Fadi al Batsch,Palestinian professor, ssassinated by Israeli Mossad in Malaysia
The source’s above statement and reporting by Israel’s Channel 10 confirms that al Batsh was also killed by the Mossad.
Yesterday, Israel’s Mossad assassinated Fadi al Batsh (English language report), a Palestinian Senior Lecturer in the Electrical Engineering Section, British Malaysian Institute, University of Kuala Lumpur (UniKL). He was originally from Gaza and earned his PhD in 2009 at the same institution. His school bio describes research interests:
He is the author and co-author of more than 25 publications in an international journals and proceedings in the area of Power Systems and Power Electronics. His research interests include FACTS devices, power converters, power quality, microgrid and renewable energy.
Israeli media are calling him an “engineer” which is Israeli security- speak for a weapons maker. In actuality, he was professor at a major Malaysian university.
Two Israeli assassins on a motorbike shot ten bullets, four of which struck him on the head and body, killing him instantly. He was making his way to the local mosque for early morning prayer. Imagine if a Palestinian militant assassinated an Israeli nuclear engineer as he emerged from prayer at a synagogue. The uproar would be immense and geshrei of anti-Semitism would be deafening. But apparently, Muslim prayer means nothing while Jewish prayer means everything.
In the Twitter thread linked above an Israeli wrote: “ten bullets? Why did they have to waste so many?” This is what passes for wit in today’s Israel.
A knowledgeable Israeli source likened this murder to that of Mohammed al Zoari, another Palestinian researcher accused of being a drone engineer who was, among other things, purportedly researching use of underwater drones. A Mossad hit team assassinated al Zoari in Tunis last year. The statement by the source and Israel’s Channel 10 news report confirm that al Batsh as well was murdered by the Mossad.
Keep in mind that these claims regarding the activities of the victims are one-sided and only offer the view of the Israeli intelligence apparatus which murdered him.
This begs the question: if the Mossad murders Palestinian academics with impunity, why is there any argument against the academic boycott of Israeli universities? It seems to me that it’s perfectly legitimate to argue that as long as Israel’s government assassins target the world’s academics, that Israeli educational institutions should be in BDS’ cross-hairs. If Israeli universities object to this, then they should pressure the country’s assassins to stop murdering professors.
That of course would never happen because Israelis isolate themselves from moral culpability. A professor would never see the equivalence between him or herself and a dead Palestinian professor.
It would also seem to me that such Mossad targeting might endanger Israeli academics who themselves specialize in the same engineering fields as those of the murdered Palestinian professors. What’s good for the goose…
‘…Imagine if a Palestinian militant assassinated an Israeli nuclear engineer as he emerged from prayer at a synagogue. The uproar would be immense and geshrei of anti-Semitism would be deafening…’
Imagine if Russia conducted an assassination in England…
For example.
Mr. al Batsh was a high ranking Hamas commander, and probably a drone expert.
“The funeral service by the Islamic movement’s militant wing… suggested al-Batsh was actually one of its military commanders. At a mourning house in the Gaza Strip, a banner described al-Batsh as a member of the military wing.”
“A mourning house in Gaza for Albatsh was then opened by the terror group, with a main banner at the entrance to the tent describing Albatsh as a member of the military wing and “a commander.”
“Ten masked terrorists in camouflage uniforms stood in a line outside the tent in Jabalia, the slain man’s hometown, to greet mourners. The ceremony is typical for senior Hamas commanders.”
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5236787,00.html
@ Elena: My, so Ynet is all of a sudden privy to the military list of Hamas commanders? No, it merely repeated what a Mossad agent told its reporter and treated it as truth.
As for me, when a senior lecturer at a major university specializing in power grids is murdered supposedly for improving the optics of Hamas drones, there’s something wrong there. Either they killed the wrong man. Or they killed the man they targeted but he wasn’t doing the research they believed he was; or he had a secret research career.
Try being a little less credulous about Israeli intelligence propaganda. Most of it is bullshit. Some isn’t. But most is.
