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  1. “Why do you do it? Not because it will bring about any real change. But because you’ve got to face the prime minister, the security cabinet and the Israeli people and tell them you’re doing something to keep them safe”

    Or, because he is actively involved in acts of terror in a way that posts a real and immediate danger. If revenge for crimes committed before he was imprisoned were the motive, than there are released prisoners that committed much greater crimes and should be higher on the list. People such as Abd al-Hadi Rafa Ghanim who killed 16 Israelis in the 405 bus attack. Or Aziz Salha that got infamous for his involvement in the lynching of the Two Israeli soldiers in Ramalla.

    So my guess is that there was intel on this guy being a major threat.

    And as this guy murdered 9 innocent people (one was himself a Palestinian and 2 were from the Philippines), I am not particularly sad that he was killed. He spent less than one year in prison for each human being he killed and that is not enough. In the USA (at lest in certain states) he would have got the death penalty.

    1. @ Amico: Now you see, you’ve really screwed up because I offered an actual Shabak source which named the victim & said that he tried to finance (not execute) a terror attack, but that those who were supposed to carry the funds from Gaza to the West Bank were captured & gave him up. And all this happened in 2012-13. Further, this is a Shabak source. Might be correct, might not.

      So no, the victim failed miserably in his goal of organizing a terror attack. Besides, there is absolutely no evidence presented that he actually organized an attack. It only mentions financing one. So according to that logic, the U.S. should summarily execute not only actual ISIS or al Qaeda killers, but the bankers and oil dealers and traders who finance their actions.

      You, on the other hand claim without any support whatsoever that he was “actively involved in acts of terror posing a real and immediate danger” Your proof? None. My source claims he was “involved in terror.” But he never offered any specific proof either. So I’ll stick with the actual published claim.

      So my guess is

      There’s your 2nd mistake. Don’t guess. I have a source who I often trust, but about whom I’m sometimes skeptical. You have none. We attribute no credibility whatsoever to guesses.

      I am not particularly sad that he was killed

      When someone murders your son or daughter or cousin or grandchild serving in the IDF or in Israeli intelligence, even I wouldn’t say that. Which makes you as much scum as you think the victim is. Would you be not particularly sad at the murder of Avraham Stern? Or Menachem Begin if the Brits had liquidated him? No of course you wouldn’t. You’d view them as heroes. The same as Hamas now views Fuqaha. Again, that makes you a friggin’ hypocrite and racist to boot.

      In the USA (at lest in certain states) he would have got the death penalty.

      Doubtful. No U.S. terrorist except Timothy McVeigh (decades ago) has gotten the death penalty. And he was a federal prisoner, not state. States don’t normally have jurisdiction over terror charges. That’s a federal offense. And the last federal prisoner executed on any charge (& this case wasn’t terror-related) happened in 2003.

  2. When someone murders your son or daughter or cousin or grandchild serving in the IDF or in Israeli intelligence, even I wouldn’t say that. Which makes you as much scum as you think the victim is. Would you be not particularly sad at the murder of Avraham Stern? Or Menachem Begin if the Brits had liquidated him? No of course you wouldn’t. You’d view them as heroes. The same as Hamas now views Fuqaha. Again, that makes you a friggin’ hypocrite and racist to boot.”

    Wow. So, now you can read my mind? If you really want to know-simply ask-
    First of all, I wouldn’t be particularly sad if Begin would have been killed following the King David bombing, nor would the majority of the Jewish population in Palestine. In fact I was quite pleased when I learned that the man who actually committed the bombing died prematurely in a car accident in the seventies. See, anyone, and I mean anyone who purposely murders innocent people (regardless of his race, nationality or motive) is a scum as much as I am concerned. I would prefer such a person will be imprisoned for life as i am not a huge supporter of capital punishment. But if such person managed to get away from imprisonment I am quite O.K with his death.

    As for this “victim” being a “hero” in the eyes of anyone instead of the scum he was:
    Something is very wrong morally with anyone who may think that a man who purposely killed 9 innocent people on a civilian bus is a hero. The Palestinian sniper who killed 10 IDF soldiers and armed civilians in Wadi al-Haramiya was a legitimate fighter and is entitled to be referred to as a hero by his people (though one of his victims, the CO of the soldiers, was a man I knew and liked). But those who bomb civilian buses and restaurants? can’t you see the difference for god sake? and do you really compare between such a scum and my daughter if her only crime would be serving in the IDF? If she murders 9 innocent people (God forbis) than you have my permission not to be too sad if she dies. I will be, but its different when you are the parent.

    As for the reason this huy was killed -I did not make any factual claims as I have no sources what so ever. Nor did I implied to. You have a source you yourself are not 100% sure about his credibility and motives. There might be much more to the story, and that is where I come and use my logic to make a calculated guess. Which is what you do in this site all the time (including when it comes to what i would think or feel, apparently…).
    As for capital punishment for terrorists in the USA- you forget a certain guy who plant bombs in the Boston Marathon. Got the death penalty in 2015. Anyway, in the USA murders routinely get he death penalty regardless of their motives and that is what I was thinking of.

    1. @ Amico:

      Something is very wrong morally with anyone who may think that a man who purposely killed 9 innocent people on a civilian bus is a hero.

      Something is very morally wrong with Israeli Jews who’ve killed hundreds of innocent Palestinian who were civilians, from before 1948 & up to the present day. Something is very morally wrong with a nation which treats them as heroes.

      do you really compare between such a scum and my daughter if her only crime would be serving in the IDF?

      Fuqaha doesn’t have the option of serving in a Palestinian national army. He does the next best thing. So if you have a relative serving in the army or in intelligence, then yes, you should be prepared to be treated the same exact way you treat Fuqaha on his death.

      You have a source you yourself are not 100% sure about his credibility and motives.

      Not true. I’m certain of his credibility and also of his motives. It’s just that I disagree with his motives and have to filter his information through my own set of interests.

      in the USA murders routinely get he death penalty

      Not routinely. Even in execution-happy states like Alabama and Texas, it’s not routine. But thankfully, there are very few states which are execution-happy. Eventually, we will outlaw execution. In Israel, you have it routinely, but without judge or jury. Just the executioner in uniform.

      You are done in this thread.

  3. “You are done in this thread”
    And you are a coward that knows his arguments are BS and does not want them exposed as such. Now you can ban me for violeting your rules. I am done with your blog. We shall perhaps debate again in the future on equal ground.

    1. You are done…and banned. Hasbara Central has purchased your return ticket to Ben Gurion. Pick it up from the shady Shabak agent at the airline counter before departure.

      If you think u are capable of exposing anything other than your own feeble Hasbara efforts, you are sorely mistaken.

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