9 thoughts on “Pew Report: Democratic Support for Israel Nose-Dives – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders voted the same 93% of the time. She had the 7th most liberal voting record in the Senate. Bernie loves guns. Hillary got stuff done (exhibit A: CHIP with Kennedy’s help… putting 10-million kids into single-payer Medicaid), Bernie some scattered amendments and lots of promises he has no intention of keeping (like Medicare for All and job guarantee bills with no funding or costs attached).

    Hillary and the Dems gutlessly voted to allow Bush to wage war in Iraq (after being shamed for NOT supporting Gulf 1). I helped Bulgarian environmentalists successfully fight Hillary and Obama when they pushed to have Bulgaria frack in a geologically unsafe region — in response to Putin blackmailing Europe on Russian natural gas supplies.

    All that said, I see a lot of rhetoric dividing Democrats from the idealistic young progressives, but not a lot of substance. I’m surprised you see such a gulf.

  2. As a Jew who is registered as Non-Partisan(for independent in California) who mostly votes Democratic(never Republican), I will no longer support Democratic candidates for federal offices in either primary or general elections that support huge military budgets, and who give UNCONDITIONAL support to Israel. I am pleased that the overwhelming majority of Democrats don’t sympathize with Israel now. There are too many vital domestic needs that we need to spend our taxes on. Senator Kamala Harris, take notice!!!

  3. I think that you are way too influenced by particular day to day events or news Items.
    Before your hit the “You’re done on this thread” key-
    Have you read Steve Pinker’s latest book “Enlightenment Now”?
    He suggests a thought experiment– imagine that newspapers came out only once in 10 years.
    What would they say? I think that you would find that most things are better than they seem, and getting better overall. The world, including the Middle East, is not going to hell.
    The distortion from reading the news is because of the “availability heuristic”– overemphasis on recent or dramatic events that stick in your memory.

    As far as the Gaza deaths, Hamas has gone on record openly saying the 50 of the 60 who were killed at the fence were their men.
    https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/hamas-official-says-50-members-killed-week-gaza-border-doc-1515uk2

    So much for the IDF “shooting at peaceful protesters”…

    And nobody is calling for investigations of Russian, Iranian killings in Syria or Turkish bombing of Kurds, which have been far more lethal. Turkish hypocrisy screams from the heavens.

    In any case we all know that this will be forgotten as the news cycle turns to other things, like Trumps latest tweet or Stormy Daniels.

    1. Hamas members have a death sentence in Israel? If you are from Hamas people are allowed to execute you? Maybe they should be made to wear a little patch on their clothing (green, perhaps moon shaped?) so as to avoid mistakes.

    2. @ DrS: This is not a book group. I don’t need or want to know what you’re reading or what you read. If you want to tell someone about that there are tons of sites where you can discuss your reading. Not here.

      The fatal problem with your portrayal of the Gaza dead is that just because some of them may’ve been members of Hamas does not ipso facto make them terrorists. If that were true, then the British could have lined up every Lehi & Irgun or Palmach member they could find & summarily execute them. It would be similar to a victorious Arab army lining up everyone in the Kirya and executing them all en masse without distinguishing between secretaries, soldiers, office staff, drivers, cleaning crew. You’ve made the outrageous assumption that every member of Hamas is a cold blooded terrorist/killer. An absolutely false assumption. One that shows both your ignorance and your racism.

      nobody is calling for investigations of Russian, Iranian killings in Syria

      DO NOT engage in Diversion 101, classic Hasbara. No one owes you or anyone a defense or explanation of any injustice committed anywhere in the world. We’re here to talk about Israel and it’s relation to the Arab world. If that’s too restrictive for you, go elsewhere.

      In any case we all know that this will be forgotten as the news cycle turns to other things, like Trumps latest tweet or Stormy Daniels

      You’re full of horses**t. No one here shares your cynicism. If you want to peddle it do it somewhere else. I put you on notice, your time may be short (here).

      1. Wow, Mr Silverstein, you can’t win here!

        Your blog entries are full of cynicism regarding Israel, its motives, its tactics, its leadership, but when I make a cynical statement– “there’s no room for cynicism here”. How is my cynicism different?

        Why is referring to a book a problem? Don’t you demand sources for claims??

        My comment about Syria or Turkey was about perspective, its not changing the subject. Nothing can be discussed in a vacuum. Just as your negative judgement of Israel, or the Palestinians predicament, is based on perspective and comparison to others. Its called norms. I don’t accuse you of “changing the subject”.

        I am using standard argumentation tools that people use in the course of conversation. You respond with indignation and outrage, as well as a false analogy.
        I never claimed or implied that all Hamas members have a death sentence. But in this case they were engaged in hostile and violent acts.(and there’s good evidence for this). In your view I gather that there’s nothing wrong with that, in fact its laudable. Although some innocent bystanders were injured or killed, that was not the main thrust of what happened. A photo or video of a young man in civilian clothes by carried away on a stretcher doesn’t change that. [That’s perspective, not Hasbara!]

        The Palestinian narrative regarding the purpose of the protests is incoherent. The Palestinians are telling their own people one thing, but telling the world something else.

        Mr. S, I am not a troll, so if you don’t want me here just tell me so and I will go away.
        I thought (perhaps erroneously) that you wanted an honest discussion about Israel, but instead all I get from you are angry denigrating responses, absolutist statements and threats to censor me for racism.
        You can ignore my comments, let others respond, or tell me to leave, no need to moderate or “ban” me

        Its your blog

        1. @ DrS:

          Your blog entries are full of cynicism regarding Israel

          I don’t like your cynicism. And I don’t care what you think of my views toward Israel.

          My comment about Syria or Turkey was about perspective, its not changing the subject.

          I don’t care what you call it. It’s a hasbara diversion and not acceptable. Get this through your head: you can whine all you want about whatever you want. I’m not interested in whining. You know the rules. Follow them. If you don’t, you won’t last here.

          I am using standard argumentation tools that people use…

          You’re using standard argumentation that hasbarists use. Don’t.

          I never claimed or implied that all Hamas members have a death sentence.

          You said that Hamas admitted that 50 of the 60 dead were Hamas members. That’s justifying the murder of all 50 merely for being members of Hamas. Not for any act they committed. Not to mention that none of the acts anyone committed in Gaza merited cold blooded murder. I don’t like the murder of Palestinians by Israel. Get that through your skull. Anyone who defends such murders as you have earns my scorn.

          But in this case they were engaged in hostile and violent acts.(and there’s good evidence for this).

          All 50 alleged Hamas members were engaged in hostile violent acts which merited their murder??? What idiocy!

          Although some innocent bystanders were injured or killed, that was not the main thrust of what happened.

          Horseshit. Babies were killed, old men, journalists, medics. They were all innocent bystanders. The “main thrust” of what happened was indiscriminate murder.

          The Palestinian narrative regarding the purpose of the protests is incoherent.

          No, you are incoherent and offensive. No pro-Israel apologists gets to judge the Palestinian narrative. That’s insulting and racist.

          I thought (perhaps erroneously) that you wanted an honest discussion about Israel

          The key word is “honest.” You are not honest. You are a propagandist and not a very good one at that.

          I don’t care whether you leave or stay. That’s not my decision, unless you violate the comment rules. But you ARE done in this thread.

  4. Hello @Richard. You have a typo, I believe, in the first paragraph. Where the line reads “Their politics ae increasingly tone-dear.´ Should that read “tone-deaf”?
    Theo

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