@Richard
Photo of al Batsh funeral, with ten masked, armed Hamas men.
https://www.ksl.com/?nid=235&sid=46304963&title=hamas-says-man-gunned-down-in-malaysia-was-important-member
al Batsh had published drone research in 2013. The fact that he stopped continuing to publish drone research raises suspicions. Also, al Batsh had plans to travel to Turkey (for unknown reasons), and these travel plans may have triggered his assassination.
Nazi missile researchers working for Syria. Dr. Gerald Bull’s work on an Iraqi ‘superman’. Osirak.
You have to agree, the list of Israel’s enemies is a long one.
@Colin
“..you needn’t fret about certainty, law, evidence, or even international boundaries.”
Apparently, Israel lives according to one law, the ‘law of the jungle’.
BTW, the good people of the Bronx have a saying, ‘Better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six”.
@ Elena: Al Batsh wasn’t judged by anyone. That’s the problem. He was judged by a bullet ordered by Bibi Netanyahu and Yossi Cohen. That’s a judge, jury and executioner rolled into one.
You have given no proof that this is the Mossad etc and it remains just supposition based on a simple gut reaction
al Batsh was a Gazan/Palestinian and murdered. In as much as al Batsh was probably an enemy of Israel therefore Israel killed him.
False syllogism.
On the other hand” ’10’ bullets…. why such waste” you know the Israel saying מה שבטוח בטוח but still offers no proof that Israel did it.
@ Yisrael: “No proof,” except an Israeli source who actually knows through first hand information that the Mossad assassinated him. The same source who’s informed me of scores of previous security-realated stories which have all proven accurate. A source is not a “gut reaction.” It is a direct confirmation. Try again hasbaroid. Maybe you’ll do better next time…
‘Mr. al Batsh was a high ranking Hamas commander, and probably a drone expert…’
Note how speculation becomes fact. ‘Suggested’ in the passage Elena quotes becomes fact in her post.
Worse, therefore Israel gets to kill him — summarily, and wherever on the planet he may be. ‘Probably’ will suffice, and no need to consult Malaysia or even attempt to extradite him for whatever offense Israel feels he committed against her.
This swaggering and blatant disregard for even the most primitive notions of legality is one of Israel’s many, many unattractive features. Actually, you don’t get to kill people that annoy you, whereever they may be. That’s wrong.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-04-21/hamas-says-man-gunned-down-in-malaysia-was-important-member
“Hamas militant group says a man gunned down in Malaysia was one of its members and accuses Israel of killing him.”
“…
Though Hamas stressed al-Batsh’s scientific background, the funeral service of the Islamic movement’s militant wing suggested al-Batsh was actually one of its military commanders. At a mourning tent in the Gaza Strip, a banner described al-Batsh as a member of the military wing. Ten masked militants in camouflage uniforms stood in a line outside the tent in Jabaliya, the slain man’s hometown, to greet mourners. The ceremony is typical for senior Hamas commanders.”
@ Nimrod: Yes, completely believable that a man devoted to the study of electrical engineering and power grids who spent the last decade of his life in Kuala Lumpur was a senior Hamas commander. Perhaps an officer in the Palestinian foreign legion??
I missed the smoke no gun that points at Israel assassinating the guy.
So, you choose to believe Israel killed a guy for no reason. Why won’t you believe Israel isn’t even involved.
Why would Hamas even refer to the guy if he wasn’t working for Hamas? That could have been a criminal act that doesn’t have anything to do with Israeli Palestinian conflict.
You decided Israel is involved but not al Batsch. No proof just your seasoned journalist instincts and while admirable, I keep on reminding myself this is mainly your guts feelings.
@ Jim: You missed all the evidence the Mossad murdered him because you don’t want to see or acknowledge it. That’s not my problem. It’s yours.
After I publish posts like this (and there have been so many), there are invariably a few nitwits like you wearing exceedingly thick, opaque glasses who deny, despite all evidence to the contrary, what is right before your eyes.
