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  1. “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism!” —Martin Luther King, Jr.

    [ed., link deleted for comment rule violation]

    1. @ Ed: You’ve just quoted an entirely fabricated quote which Marc Schneier manufactured out of thin air. MLK never said this. Anyone who passes off this as genuine is himself a fraud, as Martin Kramer & Schneier & now you, are.

      Read my comment rules. When you quote Zio-shills not only does it make my skin crawl, it violates the comment rules. Kramer is a genocidaire, Islamophobe, Arabophobe & all around POS. Don’t quote him, don’t link to him. If you want to know why, Google his name here & read the s(^t he said about Palestinian mothers.

      1. The quote was heard and noted by Seymour Martin Lipset, at a dinner party King attended in Cambridge, MA. I don’t know who Marc Schneir is.

        1. @Ed: read the damn link I included in my comment. It proves without a shred of doubt that the supposed quotation is a fraud. It debunks every claim of authenticity & notes the fraudulent passage was first quoted by Marc Schneier, who is a fraud because of other matters. Schneier had no direct connection to MLK, no way of hearing or knowing the quote firsthand, and is a known fraud.

          When I tell you something is a fraud it is. Unless you can offer ironclad proof otherwise, it is. Don’t test me on this or you face total banning.

  2. King visited Jerusalem when it was occupied by Jordan, but Jordan forbid King entry to the Jewish Quarter.

    King was forced to cancel his visit to Israel in 1967, but he promised to try and return the next year.
    http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/2013/01/why-martin-luther-king-never-visited-israel/

    King supported Israel in her struggle against Egypt in 1956.
    During Israel’s 1956 war with Egypt, he wrote: “There is something in the very nature of the universe which is on the side of Israel in its struggle with every Egypt.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Martin-Luther-King-Jr-Israel-and-Obama-307002

    1. “Ed”, have you read the post at all? 1956 is not now. That is the point.

      And, by the way, King, as a minister, knew that ‘Egypt’ means ‘bondage/slavery’. Bloody fundamentalists like you do not know how to read anything other than in the dumbest way possible. Hats off to you, oh great Hebrew scholar of the Land of Israel! LOL.

      1. @Elisabeth

        The facts are these. King was a Zionist, and nothing you or Richard can say here, will change that fact.
        Facts, my dear, are stubborn things.

        1. @Eliazbeth
          ” King, as a minister, knew that ‘Egypt’ means ‘bondage/slavery’.”
          I don’t think King knew Hebrew and ‘egypt” מצרים is in the dual form meaning ‘two straights” מצר-מצר
          something like Symplegades where one has to pass thru two possibly dangerous straits. Thus the expression ‘dire straits’.

          1. King studied (Christian) theology. Normally this includes Hebrew, Greek and Latin. The identification of ‘Egypt’ with bondage is very old in Jewish interpretations of the bible, and as a Christian I have heard it come by often as well. It may be that modern Hebrew has developed some new idioms, but the tradition on this in interpretation of the scriptures is clear.

        2. ‘The facts are these. King was a Zionist, and nothing you or Richard can say here, will change that fact…’

          There were a number of regrettable facts about Martin Luther King — but perhaps it’s inappropriate to bring them up on his birthday.

          1. @Elizabeth
            Yes among other things it refers to bondage but I was just trying to give another angle on this and it is not modern Hebrew. Actually this example was from a 13th century text.

            I doubt that King was sufficiently literate in any of the languages you mentioned above.

    2. OMG you’re such a dumb little fraud ‘Ed’.

      “There is something in the very nature of the universe which is on the side of Israel in its struggle with every Egypt.”
      is indeed (just as I thought) simply a religious statement, in a long sermon that has NOTHING to do with the Suez war. It is part of a an ecumenical marking of the 2nd anniversary of the desegregation decision by the Supreme Court in Brown versus boar of edcation on May 17, 1956..(See the relevance of ‘bondage’ and liberation of ‘Israel’ i.e. the American blacks in this case? Or do you think its all about you, you, you?)

      https://books.google.de/books?id=XlXUAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%E2%80%9CThere+is+something+in+the+very+nature+of+the+universe+which+is+on+the+side+of+Israel+in+its+struggle+with+every+Egypt.%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=R-xM_N5OnP&sig=dR5VT_T9Cns08VteH-2rx_0-I-c&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi366vMst3YAhUNDuwKHXo9CDUQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CThere%20is%20something%20in%20the%20very%20nature%20of%20the%20universe%20which%20is%20on%20the%20side%20of%20Israel%20in%20its%20struggle%20with%20every%20Egypt.%E2%80%9D&f=false

    3. @ Ed: You earlier quoted a fabricated quotation from MLK. Now you again use Martin Kramer, offering yet another ‘quotation’ from MLK.

