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Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 9:08 PM

If you don’t sue him…

Whenever I need legal advice I always consult first with LGF readers because I know the advice will always be sound.

the prophet raped a 9 year old girl

Keep that “scummy hatred” coming. I love it when you idiots show the world your bared fangs so they can see you for the vermin you really are.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 9:34 PM

it takes a “civil right” advocate to advocate criminalizing free speech

Threatening an individual with bodily harm or death is NOT “free” or “protected” speech. It is flat out illegal. But since Charles won’t provide either the comment that was reported to the FBI or the e mails that were sent from his site to Ibrahim Hooper, no one can judge the content. Unfortunately, Johnson seems to be a bit chary about disclosing this information. Makes you wonder what & why he’s hiding. But I know for sure that FBI wouldn’t have called him twice if his readers were offering to send Hooper a bouquet of roses.

you are perfectly satisfied with people painting Israelis as the new Nazis

That’s a flat out lie. I receive anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish hate mail all too often at this site & I am NOT “perfectly satisfied” with it. It receives the same harsh response that the LGF haters send my way. But clearly you haven’t even bothered to do an elementary site search to find this material because it would be so inconvenient for yr stupid, lying theories about what I believe or don’t believe.

Let me remind you that not one of LGF contributors has yet been arrested, let alone convicted, of committing a violent act against any Muslim

As I wrote here, it only takes one. Will you still be so smug after it happens the first time?

You truly remind me of the Communist Jews (some in my very family) who devotedly and blindly supported Stalin

You are a cretin. I’m not a Communist & never have been one & never supported Stalin nor any other dictator.

Too bad that you don’t seek that the FBI investigate CAIR, whose member were already charged with support of terrorism

I don’t need to because the FBI already has investigated CAIR as you yourself note here. Besides, I have no problem w. the FBI doing its job w/o regard to religion or ethnicity. Let it investigate CAIR AND LGF commenters who violate the law. I don’t want anyone threatened or killed whether they be Jewish, Israeli, Arab or Muslim. The only problem I do have is when the FBI selectively investigates based on the above criteria; or when it uses a diff. standard for judging behavior by members of one religion or ethnic group than for another.

financing organization that blows ups restaurants is not a crime, arresting person who carries a bomb and building a fence is a true act of state terrorism

No, financing terror IS a crime and I’m in favor of preventing this. But I am NOT in favor of targeting Muslim charities w/o strong evidence they have done something wrong. The Justice Department’s record in this regard is quite mixed. Arresting a suicide bomber is NOT state terrorism. I have never said this so do stop generalizing & assuming my views on issues which you know nothing about because you haven’t even bothered to read a word of my site other than this post (if you read that at all). Building a fence (as you so charmingly call the Separation Wall) is NOT state terrorism. I never said this. But it is a useless, deluded and extraordinarily wasteful act of short-sighted policy since the Hezbollah rocket attacks have proved that any Kassam rocket can make its way easily over such a wall.

It is very unfortunate that you, as a Jew, lend your support to the very people who want to destroy the only Jewish state in existence

When non-Jews start telling me what I should or should not do AS A JEW, that’s when I get my hackles up. The State of Israel is doing quite well and is under no serious threat from any of its neighbors (except perhaps Iran IF it gets nuclear weapons). I’m touched by your well intentioned, but unnecessary concern for Israel’s demise. But the rumors of it are greatly exaggerated as Mark Twain once said.

My almost entire family was murdered by the Nazis

I can do you one better in this stupid sweepstakes of suffering. Members of my family WERE actually exterminated by Hitler. So what moral advantage exactly do you feel your suffering gives you to insult my moral perspective on the Israeli-Arab conflict?
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 9:39 PM

Then why do you read them??

Why do I read LGF? First, I don’t at least not regularly. Perhaps I visit 5 times a year if that. As for why I visit at all–because 100,000 people visit that blog shmatte every day thinking it’s God-given truth when it’s little more than dog shit on someone’s shoe.

I think lies and hate deserve rebuttal.
MJ says:

September 10, 2006 at 9:58 PM

Notice how Charles protests “I took the comment down!” but doesn’t mention the one he didn’t? Pure avoidance. The other one wasn’t quite as moronic as the first, that would take some doing….but it’s out of the same playbook.

And isn’t it wonderful that the LGF’ers chose to follow the link to your site and prove how screwed up they are!
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 10:10 PM

we may be related, which could explain your behavior. Lots of inbreeding in the shtetls in my family.

