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  1. Given that’s it’s Naftali Bennett proposing this, shouldn’t there be something in there about just shooting the subjects if they’re Palestinian?

    After all, if memory serves, there’s nothing wrong with doing that.

  2. Do you know anything about epidemiology? statistical sampling? the importance of testing? If anything, Bennet is the only one in the government with a clear plan of action regarding covid-19.

    1. @ DH: I’m sure I know as much about these subjects as you, if not more. Nor does AI prediction have anything to do with them. As for Bennett: he’s no expert on them either.

      But one thing I am sure of, The Tool and this scoring method of identifying Israelis based on an artificial construct will kill Israeli democracy even more than it’s already been killed by 20 years of Likudism and Bibism.

  3. “But not, as with the Haredim, of their own choosing” – do you know anything about Haredim? Whose choosing is it if not their own? Who forces them into poverty by studying Torah instead of go out to earn.

    Seems like blackwashing Israel is your favorite sport and you will do it without regard to the subject. The government begged the Haredim leaders to instruct their communities to stay in but they chose to ignore it. Even now, what they care about is Mikvah for the women.

    Your crocodile tears over privacy when it come on the expense of human life is disturbing. If these measures remain after the epidemic passes you have every right to complaint but meanwhile, your willingness to not use effective measures to save life is extremely disturbing.

    1. @ carmel yativ: Oh woe is poor Israel to be afflicted with Haredim such as these. Enough with the crocodile tears. We have hundreds of thousands of Haredim living in this country. Though they maintain similar types of separation from society as they do in Israel, those living here seem to be able to earn a living and participate in society in far more integrated fashion than in Israel. Not to mention that while there have been some isolated instances here of Haredim ignoring quarantine, by and large the community is adhering to secular government directives. THere are no mass funerals, prayer services are broken up by police, etc.

      If that is not happening in Israel it is not just the fault of the Haredim themselves. It is the fault of the government which has failed them, failed to integrate them into society, allowed them to run roughshod over secular government authority. You have only yourselves to blame for this.

      Seems like blackwashing Israel is your favorite sport

      You may not engage in outrageous unfounded insults here. Do this again and you will be banned.

      Your crocodile tears over privacy when it come [sic] on the expense of human life is disturbing.

      Only a Judeo-fascist who has no value for democracy could associate the demand for respecting individual rights with “crocodile tears.” I am deeply offended by this cavalier attitude toward basic values of democratic society. As for valuing human life–individual liberty and privacy are at the heart of respect for human life. WHile Bennett’s algorithm has nothing to do with human life and there is no evidence that it would save a single life.

      Do not post again in this thread.

  4. i haven’t a racist bone in my body, but if benett can get the haredim split, heck i wont have to worry about going to the wall without being spat on or mugged by beggars selling “prayers” on the wall. needed a laff. being locked up is no fun,
    you keep repeating yourself, Israel is corrupt thru and thru both mind and soul. not a single politician is able to formulate a proper phrase without having partSS of it being faulty in one way or another.
    few israelis are able to fathom the extent that they are in jail without knowing it or their consent.
    where do the NSO et al geniuses get their experience and expertise and ideas from, obviously, from the Shabak et al wardens OF THE TRUTH.
    Benett is just a puppet out of his depth in any place beyond pizzahut, and he is spewing idiocies just to be on the front page . Israel isn’t worth a dime since bibi succeeded in breaking israeli politics and politicianSSSSSSS.
    so whatever is done and said is ONLY and SOLELY for the race to the bottom line keep the israeli brains busy with toys while the rich get richer and the crooks stay as leaders.
    the worst trolls have become our leaders, what do you expect

  5. @Richard Silverstein

    You wrote:

    “We have hundreds of thousands of Haredim living in this country. Though they maintain similar types of separation from society as they do in Israel, those living here seem to be able to earn a living and participate in society in far more integrated fashion than in Israel. Not to mention that while there have been some isolated instances here of Haredim ignoring quarantine, by and large the community is adhering to secular government directives. There are no mass funerals, prayer services are broken up by police, etc.

    If that is not happening in Israel it is not just the fault of the Haredim themselves. It is the fault of the government which has failed them, failed to integrate them into society, allowed them to run roughshod over secular government authority. You have only yourselves to blame for this.”

    I would argue “yes and no” to the Heredim fitting into the United States – they stay among themselves, but if you were a reader of the sadly-defunct “Failed Messiah” blog of Scott (Shmarya) Rosenblum, you know there was a load of crazy schemes going on within the Lubavitch-Chabad sector of Ultra-Orthodoxy, things that if I listed them, I would be accused of antisemitism by the Israeli denizens of these threads. Since Rosenblum was forced (!) to sell his site, other ex-Orthodox or anonymous Orthodox members are running blogs like Lost Messiah (https://lostmessiahdotcom.wordpress.com), Chefraud-Depravitch (another wordpress site), and preserve-ramapo.com – there’s more drama then you get in a season of potboiler ABC-TV shows like “How to Get Away With Murder” on each of these sites. All that mentioned – none of it bears any weight on the greater American society because of how huge the United States is compared to Israel, plus the benefits of being a secular state with a multicultural society.

    1. @ strelnikov2: It’s Shmaryahu Rosenberg, not Rosenblum. And I have been in contact with both him and Lost Messiah. Though I find Rosenberg impossible to deal with, the author of Los Messiah is a genuinely lovely person. She herself comes out of the Haredi community. So it’s hard to make sweeping judgments about all of Haredi Judaism. But certainly there are noxious elements both personally and systemically in ultra Orthodoxy. I’ve written about some of these escapades here.

      It is true that Kiryas Joel and communities like it pose great problems to surrounding non-Jewish communities. They resist integration tooth and claw. But there is much more pushback here against some of their worst practices when they impact the outside world. And there is support for those who leave these communities, as hard as that may be. I don’t think any of that happens in Israel.

      And as you say, I think the negative impact in Israel is greater than here since our secular multicultural society is so much more robust than Israel’s.

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