I didn’t say Israel had no reason to kill him. The Mossad invents thousands of reasons to kill people. I said they had no legitimate reason to kill him.
Nor did I say he wasn’t affiliated with Hamas. I said that the reasons given for his assassination seemed incomplete or suspicious.
Good day, Richard.
Do you remember the Turkish academic that Israel arrested in Jerusalem a few months back.
It turned out that this Turkish professor was a shadow jihadist for a Turkish ‘deep state’ mercenary army. Israel accused the professor of trying to fund Hamas in the West Bank.
So yes, a person can be an academic and an Islamist, at the same time.
What, if anything, does your ‘source’ have to say about Mr. al Batsh?
Israel is a rogue state. You cannot simply go and shoot people in other countries.
Hello Elisabeth,
“Israel is a rogue state. You cannot simply go and shoot people in other countries.”
Well, going and shooting people in other countries is what the United States has been doing daily, going on eighteen years.
I believe the United States first went rogue when Teddy Roosevelt charged up San Juan Hill.
Am I wrong, Elisabeth? On either count?
@ Frank: Of course you’re wrong. Aren’t you always? The U.S. has been murdering its enemies through targeted killings and drone strikes for years. And from whom did we gain this expertise? From the Israeli killing machine of course. Israel used targeted executions before us and used drones to perform them before we ever got into the business. We’ve probably improved on the tactic and product. But we still learn at the feet of the master assassins in Israel.
Yes, the U.S. has killed various individuals even before this. But these were usually one-off assassinations like the case of Fidel Castro. We did not have a widespread policy to execute enemies on a mass scale as we do now.
Everyone knows the US and Israel are two peas in a pod. So what was your point again in pointing to the US? To argue that Israel is not a rogue state? Please explain how that works.
@Elisabeth
If the United States is doing daily, what you accuse Israel of doing, than neither of them are ‘rogue States’.
Right?
And BTW, the Netherlands grew fat off her many far flung colonies. Colonies she acquired by shooting people in other countries, like at Rawagede.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/colonial-atrocities-explode-myth-of-dutch-tolerance-1439153.html
Dutchmen gone wild!
Uhh.. I mean ‘rogue’.
@ Frank: Interesting. Frank has done his homeworld on Elisabeth, who has rarely spoken here about being Dutch. Gee, you’d think he was stalking her. Nor does she have to defend or explain any element of Dutch history.
If you go off-topic like this again, I will moderate or block you. Stay on topic or you will lose your commenting privileges.
Rawagede was a disgusting war crime. Difference between you and me is that I condemn the crimes of my country. Morality and all that, hey Frank.
Hello again, Richard.
“The U.S. has been murdering its enemies through targeted killings and drone strikes for years. And from whom did we gain this expertise”
The United States doesn’t need to get this expertise from Israel, or any other country.
The United States instituted Operation Phoenix in Vietnam in 1968, and for four years, the American military, the CIA and the South Vietnamese military, arrested, kidnapped, tortured and murdered 40,000 suspected VietCong without trial.
Judge, jury and executioner.
@ Frank: more sophistry, Frank. It’s well documented that whether the U.S. “needed to” or not, thst’s indeed what it did.
The Vietnam war ended in1973 buddy, and we’ve never repeated anything like it since. Israel has assassinated thousands of Palestinians over decades and shows no sign of letting up.
Even in the targeted drone program, we’ve murdered far less than in Phoenix. Oh and btw, there are millions of Americans who protest vehemently against these horrible operations. In Israel? Not so much.
@Colin
“Actually, you don’t get to kill people that annoy you”
No, of course not.
But…
“If a man comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first”-Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Berakoth.
@ Elena: That Talmud quote is nonsense in this context. A mere apologia for murder. The Talmudic rabbis didn’t mean to justify targeted assassinations. In fact, they’d be horrified at the prospect and deem it completely treif. No Palestinian is rising up to kill Israelis. Nor do we have any credible evidence that al Batsch was. In fact, Israelis are rising up quite early in the morning to kill Palestinians and doing it virtually every day.