Considering that there are tens of thousands of Jews with the same name, I’d say the chances of our being related are next to nil (tenks Got).

I’m going to trust that you are an authority on the mental health of yr own family & if you suggest inbreeding & mental incapacity in yr own family well, that’s good enough authority for me.

BTW, my brother shares yr first & last name name (shudder!). I do assume that if you were my brother that inbreeding wouldn’t have prevented you fr. realizing that fact & acknowledging it here. So I’ll thankfully presume that we aren’t related.

you forgot to include the hateful comments, cartoons etc. about Jews found all over the internet. However, I guess you give the people who create those a pass.

I don’t give hate a pass ever, on either side.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 10:22 PM

The goat-fucker comment you cite is indeed mine

I like a man, even if he is a jerk, taking ownership of the shit that passes from his rear end into the world.

I take full responsibility for the comment

You can’t possibly take full responsibility for a comment as irresponsible as that one.

For the record: I have served in the U.S. military AND with IDF. My way of participating in actual tikkun olam, chaver.

That’s rich. We have a soldier who claims to have served our country’s & Israel’s armed forces making statements like this:

Goat-fucking koranimals. Unlike my last war, this war, I may have to consider collecting a necklace of ears.
/loading more magazines/gotta finish post-FTX refit and weapons check.

Don’t know ’bout you but I feel so much more secure knowing that a certifiable, homicidal lunatic was given a rifle to kill our enemies. But filled with such hate, how could he possibly distinguish between who was friend and who was foe?

Pardon my skepticism but, you wouldn’t mind telling us which units you served in so we can verify your claims?

And as for killing Arabs being considered tikun olam–neither the Zohar nor our tradition had quite this in mind when they created the term. There are no rewards in Jewish tradition for those who hate another religion or ethnic group. And you certainly don’t get to abuse the term tikun olam for yr own demagogic purpose.

BTW- I am not a Jewish Rambo.

We’ll just have to let me non-LGF readers be the judge of that, Rambowitz.
Gregg says:

September 10, 2006 at 10:23 PM

Richard,. the hatred and venom I feel coming from YOU in your comments about LGF are palpable. It really does perplex me that this blog, LGF, and its owner Charles are able to arouse such a visceral reaction in you from mere words, yet the hatred and venom emanating from Muslims apparently bothers you not at all. The anti-Semitism, the calls to violent jihad, the bloody medieval punishments of Shari’a, the subjugation of women, the oppression of unbelievers, the shooting fleeing schoolchildren in the back, the cutting off the heads of Christian schoolgirls, the butchery in southern Thailand, the marching and burning things and carrying signs saying “behead those who insult Islam” over a set of cartoons, the bombings here, the bombings there, the bombings everywhere … none of this bothers you so much as people failing to be perfectly nice and polite at all times when discussing those who openly profess to wanting to kill us and destroy our values and way of life. You’re allowed to get angry, get your blood up about LGF, talk about “wading through dog shit” and such, but LGFers are not allowed to get angry and blow off steam about medieval religious fanatics who want to impose their violent backwards religion on the whole world by any means necessary.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 10:37 PM

Tikon [sic] Olam in no way implies you should become a self-hating Jew

I really have to start a contest for the 10th, 25th, 50th, 100th (ad nauseum) commenter to call me a “self-hating Jew.” The comment of course reflects far more on the commenter than on me. It indicates how narrow, how ideological, how provincial and how hidebound his or her definition of Judaism or Jew is. I’m a proud Jew (though not so proud to count Gili as among my co-religionists). No one can take that away from me.

please either change the title of your blog or change its contents

Thanks for the advice. I’ll get on it right this second & thanks for the ever so cogent & thoughtful suggestions. Now, do you think you can go back to whatever lair you slunk out of?

If 99% of terrorist acts were carried out by black people,

I do so love the patently fake “statistics” that emanate from the hate-based community over at LGF. Where did you get that number from? 99% of terrorist acts are performed by Muslims? Prove it.

We can count the number of Jews to have perpetrated terrorist acts on a single hand,

Either you are ignorant or you are a liar (or perhaps both):

Chaim Arlosorof, assassinated by political foes1933
Count Von Bernadotte, assassinated by Israeli nationalists1948
Emil Grunsweig, assassinated 1979
Yitzhak Rabin, assassinated by right wing extremist 1995
Baruch Goldstein, murdered 29 Palestinians

And I have omitted from this tally the innumerable settler attacks which have killed countless Palestinians over the years using guns, bombs & anything else they can get their hands on. If you do a search of this site you’ll find ample coverage of such incidents.

