by Israeli fire. Michael Sfard, a prominent Israeli lawyer representing the Aramin family, said he had received a rubber-coated steel bullet that witnesses said they had found at the scene, which he presented to the Israeli police.

    A preliminary report of the autopsy conducted by an Israeli government pathologist and one appointed by the Aramin family found that Abir’s head wounds were consistent with the impact of a rubber-coated bullet, though other possibilities could not be ruled out, Mr. Sfard said.

    But the Israeli police say the autopsy did rule out the possibility of a rubber-coated bullet. The police say an investigation has found that police officers fired tear gas but has not confirmed the use of such bullets. A police official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the inquiry is continuing, said the police suspected that Abir might have been hit by a rock that one of the Palestinians had thrown toward the police.”

    The police say the autopsy DID rule out a bullet. The Aramin’s lawyer disputes that claim. But note that even the police concede that she may’ve been killed by a stun grenade. According to Haaretz, the police claim that she wasn’t killed by a bullet because the head wound was too large. However, even the Haaretz story notes that during the operation to save her life, doctors removed a portion of her skull. So how can the police claim to know with certainty what type of weapon killed her? Further, it is very common for the IDF and police to release quick statements denying responsibility in incidents such as this. There seems to be some view that the proper way to respond to such Israeli-made disasters is to deny, deny, deny. Doesn’t matter whether there’s a shred of truth to the denial. Just putting the denial out there is deemed a useful tactic by the spinmeisters.

    Haaretz reports that the scene of the attack is near three schools housing hundreds of students. Can someone explain to me why Border Police would be firing potentially lethal ammunition in such a vicinity? Of course, we already know the answer: any police force that would fire rubber bullets at children doesn’t credit the lives of said children being worth more than two bits. Why don’t such police officers consider if the tables were turned and it were their own children getting blasted with potentially lethal force. I am afraid I may be attributing to these people more humanity than they are worthy of.

    The claim of death by a Palestinian rock is so transparently self-serving as to be ridiculous. Blame the victim, that’s all it is & it is beneath contempt. These are all arguments trotted out by the Israeli authorities & disproven at the time. In fact, it makes me wonder whether Amir is either an official representative of these authorities or merely an apologist doing their bidding inadvertently.

    I probably missed your post about those two children or the over 500 killed by Palestinians in Gaza from just the beginning of this year including women and children.

    I have no idea what “500” you’re talking about: Israelis killed? Palestinians killed by other Palestinians? A little more precision would make it easier to follow whatever you’re trying to say.

    I do not appreciate yr snarky tone. I write about what I want to write about. If you want to write about a particular subject go write about it at yr own blog & on yr own dime. I’m not stopping you. Just remember that this blog is my home. Insult the baaleh bus & you may not be invited to return.

  3. Sorry. I will try to refrain from snarky remarks. I assure you that I am not a representative of any authorities. Just a citizen whose family, just like all Israeli families, depends on the security forces for their safety and do not appreciate unsubstantiated accusations of murder, which is a very serious charge.
    I suggest the sources you provide are outdated. The headline from Haaretz, dated Jan 22, 2007 is “Girl allegedly killed by Border Police may have been hit by rock.” Here are some quotes. The emphasis is mine.

    Ten-year-old Abir Aramin was apparently killed by a blunt object, and not by a rubber bullet, as some eyewitnesses claimed, according to the autopsy findings.

    The autopsy was performed last Friday at the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Abu Kabir, with a pathologist hired by Aramin’s family in attendance.But while it demonstrated that Aramin was killed by a blunt object – a conclusion with which the family’s pathologist concurs – the findings have thus far been insufficient to determine the exact cause of death

    The point is, the testimony of Palestinian witnesses, as well as that of soldiers, usually is unreliable because it usually is meant to serve an interest. In the quote you made, Areen is a twelve year old girl. Not completely reliable and very easily manipulated. It is completely conceivable that Abir was killed by a rock. It wouldn’t be the first time Palestinians killed each other, on purpose or accidentally, and then blamed the Israelis.
    Interestingly, recently, an Arab man grabbed a man’s gun in Jerusalem and then tried to murder the guard. this is what his friends had to say:

    Some acquaintances went as far as to say that incident was made up by the two security guards in order to avoid murder charges, claiming that “there is no evidence” that Khatib had tried to snatch the gun and that the incident constituted “first-degree murder” in which the man was “killed for nothing”.

    More unsubstantiated accusations of murder. But the whole incident was filmed by surveillance cameras, and their lies are easily exposed. The film is linked to by all the Israeli news webpages.

  4. The man who tried to murder inocent civilians in Jerusalem is an Israeli Arab from Kfar manda. Link: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3436748,00.html
    over 1,000 people honored his memory at the funeral. They insist he was murdered and the film fabricated. He was declared a shahid and his name will be added to the other “shahids” killed during October 2,000. This is their testimony when the evidence is overwhelming and on film. Yet you believe them and their “witnesses” when there is no evidence backing their claims. To them, it is always the Israelis who are to blame and it is always the Jews who are guilty of murder regardless of the evidence to the contrary. It truly saddens me that a man who identifies himself as a Jew and zionist who is interested in “tikun olam” also buys into their propaganda so easily.
    Now, Ahmed Tibi is concerned that the guard who was protecting his own life, and the lives of other innocents, may have shot him after he was already down. How he would know this, I don’t know. In the film, most of the bystanders had fled by this point. Not that it matters, since a man holding a gun is still a threat even if he is on the ground. I don’t recall him being concerned about the fact that Natan Zada was obviously murdered by a mob after already being subdued and handcuffed by police.