‘@ Elena: That Talmud quote is nonsense in this context. A mere apologia for murder. The Talmudic rabbis didn’t mean to justify targeted assassinations…’
So what if it is or isn’t nonsense? Israel doesn’t get to conduct her foreign affairs on the basis of Talmudic quotations. That’d be like Pakistan nuking India and then quoting the Quran.
…besides, it all STILL doesn’t make sense. The guy was about as far away from Israel as it’s possible to get. If he did have any role in Hamas, it must have been a distinctly subsidiary one. What was he going to do? Bomb the Kuala Lumpur delicatessen? I doubt if there IS one.
“No Palestinian is rising up to kill Israelis”
there are constant breaches into communities with the absolute intention of killing any man, woman or child. do i have to bring sources for this well known phenomenon?
And what about Rehavam Ze’evi. who was assassinated in his hotel room in 2001?
are there no assassinations in the OT?
there have always been targeted assassinations throughout history ,it’s part of warfare.
@ yisrael: “Rising up and killing” indicates the assailant was attacking unprovoked. Palestinians are nothing if not provoked by Israel’s mass killing spree against them. And the killing of Israelis by Palestinians is dwarfed by the killing of Palestinians by Israelis. So by your logic Palestinians have more reason to rise up and kill Israelis first because they are far more likely to be murdered by Israelis than the other way round. That’s not necessarily my reasoning or logic. But it is yours, by deduction.
No, targeted killings have not always been part of warfare, and certainly not on the scale Israel does it. There have been discrete instances of such killings in prior wars. But Israel has turned it into a retail/wholesale business.
‘“If a man comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first”-Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Berakoth’
And if you’re ISRAEL, and your divine mandate spans the planet, you needn’t fret about certainty, law, evidence, or even international boundaries.
Just kill. You’re Israel, and it’s okay.
Elena, and so many other aggressive and ignorant Israelis, only know this single Talmud quotation. And even this one they got wrong, as they have actually created their own version that says: “When you THINK someone comes to kill you….” And in their paranoia they do not even realize it.
You obviously do not read Hebrew/Aramaic. It does not say ‘think’ but מרגיש, feel or intuit making the situation much more heuristic that than what you wrote e.g. even if a person has an ‘inkling’ of perception he is allowed to kill.
Bad practice to quote texts you do not understand or even cannot read.
God, you are dumb. Of course it does not say that. But it is how the average Israeli netizen uses the bloody quote to justify extrajudicial killings.
sleazy way out of accusing an entire country of ignorant and aggressive Israelis of being murderers.
@ yisrael: She wasn’t accusing the whole country of being murderers. But she was accusing the entire country of being accomplices to murder. Which they are. Unless of course they denounce state terrorism and these disgusting operations by the Mossad.
How come then, I keep reading the bloody quote from one Israeli after another? All posing as Talmudic sages while behaving as murderous supremacists.
@ yisrael: You can’t be serious. You may “feel” a thousand things. But feeling or “having an inkling” someone is about to do you harm is not knowing it or having evidence of it. The words think & feel are synonyms in both English and Hebrew. And margish is NOT an Aramaic word. So clearly you don’t know Aramaic either. The pot calling the kettle…
‘@ Nimrod: Yes, completely believable that a man devoted to the study of electrical engineering and power grids who spent the last decade of his life in Kuala Lumpur was a senior Hamas commander. Perhaps an officer in the Palestinian foreign legion??’
It is a tad odd, really. I wonder why the Mossad DID kill him? Sometimes, one’s able to read the tea leaves; sometimes, one can’t. There’s just no plausible storyline here.
I’m thinking it’ll turn out this all had nothing to do with Israel at all. It just doesn’t make sense otherwise.
I mean, Israel can’t be THIS crazy. Can it? This is like your neighbor shooting your cat. Really, Bob?
Yes, Richard, I know.