I cite this information because I wish to indict Israel in a wholesale way. But to those who say all terror lies on one side & the other is pure as driven snow flies in the face of reality. In other words, you can lie but you cannot hide. At least not at this site.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 10:42 PM

I am ashamed to claim you as a fellow Jew.

I’m not too pleased to share my religion w. you either. But I guess you will have to hold your nose because I’m not going anywhere. I’m happy with my Jewishness. In fact, I’m quite pleased that mine gets under yr skin. Someone’s got to make you discomfited at yr & LGF’s distortions of Jewish traditions.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 10:53 PM

Mein Kampf is a bestseller in Muslim countries. They think Hitler was quite a guy.

And your proof for either of these contentions is??? Who is “they?” All Arabs? Some?

they often call Jews “Nazis”

No, Muslims do not often call Jews “Nazis.” Some Muslims may call Israelis “Nazis” but that may be a distinction you don’t wish to note.

many thousands of people who follow the religion of people who say things like this are busily engaged in repression, torture, and deliberate terrorism directed at civilians

Now, I thought for a second you were talking about Israelis. You mean you weren’t??!

something like 99.9% of the terror acts committed since 9/11 have been committed by Muslims.

You guys at LGF ought to check yr facts w. ea. other before coming on over here. Is it 99% as another LGF fellow traveler wrote here or 99.9%?? I challenge you w. precisely the same statement I delivered to him or her: prove it. Provide a single reliable source that verifies your stupid statement. You won’t because you can’t. Oh & btw evidence from LGF or Charles Johnson doesn’t count as reliable.

Do we have a deal?

Here’s the deal–you go crawl back under the LGF slime rock fr. which you came & I’ll try my best to live w/o yr company over here. Deal?
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 11:19 PM

I bet you’re shocked to find LGFers responding to your post with reasoned arguments instead of angry diatribes, ad hominem attacks, profanity, and lots of capital letters and exclamation marks.

What, has Charles been giving all of you lessons in table manners?? You must be confusing this blog for another because I haven’t seen much in the way of reasoned argument fr. you LGFers. Thank God no profanity (yet) & no capital ltrs. or exclamation marks. But I’ve gotten just about everything else (“self-hating Jew,” “Communist” Stalin lover, ” Judenrath” member, etc.). Or do LGF comments w/o profanity, capital ltrs. or exclamation marks automatically count for “reasoned argument” over there?

LGF is not a hate site

No certainly not. You’ll never find an unkind word about Arabs or Muslims there, that’s for sure.

What all these people share is a love for reason, liberty, democracy, humanity, the ideals and principles of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and modern civilization in general.

No, those are ideas that I value & believe in. LGF makes an absolute mockery of these. LGF believes in lunatic fringe thought, demagoguery, gratuitous hatred, & the ideals & principles of brilliant humanists like Baruch Goldstein & Meir Kahane.

As well as an unyielding opposition–yes, even hatred, if you will–for the forces of barbarism and tyranny

Funny, but that is pretty much how I would characterize LGF: a website full of barbarism and tyranny toward those with whom it disagrees, reserving of course special barbarity & tyranny for all Muslims regardless of what they believe.

we hate the headchoppers, the car bombers, the suicide killers, the murderers of schoolchildren, the repressors of women, the embracers of obscurantism, unreason, and irrationality, the practitioners of savage and unjust medieval law, the enemies of liberty.

Yeah, yeah. We all know what you hate. But somehow you only muster that hatred for Muslims who commit these atrocities. When the atrocity is perpetrated by a white westerner, say a U.S. soldier in Iraq, the IDF in Lebanon or Gaza, then you don’t seem able to muster the same level of high dudgeon. Why is that?

The idea that you have the temerity of quoting Thomas Jefferson in support of yr cause is beyond belief. Jefferson would roll over & vomit in his grave if he could at the idea that his words are being used to justify the hate spewed at LGF & by people like you.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 11:23 PM

the FBI should come after anyone, it should be you for posting false lies and smears about other people you disagree with

Since you have such a firm grasp on U.S. criminal law why don’t you consider applying for the job of FBI director when it nexts comes open. Then I’ll look forward to that interview w. one of yr agents. Till then, I think they’ll find more worth examining in the comment threads at LGF.

How petty and evil can you get?

Oh I don’t know…about as “petty & evil” as the content of LGF?
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 11:30 PM

Your parents were probably those Jewish kapos who took pleasure in “monitoring” their fellow Jews in the concentration camps.