      You forced me to waste my time researching your quote & indeed it was taken entirely out of context. King never made any comment about the 1956 War. In fact, the quotation you’ve offered is a general bit of Biblical exegesis meant to comment on the Exodus story in the Bible. There is absolutely no reference to modern Egypt. “Egypt” in this case is meant to be any oppressive nation which keeps another people in chains. I’d guess if alive today MLK would say that Israel was “Egypt.”

      You clearly cannot be trusted. As you have passed off one fraudulent quote as real and quoted another out of context, I am moderating you. Only comments that respect the comment rules will be published in future.

      1. @Richard

        ” you have passed off one fraudulent quote as real and quoted another out of context,”

        I have done nothing of the sort. The 1956 quote, came straight from the Jerusalem Post article I linked. As for the ‘Zionism= anti-Semitism’ quote, I don’t believe that the quote was fabricated and there is ample evidence that King in fact, said it. If you should dismiss that evidence, that’s your business, but you should at least allow your readers the opportunity to make their own decision rather than tossing Kramer’s article’s into the bonfire.

        1. The Jerusalem post is a hate filled, untrustworthy rag. You have already made a fool of yourself here, so I suggest you quit quoting from it.

  3. This is no more than a disgusting appropriation of a remark by MLK that has nothing to do with the Suez war or with Israel as a nation state. The depths to which the hasbarists sink… It keeps astonishing me. That the Suez war also took place in 1956 is a mere coincidence.

    1. ‘…The depths to which the hasbarists sink… It keeps astonishing me…’

      To be fair, they haven’t much to work with.

  4. Thanks, Richard.

    Apart from very infrequent amendments, the USA constitution, as text, is invariant. But its interpretation changes from one supreme court to the next. People and courts change opinions according to changes in politics, changes in facts, changes in philosophies, other changes. King presumably would have made changes to accommodate changed facts, views, etc.

    When Zionism was being imagined in 1880, colonization including settler colonization was well-regarded in the white European countries (or at least by their governments) much as today’s imposition of free-market capitalism (another form of settler colonization, one might say) is well-regarded by those same countries (or by their governments) today. (Their governments have, of course, been colonized by capitalist money.)

    At all events, settler colonialism is not in favor (or not everywhere) today, but Israel is as it must be a settler colonialist enterprise. so those who love Israel today do so against the wide-spread principles otherwise applicable by themselves, whereas those who loved Israel in 1880 or even 1930 or 1948 may have been more-or-less in synch with “the times”. The times they were a-changing but Israel stayed the same (or got much worse).

  5. How is that different than quoting letters between Lehi or Etzel to Nazi leaders in the 30’s, year before the holocaust?

    For someone who is obsessed with this, completely ignoring the context and timeline, you are very sensitive when the quote is pro-Israeli.

    1. ‘How is that different than quoting letters between Lehi or Etzel to Nazi leaders in the 30’s, year before the holocaust?

      For someone who is obsessed with this, completely ignoring the context and timeline, you are very sensitive when the quote is pro-Israeli.’

      Is the difference that the Lehi and Etzel letters are genuine, but Ed’s quotations are fraudulent?

      You have a point about the date of the Lehi and Etzel letters but it’s irrelevant to what’s at issue here.

      1. Didn’t you just write hundreds of words apologizing for MLK and explaining why he will have different approach nowadays?

        1. People with their hearts in the right pace will switch allegiance when more information compels them to do so. My grandparents from my mother’s side hid a Jewish little girl during the Nazi time, where elated when Israel was created, and in their old age became active for the Palestinian cause. There you have the journey right before you. Thinking that King would have travelled a similar path is self evident.