But just the Wikipedia entry is pathetic.
‘Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh
Born
Gaza Strip
Died
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Nationality
Palestinian…’
So. Maybe the Palestinians aren’t the good guys here. But it’s sure clear who the bad guys are. What crime did the Palestinians ever commit to merit this fate? Israel is like an abused child. It’s determined to visit on its own victims every outrage that was ever inflicted on it.
It’s sick.
@ Colin: What do you expect? He’s just another dead Arab…
@Jim: why don’t you believe Israel is not involved? Who else than Israel, with its long-standing, endless track record of extrajudicial killings, would have an interest in killing a Palestinian living in Malaysia?
@ Jim & Elena: What’s wrong with the guy being a member of Hamas, if he was? Hamas is merely a liberation organisation fighting with all possible means, even weapons as authorised by the UN, against the illegal occupation, subjugation, and genocide by Israel. The fact that Israel has classified Hamas as a terrorist organisation is meaningless; the ex-nightclub bouncer cum drunkard Lieberman has stated publicly that no Palestinian is innocent, i.e. that every Palestinian, from the day (s)he is born, is a terrorist and therefore legal target. But the Ziofascist settler scum is not legal target.
Mohammed al-Zoari wasn’t Palestinian, but Tunisian.
Concerning al-Batsh, I don’t know if he was a member of Hamas or not, but if that serves as a justification for killing him, what about every Israeli who’s been serving in the army …. During the summer 2014 massacre in Gaza, the Most-Moral-Army killed 18 members of the al-Batsh-family, mostly kids and women, they bombed the house of the extended family trying to kill a Batsh who was in command of the police station in central Gaza, he survived, most of his family didn’t. We’re dealing with a terrorist State here !
‘ …. During the summer 2014 massacre in Gaza, the Most-Moral-Army killed 18 members of the al-Batsh-family, mostly kids and women…’
There you go. Obviously, any surviving al-Batshes would pose a threat. They should be killed as a prophylactic measure.
Actually, your information is interesting. Israel’s into collective punishment; maybe some al-Batsh did something somewhere at some point. Now they’re killing all his relatives.
Or, it could be that they killed him because he’s an academic. As Frank points out, academics can be dangerous. They can be ‘shadow jihadists.’ Surely Israel shouldn’t ignore potential ‘shadow jihadists.’
I don’t even try to explain Israeli actions any longer, to me they’re like madmen …. what makes me sick is how the “international community” is just watching …. where I live, France, they’re even criminalizing the BDS-movement.
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‘Hello again, Mr. Wright.
As an American, would you agree that the Nazi rocket scientist, Dr. Werner von Braun, should have been targeted for assassination during the war for his part in developing the V2 rockets that were killing British civilians in London and elsewhere?’
I dunno, Frank. It was pretty much speculation that Werner von Braun was involved with the V2 program, wasn’t it? Was any evidence ever produced to support that theory?
@Colin
Pathetic cop-out.
Good bye.
@Frank: You said “good bye” and here I thought we were losing you. I was about to recite Kaddish when lo and behold you popped up again like a mushroom after a spring rain. You disappoint me. Can’t you keep to your word??
Another way to not answer would be ‘he should have been trialed in the court of justice, not by generals’ and while very id ideological, in a middle of a war not feasible.
@ Jim: What a feeble excuse. During a war one party certainly may capture and try another for alleged crimes. Summary execution is a war crime during war or outside of war.
@ Deir Yassin; I had forgotten about that terrible, tragic story. That of course would offer more than enough motivation for al Batsh to join & serve Hamas.
Anyway, Israel’s found a way of adding that special touch:
‘Israel asked Egypt to stop the body of a Hamas-affiliated Palestinian engineer from being brought into Gaza through the Rafah crossing, Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman said Sunday.