“Jewish kapo.” That’s nice. Just the kind of compliments I expect from the slime at LGF. And I’ll have you keep my parents out of this discussion you filthy hazer. That’s off limits shit around here. Maybe Charles lets you barn animals shit all over his site. But you won’t do it here & you won’t insult the memory of my parents with such filth.

the Arabs have half their battle won in eradicating our state, our people, and our religion

Drone, drone, drone. The hysteria & histrionics are truly amazing & unbelievable. I have a lot more faith in the strength of the Jewish people and the State of Israel than to believe that Arab hate can harm it in any significant way. You unfortunately seem to believe that your religion & Jewish homeland are weak, vulnerable and subject to imminent destruction. What a fevered, delusional Jewish world view you have.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 11:32 PM

do you have anything to say in defense of your post

I see nothing I have to defend. But keep watching this site for another post on this subject tonight.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 11:41 PM

leftist, anti-American, anti-Israeli, pro-terrorist, pro-Islamofacists

You got one out of five right. But a .200 batting average gets you sent down to Class D ball, I’m afraid, which is where you belong.

would you have supported a visit from the FBI to, say, Koz., when they were calling for the asassination [sic] of President Bush and American Servicemen?

First, I don’t trust any statement you make characterizing what someone else said unless you provide a link and a quotation. Until you do whatever you say is even less reliable than a broken watch. But just for a hypothetical you don’t even deserve–if ANYONE, whatever their political affiliation advocates political violence or murder then yes they should be investigated.

if you are not able to recognize the threat to our country (USA) from the muslim [sic] hordes, then I feel sorry for you.

Save the pity for your own unmitigated ignorance of Muslims and the world around you.

the better chance we have to keep our countrymen informed of the danger that Islam means to our way of life.

I’d say the type of unreasoning hate represented by you & LGF is just as great a danger to our way of life.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 11:45 PM

isn’t it wonderful that the LGF’ers chose to follow the link to your site and prove how screwed up they are!

Yup, MJ, exactly right. I do so love when Johnson links to me usually doubling or tripling my site traffic for a few days. Not that most of them are going to have the foggiest idea of anything this site stands for. I’m just pleased that I needled CJ enough to giving me a wider platform to attack his lies.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 10, 2006 at 11:56 PM

the hatred and venom I feel coming from YOU in your comments about LGF are palpable

Yes, you see I have this wee problem w. people who call my parents “kapos” or me a “self-hating Jew.” I guess such lies, hatred & venom don’t affect you that way when people say such things about you or yr. parents. But I’m human I’m afraid. My dad of blessed memory (yeah the one who was a “kapo”) taught me to hate lies, hatred, racism & intolerance. I’m proud of the lesson he taught me.

the hatred and venom emanating from Muslims apparently bothers you not at all.

Oh let’s see–how many times in this comment thread alone have I contradicted your statement? Four, maybe five? “Eyes have they but they see not.”

LGFers are not allowed to get angry and blow off steam about medieval religious fanatics who want to impose their violent backwards religion on the whole world by any means necessary.

I don’t give a rat’s ass what LGFers say or write as long as it is truthful, accurate and authenticated by facts as opposed to mere supposition or prejudice. And btw, advocating the murder of Muslims is a little more serious stuff than “blowing off steam.”
LightOfTruth says:

September 11, 2006 at 12:56 AM

“I think lies and hate deserve rebuttal”

and that is why so many are rebutting your lies

I laugh at your “shit filled” ignorance
LightOfTruth says:

September 11, 2006 at 1:01 AM

Never forget this day and those that did it

not as a whole….but under a medieval religion
Gili says:

September 11, 2006 at 4:56 AM

I really have to start a contest for the 10th, 25th, 50th, 100th (ad nauseum) commenter to call me a “self-hating Jew.” The comment of course reflects far more on the commenter than on me. It indicates how narrow, how ideological, how provincial and how hidebound his or her definition of Judaism or Jew is.

I don’t know about that. There has got to be something said for someone who spends most of his time defending nazis-wannabies, condemning fellow Jews yet at the same time claiming to be “a better Jew” than the rest of them. Frankly, I think I am in a better position to say that while I might not be an ideal Jewish person (who is?) I am not nearly as bad a Jew as you have become. I care deeply about my fellow Jews and act accordingly, unlike the hallow [sic]words you speak. Ever notice how all major anti-Israel hate groups have a Jew in charge of them? I am hardly surprised you’ve decided to become the poppet [sic] Jew.

I’m a proud Jew (though not so proud to count Gili as among my co-religionists). No one can take that away from me.