  5. I suggest the sources you provide are outdated.

    No, I suggest that yr source is outdated. The Gideon Levy piece I linked to above was dated January 27th, 5 days after the date of yr Haaretz piece. Another problem is that you do not provide links to yr source which prevents me fr. reviewing them. So I can’t argue w. you nor attribute any validity to what you quote till I see the source.

    It is completely conceivable that Abir was killed by a rock. It wouldn’t be the first time Palestinians killed each other, on purpose or accidentally, and then blamed the Israelis.

    No, it is NOT conceivable. It is only conceivable to someone like you who has an axe to grind in protecting yr beloved thuggish police fr. blame for their atrocious behavior. And I find yr claim that Abir was killed by Palestinians who then blamed Israel for the death to be offensive unless you can provide clear real (as opposed to unsubstantiated) evidence attesting to this possibility which you cannot.

    And the fact that you attempt to equate the senseless murder of a 10 yr old Palestinian girl w. what may have been a Palestinian terror attack saying that Palestinians always blame Israel no matter what happens in an incident I find offensive. You attempt to divert attention fr. a repulsive act of the Border Police by linking it to an entirely different incident w. which it has nothing in common except yr own tendentious unfounded attempt to connect the two.

    there is no evidence backing their claims.

    There is far more evidence for my claim than for yours. And why is it you don’t believe Palestinian eyewitnesses? Could it be that their senses are inferior to your Israeli ones? You’d certainly believe a Border Police officer at the scene who claimed he didn’t shoot her now wouldn’t you? But interestingly the Border Police have been curiously silent about the incident except when they at first attempted to blame Palestinians for the death w/o bringing a shred of evidence to bear. And I’ve heard fr. no actual police officer serving at the scene about what they did or saw. Isn’t that curious?

    it is always the Israelis who are to blame and it is always the Jews who are guilty of murder regardless of the evidence to the contrary. It truly saddens me that a man who identifies himself as a Jew and zionist who is interested in “tikun olam” also buys into their propaganda so easily.

    You equate Jews to Israelis above, a misnomer I object to. I do not always say Israelis are to blame. I say they are to blame when I think they are. I never said the Jerusalem attack was Israeli murder of a Palestinian. I don’t know yet what happened. When I do I will say something about it if I want to. But I find it offensive that you reduce my views to such convenient oversimplification. And I do not know who the “they” is you refer to above (“their propaganda”). Use of the term “they” in referring to the Palestinians is reductive and discriminatory much like American racists who used to (& still do) refer to African Americans as “those people.”

    Ahmed Tibi is concerned that the guard who was protecting his own life, and the lives of other innocents, may have shot him after he was already down. How he would know this, I don’t know

    As indeed he should be. If the guards shot the man four times point blank after he was already down, a claim I read yesterday at Ynet I believe, then this would be obscene overkill. And do you mean to tell me there are not other examples of terror attacks in which attackers have been murdered AFTER capture or wounding viz. Maalot in which the terrorists were marched out of the bus & a few minutes later mysteriously appeared dead. Here in America we call it vigilante justice. In Israel I think they call it the Hebrew equivalent of giving an Arab his just desserts.

    I don’t recall him being concerned about the fact that Natan Zada was obviously murdered by a mob after already being subdued and handcuffed by police.

    There is a huge difference. In the Jerusalem terror attack the guards were paid operative of the state as were the intelligence agents who murdered to Maalot terrorists. As such, they are seen by Arabs and the world as implementing the policy of the state toward Arabs. In Natan Zada’s case, the killers were Arab bystanders who’d just witnessed a right wing lunatic mow down their friends and neighbors. I don’t condone any outright murder & Natan Zada WAS murdered. But let’s not forget important distinctions when they exist as they do here.

  6. Then Gideon Levy is outdated. Remeber, his columns are opinion, not investigative reporting. Here is the link. you can judge for yourself. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/816044.html

    You’d certainly believe a Border Police officer at the scene who claimed he didn’t shoot her now wouldn’t you?

    But I specifically said: “The point is, the testimony of Palestinian witnesses, as well as that of soldiers, usually is unreliable because it usually is meant to serve an interest.” I am not relying on testimony. I am relying on evidence as reported in a respectable newspaper, Ha’Aretz which even the coroner hired by the family concurs. I never “claimed” Abeer was killed by Palestinians, though I said it was conceivable. It is also possible she was killed by a stun grenade or a gas canister. Those are not weapons used with the intent to kill, so I seriously doubt that Abeer was murdered. The burden of proof is on those (like you) that claim it was murder. So far I haven’t seen the proof.
    I think your confusing Maalot with “Egged line 300”.
    I was using the case of the recent shooting in Jerusalem as to how “witnesses” are used to lie to the public. Immediately after the incident, the press reported that a terrorist tried to grab a guard’s gun and then was shot by the guard. But they added that “witnesses” claimed that the guard asked the terrorist, who was really just an innocent bystander for his ID, and when he didn’t show it to them they murdered him. Later the “witnesses” said he was murdered execution style. Here is the film at youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ouXfsd9IqQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejpost%2Ecom%2Fservlet%2FSatellite%3Fcid%3D1186557429677%26pagename%3DJPost%252FJPArticle%252FShowFull In the end you can see how the guard from quite a distance shoots him and the terrorist falls down. At this point a bystander flees. As the terrorist falls the guard runs in the opposite direction to help his friend who was shot in the preceeding scuffle.

  7. Gideon Levy is outdated.

    Why is he outdated when his article was published FIVE DAYS AFTER the article you reference?

    even the coroner hired by the family concurs.

    Sfarad, the Aramin’s lawyer characterizes the coroner’s findings in a diff. Haaretz article in a way that directly contradicts the separate Haaretz article you reference.

  8. So Amir – the Israeli courts have decided that she was killed by a rubber coated bullet and will have to pay compensation – even though no-one was held accountable. So it seems you were wrong all along. Well done.

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