Liberman’s remarks came after the family of Hadar Goldin, an IDF soldier whose body is being held by Hamas—along with that of soldier Oron Shaul—demanded that the body of Dr. Fadi Muhammad al-Batash, who was assassinated near Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, not be returned until their son’s is, as well. Education Minister Naftali Bennett, a member of the Security Cabinet, made a similar call…’
Aside from the sentiments implied, if Israel DIDN’T carry out this murder, they’re displaying a decidedly peculiar interest in the fate of the corpse.
I think we’re getting the usual ‘wink wink nudge nudge’ production. ‘Yeah — we did it. Against policy to admit our cri…whoops, actions, of course.’
Personally, the closest I can get to a credible theory to explain this killing is that Israel was feeling frustrated.
She can’t just keep killing demonstrators. Blasting every Hamas official she can see will just make things worse — plus, it would be an obviously indefensible provocation.
But — being Israel — she’s got to kill SOMEBODY. So…this guy’s deniable. It would appear he actually is somehow connected with Hamas. This’ll bug ’em. Okay — let’s do it.
Sort of like keying a cop car after you get a ticket. Kinda juvenile, but it’ll make you feel better.
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‘@Colin
Pathetic cop-out.
Good bye.’
Um, no. It’s not a pathetic copout.
You attempted to compare a known threat during the greatest war in history to a speculative threat posed by a man who apparently belongs to a group that hasn’t managed to kill a single actual Jewish civilian inside the actual boundaries of Israel in what — a year? Sure, he’s designing rockets for Hamas. That’s why he’s working on electrical conductors in Malaysia.
All this leaves aside the problematical significance of rocket science to Hamas’ ability to pose a threat, the detail that Israel could quite easily make peace with Hamas any time it was prepared to consider anything resembling a just solution, and God knows how many other differences I could cite if it was worth the time to think of them.
No, not a copout. However, it is a waste. You’re a Hasbariot. Why do I let myself get suckered into this?
@Colin
Okay…so why did Hamas give this guy such a big sendoff, if all he was, was a luckless nobody working on electrical conductors in Malaysia, with minimal ties to Hamas? Those prayer tents and posters sprouted up pretty quickly.
Colin?
If you think he was such a senior terrorist leader, one of the greatest, and an attack drone mastermind, he would surely have been on the Mossad target list, hey Frank?
Frank?
‘@ Jim: What a feeble excuse. During a war one party certainly may capture and try another for alleged crimes. Summary execution is a war crime during war or outside of war.’
There’s also the point that at the moment, Hamas is confining itself to peaceful demonstrations. It’s hardly a ‘war’ — more just a matter of Israel murdering Palestinians in the hope of eliciting a reaction. People like the Phoenix Program metaphor — this would be about like the US killing not a Viet Cong figure in Quang Tri in 1968, but whacking a Vietnamese professor of engineering who happens to be demonstrably a member of the Communist Party in Paris in 1958.
…and as far as I can see provocation would be the primary purpose of this murder. It was a killing Israel could plausibly deny but that might elicit renewed Palestinian violence. Israel actually specializes in operations of this nature: moves that can be excused or denied in the eyes of the rest of the world but that will bait the Palestinians into renewed attempts at retaliation. Most of her strafeexpeditione into Gaza start out this way.
@ Richard
I don’t know how close relatives Fadi al-Batsh and the Gaza police chief Taysser al-Batsh (who lost 18 members of his close family) were, but that’s what I first thought about when I saw the name. I’ll never forget the photo of his son sitting on the ground, his back against a car, weeping after most of his relatives were killed.
“Tayseer” or “Taysir”
Dear Richard, a video has emerged whereby the same Israeli “journalist” who reported Zawahri’s case, made a coverage of Fadi al Batsh’s assassination. Can you help translate what he reported?
@al Faedah: send me a link.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/alfaedah/permalink/2077277919195727/
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oX61e9AqVb0NjFOomJRdTs7akqeePiQQ/view?usp=drivesdk
FADI AL BATSH – MOAV VERDI
P/s Better still, a full write-up..
North Korean guided missile technology via Malaysia and Doctor al Batsh.