It is sad you are diluting [sic] yourself this way. There are so-called Jewish groups out there that openly advocate the destruction of Israel while wearing their orthodox black hats. They visit Iran and Syria and go to all the major protest rallies (I know because I’ve seen them in person) and yet throughout it all they claim to be the “better Jews” and no one can take that away from them. Well sir, if the vast majority of other Jews disagree with your views you might wish to consider how representative your views actually are of Judaism.

Tikun Olam does not exist in a bubble. In the Torah, God openly advocated the mass-destruction of enemies of the Jews without hesitation or regret. Now, I am not in the business of interpreting what God wants (that’s his business) but I really don’t see how you can claim Tikun Olam is about unlimited love of people regardless of how much they hate us and/or try to murder us. That’s not Judaism, that’s some extreme twist of Christianity. Should you wish to convert, I would understand.

There are many good Muslims in the world, but they pale in consideration to the number of Muslims who openly preach hate or sit silently while it is preached around them. I have been witness to countless speeches in synagogues that advocated living in peace amongst our neighbors and avoid jupming to conclusions when we hear rumors but I am afraid the same can’t be said of today’s Muslim religion. Maybe the religion is too young and has to go through its own chrusades [sic]-phase, but either way it’s not my job to become an apologist for them. I work with Muslims that are friendly and I condemn Muslims who are hostile, all without hesitation. One does not proclude [sic] the other.

How many Muslim leaders dedicate their public speechs to calling their fellow Muslims to live in peace with their neighbors and repel back [sic] the extremism that is sweeping their society? I’ve only heard of a handful. Maybe that’s just me, but I try to digest as much news and articles as I can get my hands on, so if I haven’t heard about it it means it probably wasn’t very public to begin with. I constantly get told by fellow Jews that we should seek peace with those around us and be more humble and I feel it is only fair to expect our Muslim neighbors to do the same. Fair is fair.

Gili
S Silverstein says:

September 11, 2006 at 4:57 AM

you forgot to include the hateful comments, cartoons etc. about Jews found all over the internet. However, I guess you give the people who create those a pass.

I don’t give hate a pass ever, on either side.

Yes, you most certainly do. You oppose responses — other than mere words — to Islamist-based fascism. That is “giving hate a pass.” This pacifist response to triumphalist, supremacist movements with open, stated goals to kill Jews and others and spread the ideology of hate has been proven in history to have been an utter failure.

Prove me wrong (and please do it via better research than you did in critiquing LGF).

That you fail to see this is your own personal blindness. How many more Jews, Muslims, and people of non-monotheistic faiths will have to die before pacifists realize that their creed is one of social irresponsibility?
Yitzchak Goodman says:

September 11, 2006 at 10:37 AM

I couldn’t help noticing the exchange in this comment thread having to do with how many acts of terrorism in the world are carried out by Muslims. I just thought of a way to approach this issue: Can anybody think of a case in which a non-Muslim killed himself in a terror-related “work accident”?
Richard Silverstein says:

September 11, 2006 at 12:14 PM

There has got to be something said for someone who spends most of his time defending nazis-wannabies, condemning fellow Jews yet at the same time claiming to be “a better Jew” than the rest of them.

Perhaps you don’t realize it but when you write “there has to be something said for…” that means you’re praising me. I assume you didn’t intend your words that way though if you did I accept yr compliment (I think). As for “condemning Jews” I only condemn those whose views would take Israel down a dead end of endless conflict, war and death. Those I condemn heartily. I and much of the rest of Jewry & humanity have a vision of peace that is realizable and sustainable. Not only that, but this vision is the one that actually will prevail in the end much to the chagrin of folks like you & all the rest at LGF. As for claiming to a be “better Jew” than anyone else, pls. tell me where I said that. I’m not a better Jew than anyone else. But I know distortion, lies and delusions about Jewish values and teachings when I see it. And I see it all the time there (that is, when I am there, which blessedly isn’t all that often). My Jewish education is quite a bit more comprehensive than most, if not all of those who comment at LGF.

I am not nearly as bad a Jew as you have become.

Don’t you dare go there. What puts you in a privileged position to know such things? I’ll stack my knowledge of Judaism & our traditions against you any day. Till then, shut up when it comes to making judgments on subjects you know nothing about. To make such a statement only reveals yr own hubris.

I care deeply about my fellow Jews and act accordingly

Yes, you lie and slander especially those Jews you care so deeply about. That’s a very convincing sign of your caring.

Tikun Olam does not exist in a bubble

What an odd, awkward locution.

