17 thoughts on “Israel’s State of Perpetual War and Death – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. Not sure if the statement “Failure and loss of hope are precisely what triggered the Hamas 10/7 attack.” holds true as far as Hamas is concerned. REF. suicide bombings in 1990s when hopes ran high (I think B. Goldstein may have been the excuse but not the motive).

    1. @AlanH: The suicide bombings were a response, at least in part, to Shimon Peres’ refusal to take advantage of the peace opening made by Yitzhak Rabin before his assassination. I do not think Hamas felt much hope in that situation. Also, during the First Intifada Hamas conducted individual attacks. While 10/7 was a massive, coordinated attack by 1,000 fighters. Far different than the 1st Intifada. Israeli response is also far different. I don’t think the situations are comparable.

  2. Richard: ” Biblical vengeance is bad enough: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. This is a mass murder for an Israeli death. …..”
    “This is not a security policy. This is pure vengeance…”
    “They expect this brutish punishment will deter future fighters from doing what these did.”
    …………..
    The BBC this morning in it’s report on the hospital we are looking at for evidence, has published a photo of a wall in Gaza, red spray painted star of David with IDF inside the star and above in large red letters NEVER AGAIN. I cannot reproduce it here. Check here to see if they still have it up https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67436154 This caused me to pause.
    We here have been calling this retaliation and revenge. Israel has been using every other word to justify what seems obviously deeply rooted revenge, scapegoating Palestinians for all of our history by doing the exact same thing to them, eye for an eye, but with modern weapons. “Targeted” really?
    They have propaganda “Baghdad Bob’s” that guy on Netanyahu’s guy, Mark Regev on MSNBC TV regularly. There are others down in the depths talking to the press showing a very selected display : this Conricus fellow stand out lately.
    Israel has been successful in getting the sympathy of the world. But I think the brutality, the disproportion, the indiscrimination, “the teach them a lesson” RAMBO-ness is wearing very thin.
    This mode of showing military, ruthlessness passed for strength for a long long time. The real lesson of Never Again has been completely corrupted by this darkness, this obsessive need to be the victim at the same time as Rambo.
    In a sense all this anti- Semitism, much, maybe most of it just anti-Israel or even proPalestinians feeds strengthens the claim of Jews as the victims for some. It’s really sick. Every Jew does not feel this way and are heartsick over this all. Some of us are disappointed in Biden’s moral weakness.

    1. Here he is the Baghdad Bob of Israel– really irksome, unless you swallow it as Nicole Wallace seems to: https://www.msnbc.com/jose-diaz-balart/watch/netanyahu-advisor-mark-regev-we-have-discovered-weapons-in-al-shifa-hospital-197945925581?cid=referral_taboolafeed

      At the moment, I don’t think anything really major has been found at Al Shifa, though a nefarious presence is shown.. not verified. The question always has to be was this worth the destruction disruption and death caused. This is or was a state of the art hospital.

      Israel is desperate to show the world what it finds. There are much larger questions.
      (I wish I could go back and correct my mistakes above… sorry)

    2. Over the years Bibi’s guy Mark Regev has been despicable … I couldn’t watch or listen to him for 10 sec. … knew all his rhetoric by heart … new and younger generation of innocent minds are quite gullible. History is not on their minds in the 40 character X message and less than a single day memory of news items.

      ”Israel has been successful in getting the sympathy of the world”

      Not so … same as with Ukraine the Western alliance … see the recent UNGA decision and yesterday’s adoption of the UNSC Resolution, the U.S. has lost the Global South.

      This group of nations has an issue with Israel’s Apartheid and occupation of Palestinian territory. A map how the UN is divided on the adoption of the proposal to refer Israel to the ICJ last December. Unfortunately it may take 5 years for a decision from the The Hague World Court.

      1. Oui–Israel was successful in getting much sympathy, many horrified by Hamas massacre. Then Israel began retaliation and it’s ongoing current operation characteristically killing 10 times as many Gazans indiscriminately and wrecklessly without justification or care in the

        I don’t follow what you mean about Ukraine. The last UN vote was February or March 2023 near as I can tell.

  3. Greetings from Israel,

    @ Potter

    ” Israel began retaliation and it’s ongoing current operation characteristically killing 10 times as many Gazans indiscriminately and wrecklessly without justification or care… ”

    Israel characteristically kills 10 times as many Gazans because Gazans don’t have air raid shelters like Israelis do. Hamas has built miles and miles of fortified tunnels, but Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to shelter in the tunnels.