          1. What does that have to do with Richard celebrating some contact before the holocaust of Zionist leaders with the Nazis?

            It is clear they would have never do so once they learn about the what were the Nazi doing.

            But in the race to blackwash anything related to Zionism, context and timeline is relevant only when you like it but not otherwise.

          2. @ Ginger: Apparently you misunderstood history, what it means and how it’s studied. I didn’t “celebrate” the collusion between the Zionists & Nazis. I didn’t have to. It’s all in the historical record. I merely noted it. That makes you uncomfortable. You’d rather shah-shtil, hush don’t say a word. Then maybe no one else will know it happened. Well, sorry. Cats out of the bag.

            As for those Zionists, I’m afraid you’re wrong again. Collaboration with the Nazis lasted through 1943. The Nazis themselves broke it off after the Wandsee Conference when the Final Solution became official policy.

            That crack about “celebrating” sticks in my craw. You are officially on notice: your next comment rule violation will bring moderation.

          3. [Comment deleted: after warning, you are now moderated. Only comments respecting the comment rules will be published.]

          4. [comment deleted: In addition to ignoring my request that you stop posting in this thread, I see you use a proxy server, which is not permitted here. Now you are banned.]

          5. ‘People with their hearts in the right pace will switch allegiance when more information compels them to do so. My grandparents from my mother’s side hid a Jewish little girl during the Nazi time, where elated when Israel was created, and in their old age became active for the Palestinian cause. There you have the journey right before you. ‘

            Hear, hear. To repeat the same journey in a decidedly lesser key…

            I was born in 1958. In both 1967 and 1973, I was unthinkingly for Israel. They were ‘one of us,’ in Conrad’s phrase. Even as late as 1975, I thought ‘Exodus’ was a mighty fine book — though the jeeps heroically roaring through Arab villages and machine-gunning everything in sight in ‘Operation Iron Broom’ raised a slight query.

            By the later seventies I was shocked to see photos of Israel indiscriminately bombing Beirut, and started to wonder why it was that Palestinian terrorists never actually seemed to make it to trial.

            I got on with my own life for a while — then Israel got my attention again around 2000. By now, I’m perfectly prepared to advocate and defend comparisons between Zionism and Nazism. Of course, what’s most troubling about this is not that Zionists are Nazis, but that we’re on their side.

          6. @ Colin Wright:

            I’m perfectly prepared to advocate and defend comparisons between Zionism and Nazism. Of course, what’s most troubling about this is not that Zionists are Nazis…

            I’m very uncomfortable with blanket assertions that Palestinians are Nazis or Zionists are Nazis. It’s just too open-ended a parallel and devoid of nuance. I much prefer carefully articulated parallels or analogies rather than blanket statements like the one you made.

  6. One might think before 1967 Israel was accepted by the neighboring countries and Palestinians.
    Actually Israel was much closer to apartheid then in these day as Israeli-Arabs was under military law which was lifted in 65/66.

    1. ‘One might think before 1967 Israel was accepted by the neighboring countries and Palestinians.
      Actually Israel was much closer to apartheid then in these day as Israeli-Arabs was under military law which was lifted in 65/66.’

      Here I’ll be frankly subjective. As far as I’m concerned, the BIG difference between whatever Israel did in the fifties and early sixties and what she does now is that back then we here in the US were critical if usually supportive of Israel; now we’re so slavishly devoted to her that we can no longer claim her crimes are not our crimes.

      It’s not just what Israel does that troubles me so much as it is that as an American, I am implicated in those acts. It’s the difference between observing the Holocaust from Mexico City and watching it from Munich.

      LET the ties between us and Israel be like those between us and Burma — or like those between us and Israel in 1956. Then when I read about what she does I’ll say ‘tut tut,’ and get on with my life. As matters stand, that’s no longer an option.

    2. @ Ginger: Well there you go. You’ve just offered proof that Israel didn’t just become an apartheid state in 2001 or 1967, but that it became one when it instituted martial law against its Palestinian population, all the way back in 1948. I’ve rarely seen a hasbarist strengthen the arguments of her opponents.

      1. [Comment deleted: do not dispute my editorial judgment & do not attempt to argue it here or you will be moderated. Don’t like the rules-no one said you had to be here.]

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