In the Torah, God openly advocated the mass-destruction of enemies of the Jews without hesitation or regret.

I do so love it when people like you claim that God supports Jewish efforts at genocide. Yes, God seems to have endorsed the genocidal extermination of the Amalekites, Jebusites and others. It’s a dark stain on the Jewish conscience and Jewish history. But the fatal mistake of your argument is to abuse Jewish history for your own tendentious, propagandistic purposes. Muslims are NOT Amalek and no amount of your distortions can make it so.

I really don’t see how you can claim Tikun Olam is about unlimited love of people regardless of how much they hate us

I don’t claim that at all. I don’t love Muslims in the sense you wish I did. I want to get along with them. I want a world in which Muslims and all other religions live in peace with ea. other. I don’t want a world in which Muslims and Jews are in constant war against ea. other which is your vision, not mine.

Should you wish to convert, I would understand.

You’d like that wouldn’t you. Ain’t gonna happen. So dream on fella or whatever you are.

There are many good Muslims in the world

You must be talking about the ten who endorse the Israeli Occupation, convert to Christianity or Judaism, throw out their Korans and take up the Bible, praise Israel and denounce the Palestinians. Those “good” Muslims?

I have been witness to countless speeches in synagogues that advocated living in peace amongst our neighbors and avoid jumping to conclusions when we hear rumors

“Ears have you but you hear not.” Those speeches don’t seem to have done much good or sunk into that thick skull of yours.

Maybe the religion is too young and has to go through its own chrusades [sic]

Now I know you’ve taken leave of your senses.

I work with Muslims that are friendly

That’s mighty white of you, my friend, might white.

unlike the hallow words you speak

If you’re calling my words “hallowed” you’re again unintentionally praising me. If you meant “hollow” then you either can’t spell or have a tenuous mastery of the language.

I am not in the business of interpreting what God wants

At least you have enough humility to recognize that. I can’t say the same for some of your compatriots.

…all major anti-Israel hate groups have a Jew in charge of them

I have no idea what you’re blathering about. And no I’ve never noticed it because it’s yet another of your made up “statistics.”

It is sad you are diluting [sic] yourself this way.

Are you talking about my bodily fluids or my mental state??

There are so-called Jewish groups out there that openly advocate the destruction of Israel

Yes, we know all about them: Peace Now, New Israel Fund, Brit Tzedek, Meretz, the Labor Party. Nasty groups. LGF should do something about them like banishing them from membership in our religion and nation.

while wearing their orthodox black hats

Now you’re deep. You even know about Netura Karta? I’m humbled by yr level of knowledge of anti-Zionist Jews. I know, that’s not what you meant. But it was so much more fun imagining you actually knew something about Jewish life and views of Israel.

They visit Iran and Syria

Now what are you on about? Who ARE you talking about??

if the vast majority of other Jews disagree with your views you might wish to consider how representative your views actually are of Judaism.

Now we know how deluded you really are. I know precisely what level of support my views have in the Jewish community because unlike you I read reliable polls of Jewish opinion. My views of the Israeli Arab conflict are squarely in the mainstream of that opinion while yours are on the far fringes. If you don’t believe me I dare you to take a single one of your opinions on that conflict & compare it with one of these polls and show me where a majority agrees with you.

The majority is in favor of Israel recognizing a Palestinian state. The majority is in favor of final status negotiations with the Palestinians toward that end. The majority favors discussions with Palestinian parties including Hamas. The majority is in favor of dismantling most settlements. The vast majority was in favor of the Gaza withdrawal. I dare say you oppose all those policy goals & yet you have the incredible chutzpa to say I’m in the minority of Jewish opinion? You’re either delusional or an ass or both.

How many Muslim leaders dedicate their public speeches to calling their fellow Muslims to live in peace…? I’ve only heard of a handful. Maybe that’s just me, but I try to digest as much news and articles as I can get my hands on, so if I haven’t heard about it it means it probably wasn’t very public to begin with.

Whatever you’re digesting it’s not very nutritional or substantial. You’re looking in the wrong places. You think CAMERA, MEMRI & LGF are going to provide Muslim sources for those who wish to live peacefully with Jews? That’s a laugh. Afraid you’ll have to look elsewhere among all the Jewish apikorsim like me whose blog is filled with profiles of such individuals. But you’ll have to do the work to find it since I don’t spoon feed people as abusive & insulting as you are.