    Israel has a sophisticated civil defense system that warns Israelis of incoming rockets and missiles. Most of these rockets and missiles are knocked down by the Iron Dome rocket defense system.

    The point, Potter, is this.
    Hamas has aimed and fired thousands of rockets at Israeli civilian targets since October 7.
    That these rockets kill few Israelis is only because Israel defends itself better than Hamas defends Gaza.

    Additionally, missiles from Lebanon, Syria and Yemen, are also targeting Israeli civilian targets in Northern and Southern Israel but Israel’s Arrow defense system is knocking them down as well.

    1. @ Minute Man:

      Israel characteristically kills 10 times as many Gazans because Gazans don’t have air raid shelters

      Wrong. Israel kills ten times more Gazans than Hamas killed Israelis because Israeli weapons are immensely powerful and lethal, while Hamas can only mount rockets and in the case of 10/7 an incursion. If Hamas could mount the sort of Campaign Israel has mounted, then it could kills as many Israelis. But this will never happen and Israel can go on its merry way committing genocide without the world lifting a finger. And regarding those hypothetical Gaza shelters, Israel could destroy such shelters if they wanted to do so. Israel used bunker buster bombs in Gaza. Do you think they could not destroy such a shelter if it was targeted?

      Hamas has built miles and miles of fortified tunnels, but Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to shelter in the tunnels.

      Hamas tunnels are meant to defend Gaza. They are not meant to shelter civilians from attack. Nor can Hamas build such protective shelters because of the Israeli siege. It prevents the materials necessary to build them. So Hamas must prioritize what construction materials it gets for its defensive fortifications.

      That these rockets kill few Israelis is only because Israel defends itself better than Hamas defends Gaza.

      Not so. Even before Israel had Iron Dome, Hamas/IJ rockets killed 20 Israelis over a decade.

      1. ” So Hamas must prioritize what construction materials it gets for its defensive fortifications. ”

        Right. Hamas hides in bunkers, while ordinary Gazans suffer and die aboveground.

        How many thousands of Gazans might be alive today if they’d been allowed by Hamas to shelter in those miles and miles of tunnels?

        I guess I shouldn’t ask dumb questions. Right?

        1. Doctor- Hamas would then have to give up the resistance/terror/violence/armed struggle that the group needed the tunnels for ( especially given Israeli surveillance and periodic military operations.). The tunnels must have grown over the years.
          There is and has been for many years no peace process and blatantly no desire for one on the Israeli side. Israel being the stronger, has to be willing.
          Palestinians were managed instead, forgotten behind walls checkpoints and fences, blockaded , the people lockedin Gaza. They were allowed little sips of freedom lately, Israel’s attempt to pacify, as it went ahead with settling more land, encroaching on the holy site, and making deals with Arab countries.
          So Hamas has a cause to fight for that is existential for Palestinians.
          There would be no need for resistance if there was no Occupation for 56 years. Passive resistance has not worked.
          Thus Hamas.
          If they ere not dedicated to violent resistance and did not have support -somewhat out of the despair created by Israel- there would be no tunnels. Why then would Gazans need to hide in them?– and alternatively why would Israelis need bunkers or safe rooms? There would possibly we some sort of peace arrangement.
          Hamas and their tunnels maybe has changed the equations but at an enormous price for everyone. The blame game now.
          I see catch 22 – or yin and yang

  4. The Economist gets it:
    ….. in order for evacuation to be feasible, people need somewhere safe to go. Israel therefore needs to go further by providing more immediate support to the hospital, supplying trauma and other medical facilities nearby and ensuring those who are evacuated have an alternative refuge.

    ……A crucial step is to open its border point at Kerem Shalom to let in aid and fuel deliveries. Israel should also create emergency medical facilities, take patients to Israeli hospitals, and be prepared to set up temporary refugee camps in Israeli territory in the Negev desert. Israel is entitled to go to war with Hamas. But it must do more to rebut the charge that it is going to war against the Palestinian people.”

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/16/the-rights-and-wrongs-of-israel-and-hamas-at-al-shifa-hospital

    Israel could do this.

  5. It’s perfectly reasonable to kill any person who was participated in the 10/7 attack. Of course, no one should be intentionally targeted because of their familial relation to any person.

  6. What I find disturbing is the acceptance of killing other people, while invoking human suffering and pain as cause. Then when people are sensitive to pain they would not accept killing. We know, that within the military strategic thinking killing is a way of life and they are used to the idea or even recognize the obligation to decide who may live and who must die. But civil society has defined killing a crime and killing masses a crime against humanity. The military vision on life and society is not compatible with civil society. It should be banned from this earth.

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