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  1. “But when you understand that Olmert is really saying that if, in order to protect a life in Sderot I must accept the loss of an innocent one in Gaza, then this is a bargain I can make. Herein lies the moral bankruptcy of the Israeli position.”

    Then this is the moral bankruptcy of any nation on the planet, since the beginning of time. If you are the leader of a country, one of your responsibilities is protecting its citizens from foreign attack. If in defending your citizens you have to take innocent life, well, that’s war. in fact, most governments throughout history have not cared about keeping enemy civilians out of wars. The more rape and pillage and taking in slavery the better.

    I know you hate to hear this, but it’s true. Israel’s government goes out of its way not to target civilians more than any other country. But Israel is morally bankrupt because it doesn’t exist in the platonic ideal you imagine.

  2. If in defending your citizens you have to take innocent life, well, that’s war.

    No, if you take one innocent life, or ten, or 100, then perhaps one could argue “that’s war.” But when you take thousands and you continue military policies that cause that number to mount & you refuse to investigate seriously yr errors & punish wrongdoers among your forces, then you engage in blatant immorality and violations of international law.

    most governments throughout history have not cared about keeping enemy civilians out of wars. The more rape and pillage and taking in slavery the better.

    Your learned erudition really shows here. If we’re talking about ancient history, then perhaps you might be correct in some cases. But is ancient history the standard by which we judge contemporary war-making? No, that standard is defined by the Geneva Conventions which explicitly outlaw such acts. If you deliberately target civilians or engage in military action which you know will endanger civilians then you’ve violated those laws & may pay the price. Not to mention that you’ve driven a stake through the heart of your good name in the world community.

    Israel’s government goes out of its way not to target civilians more than any other country.

    More propaganda from the Israeli Foreign Ministry–or is it Little Green Footballs?? This comment shows you either haven’t been reading the Israeli papers for the past month where headlines blare about innocent Palestinian blood shed by IDF gunners & pilots who afforded no respect or dignity to the Palestinian civilians they murdered; or else you have been reading them but not understanding them. I’d say it’s more likely that you’re in denial.

  3. The most shocking thing in this barrage of excess verbiage is the lack of concern for the facts. The important questions beg to be asked, investigated and answered. Your concerns, however, are not with the facts, but with finding confirmation for your bias. Sad…

  4. I have no idea what you’re talking about since you make such non-specific statements and nowhere refer to anything I’ve actually written. For example, what are “the facts” in your mind? What are the questions ‘begging to be asked’ which I haven’t asked?

    I’d like to know the facts of this incident but Israel unfortunately has done almost nothing to clarify them.

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