I constantly get told by fellow Jews that we should seek peace with those around us

You should listen to them instead of your own prejudices & twisted notions.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 11, 2006 at 12:27 PM

You oppose responses — other than mere words — to Islamist-based fascism. That is “giving hate a pass.”

No, it is NOT. I oppose Muslim hate & I oppose Jewish right wing hate like that found at LGF. Because I denounce LGF does not mean I support hate. It means I’m a rational human being who believes that the Middle East will eventually be a peaceful place despite all the screaming & kicking you folks will do against getting us there.

Prove me wrong (

No, I don’t waste my time taming lions or curing the insane and the delusional. Better human beings than I will have to take on those tasks. I urge you to continue to bask in your ignorance and hate. It becomes you.

This pacifist response

That’s rich. I’m a pacifist because I don’t believe in murdering Muslism? Because I reject the notion of mass murder of Lebanese civilians? Because I reject a failed Iraq invasion and occupation? I am NOT a pacifist and you have absolutely no basis to make that judgment because you’re fatally ignorant of what I believe. I am prudent and believe military power (both regarding Israel and the U.S.) should be used sparingly and only when necessary. I’m opposed to military adventures like Lebanon & Iraq and I’m proud of that. That is NOT pacifism you jerk (even if we do share a name).
George says:

September 11, 2006 at 1:44 PM

“It is his deluded, deranged & troubled readers I & the FBI worry about. It only takes one. ”

As it only takes one troubled muslim to go on a violent spree… but that never… oh wait, that has happened multiple times recently. Funny? Where should we be focusing?

You seem like the guy who opposes “threat profiling” in airports… because 70 yr old grandmothers from Oaklahoma are just as likely to be terrorists and we wouldn’t want to offend anyone…. Right?

When was the last time you have beent to the Middle East? I have spend 18months of the last 3 years there. Your comments wreak of ignorance and “if I wish hard enough, the world will be perfect and if we just like them enough, they will like us back” type of thinking. LGF (and to some part Daily Kos) both pale in comparison to the hate that is spewed from Mosques around the world in Fridays. You want to find hate… look to where it started. LGF would be irrelivant if it were not for Islamic Militancy. If you want to chase the tit for tat back to 600 AD’ish, you will find that it was Islam, not the west, that stuck the first blow of this current conflict. But that would require work… and you say you don’t do much research. I guess if “fake but accurate” is good enough for Reuters, it is good enough for you.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 11, 2006 at 4:33 PM

Can anybody think of a case in which a non-Muslim killed himself in a terror-related “work accident”?

The original bogus claim revolved around terror attacks not suicide bombings. As for your actual question–I find it irrelevant to this discussion. You’ve got a blog of yr own–why don’t you explore the question there?
Richard Silverstein says:

September 11, 2006 at 5:07 PM

Where should we be focusing?

You clearly believe that only Muslims pose a terror danger to our world. Have you forgotten individual Jewish & Israeli acts of terror against Palestinians & Arabs? And if we expand the notion of terror slightly do you think that the Lebanese have no right to complain of indiscriminate IDF terror rained down upon them for 6 wks. Or how about the terror of U.S. GIs murdering Iraqi civilians in cold blood. Sorry but Muslims have no monopoly on terror.

I have spend [sic] 18months of the last 3 years there.

Big deal. You want to appoint yourself a Mideast expert because you’ve spent time there recently? As for my bona fides, I lived in Israel two years, I am a fluent reader, writer & speaker of Hebrew, I have advanced degrees in Hebrew Literature. I’ve studied the subject of Israeli-Arab relations since 1967. Now what expertise did you want to claim that I don’t have?? And just for the helluva it whereabouts were you in the ME during that time that you learned so much about it?

LGF would be irrelivant [sic] if it were not for Islamic Militancy.

No, LGF IS irrelevant, but whether or not there is “Islamic Militancy” has nothing to do w. its relevance. LGF is irrelevant because it is based on a twisted, deluded projection of reality rather than anything that comes close to being real.

If you want to chase the tit for tat back to 600 AD’ish, you will find that it was Islam, not the west, that stuck the first blow of this current conflict.

Your grasp of Islamic history is simply breathtaking especially the facts, citations & references. I simply can’t compete w. you far superior command of prejudice & ignorance.

you say you don’t do much research

Ah that would be a lie. I do plenty of research–far more in a year than you’ll do in a lifetime no doubt. I spent 11 years of my life studying Jewish studies & the Israeli-Arab conflict at the undergrad & grad level. How ’bout you?