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5241787,00.html
Yup, and Hamas trained on hanggliders in Malaysia to attack Israel. Oh hasbara can be really entertaining.
@ Frank: That’s an alleged conspiracy, Frank. Note there are no sources mentioned for this report and whoever the source is is anonymous. That’s worth about as much as a fake penny or a $3 bill. Al Batsh may have been a global arms dealer for Hamas; or he may have been a professor and imam and a picture of rectitude. Your report clears that up like mud.
Hello again,
And what about the UN? The UN is credible, right?
“UN report claiming that Pyongyang had set up a shell company to circumnavigate sanctions and conduct sales of “military-grade communication systems” through Kuala Lumpur.”
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-hamas-engineer-killed-in-malaysia-negotiated-arms-deals-with-koreans-1.6030971
I’m picturing that huge underground Hamas guided missile factory in Gaza. Something out of ‘Operation Crossbow,’ per chance?
https://youtu.be/FnfdL4LpbzY
Please: these guys are about up to what I could do in my garage with a month and a little determination. More broadly, technology and access to it simply isn’t the issue here. Hamas can instigate abundant acts of ‘terrorism’ with what’s at hand right now. They just choose not to — for reasons that have nothing to do with North Korean rocket technology or the absence thereof.
Hello Colin,
“..these guys are about up to what I could do in my garage with a month and a little determination.”
I don’t understand what you are saying. Are you claiming to be as knowledgeable as Doctor al Batsh? He had a Ph.d in Electronic Engineering.
Anyway. The ‘Malaysia Connection’ was made known after Egypt discovered North Korean guidance system components were being smuggled into Gaza.
Colin. Why not give credit where credit’s is due. Hamas has a highly trained cadre of minds working to improve Hamas rocketry.
Hamas has the political acumen to forge political alliances with the government of Malaysia, and to carry on trade (albeit secret) with nuclear club member North Korea.
Wouldn’t you agree, Colin, that these pretty high achievements on the part of Hamas?
@ Frank: Once again buddy. These are claims. Claims which are unsourced and anonymous. For all we know Hamas may have secret underground workshops where it performs all the manufacturing and research. Or it may have its tentacles reaching around the world to wreak death and destruction on Israel. Maybe it even has a nuclear weapon it got from North Korea. Or maybe it doesn’t.
Your speculation isn’t worth a bucket of warm piss.
‘Wouldn’t you agree, Colin, that these pretty high achievements on the part of Hamas?’
You did say ‘good bye’ to me, Frank. Good bye, Frank.
Hello again, Richard.
The North Korea connection comes from a New York Times article which cites two anonymous intelligence sources, one Middle Eastern source, one Western.
If the NY Times vouches for their ‘sources’, than the North Korea connection is credible.
Richard. Don’t you rely on anonymous Middle Eastern ‘sources’?
The sources don’t even vouch for themselves. They talk in terms of ‘may’. Anyway, one of them is Israel, so we can take that source with a bucket full of salt…
@Elisabeth
North Korea spy agency runs arms operation out of Malaysia, U.N. says.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-malaysia-arms-insight/north-korea-spy-agency-runs-arms-operation-out-of-malaysia-u-n-says-idUSKBN1650YE
Elisabeth. Please, pass the salt.
What a dumb link. A waste of time looking at it. Al Batsh is never even mentioned.
@Elisabeth
Use your crayons to connect the dots.
@Frank: We don’t “connect dots” around here, especially when they’re as shoddily constructed as yours are. We use good old fashioned hard evidence. So either link al Batsch directly to this alleged operation or shut up.
Playing around with crayons, wantonly sending agents abroad to murder people. That’s exactly what makes Israel a rogue nation. Thank you for making that so clear.
@ Frank: My sources are known to me. They’ve reported accurately scores of times in the past. Bergman’s sources are known only to him. I trust my sources whom I know. I don’t trust his sources whom don’t know.
Further, he writes for the Times, which is supposed offer credible public sources in support of its reporting.