But I choose to limit the amount of time I spend in the LGF slime pit. That’s the only sense in which I limit my research. I do have limits after all.
Eric says:

September 11, 2006 at 11:34 PM

Richard,
It took me a day to get back to you a reply to your answer to my comment. I hope you still read this.
I did not call you “a member of a Judenrat”. I did compare you to Adam Czerniakow, a chairman of the Judenrat in the Warsaw Ghetto. I also suggested that you should look up some information about him and even provided one possible link for it. I suspect you did not bother to look at it. I was making a point that you either missed or chose to ignore, choosing instead to get offended. You see, Adam Czerniakow was different from countless other members of countless other Judenrats throughout Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe. Those others were merely trying to save their own skin. Not Czerniakow. He, on the other hand, sincerely believed that by negotiating with the Germans and cooperating with them he would save the Jewish population of Warsaw along with many others who were forced into the Warsaw Ghetto. His mistake was understandable: he was a rational man. But you see, you cannot negotiate with people who simply want to kill you. When Adam Czerniakow realized his mistake, he killed himself. You also might choose to believe that you can negotiate with Islamo-fascists. A little explanation: the term “islamo-fascists” does not describe all Muslims, but rather describes the followers of a particular totalitarian ideology, political n nature, that based on the religion of Islam. If you would like to dispute the fascist nature of this ideology, before you do, look at this Time magazine photo essay:
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/2006/inside_hizballah/
Aren’t these kids lovely?
This is not even counting historical connections, which are numerous. This is now.
You probably think that Charles Johnson is some right wing nut. He is very far from it. It is very interesting to read his archives immediately following 9/11/2001 and see the transformation of his view of President Bush. You probably think that you are a Liberal. You are probably even proud of it. I have a bad news for you. You are not a Liberal. I am. And so is Charles Johnson. In the original, classical sense of the word. I’d like to re-claim the term. I hope you would read this:
http://www.oldwardogs.us/2006/07/reclaiming_the_.html
Sorry about the shameless plug. By the way, this article also contains a photograph, originally published by Reuters. Unfortunately the original Reuters link does not work any more: it’s been a while. Nevertheless, you might find this photograph quite telling.
Finally, I would like to recommend you to see the excellent NBC movie “Uprising”, mentioned in that Wikipedia link on Adam Czerniakow. The movie is very accurate, except it completely ignores the revisionist part of the resistance in the Ghetto (followers of Zhabotinsky). Still, do watch it. It is good.
Good luck to you and shalom.
Eric.
Richard Silverstein says:

September 12, 2006 at 12:08 AM

I did not call you “a member of a Judenrat”. I did compare you to Adam Czerniakow, a chairman of the Judenrat in the Warsaw Ghetto.

What sophistry! You didn’t call me a member of the Judenrath, but rather compared me to its chairman. Forgive me for the nuance is lost on me. Give it up. You as good as called me a Jew traitor to my people. A well-intentioned traitor perhaps, but a traitor nevertheless. I don’t take too kindly to such calumnies.

I also suggested that you should look up some information about him and even provided one possible link for it. I suspect you did not bother to look at it.

Only an incredibly presumptuous person would believe that someone like me needed to be informed or educated about what the Judenrath was & who Czerniakow was. I don’t need you to provide links to this information as I’ve studied the Holocaust, read the sources, & pondered the issues for many decades. As well, several family members died at the hands of the Nazis. So pls. no lessons on this.

And comparing me to Czierniakow is a dastardly calumny. Besides, for the umpteenth time here Muslims are not Nazis and I reject the very notion that there is anything to learn about the Israeli-Arab conflict or Muslim extremism by reference to the Holocaust. This is a misuse of Jewish history which your side seems quite expert at.

You also might choose to believe that you can negotiate with Islamo-fascists.

I reject the terms entirely. First, I don’t know what you mean by the repulsive term, Islamo-fascist. If by this you include Hamas or even Fatah and Mahmoud Abbas, then certainly I firmly believe that there will be successful negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians which will inaugurate a peaceful resolution of their conflict.

You probably think that Charles Johnson is some right wing nut

Gee, you think?

You are not a Liberal. I am. And so is Charles Johnson. In the original, classical sense of the word.

Edmund Burke is rolling over in his grave. You do remember that the greatest practitioner of Liberalism adamantly opposed the Revolutionary War and thought it was a waste of the King’s treasury. Apparently, you’re happy to wrap yourself in Burke’s political philosophy while ignoring how he played those views out in political reality.
Adam Hyman says:

September 12, 2006 at 9:22 AM

You’re a generation too late.

This isn’t the 1960′s anymore.

Get a life.