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  1. I read Egypt’s Sisi gave tacit approval to Israel for strike at Islamist cell in Sinai. Well aware of the slow desintegration of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt due to infighting. Israel is cooperating with Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia where there is commonality in interests. Latest gift to US military …

    Fatih Al-Sham Front’s Second Man Reportedly Killed By US-Coalition Airstrike

    Ahmed Salama Mabruk has a very long history of terror activity spread from Pakistan, Sudan, Albania, Chechnya, Egypt and Syria. In stages he was imprisoned by Russia, recaptured by US military and rendered to Egypt in the Clinton years. During the Arab Uprising he was freed from prison as the Muslim Brotherhood gained political power.

  2. With Egypt’s blessing, Israel conducting drone strikes in Sinai — July 2016 report

    “We have common enemies in the sense of terrorism, or if you like, radical Islamic terrorism, emerged from the same root no matter if it happens to be Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra or al-Qaeda,” Israeli ambassador to Cairo Haim Koren said. Sissi “understood quickly that we are all in the same boat,” he added.

    Report: Israel Launched Numerous Drone Strikes in Sinai | Haaretz |

    1. Hello, Barbarella, you’re back! You get banned, and then, right away some ‘new’ person starts commenting on a daily basis, like you always do. What a coincidence. (Shame! etc. etc.)

      1. @Elizabeth

        Madame. You can call me Hans Brinker, because I don’t know you from a ‘hole in the wall’.

        But thank you for the Jane Fonda comparison. She’s one of my heroines.

        1. You know I am Dutch (Hans Brinker), but are supposed to be new here. That is about as believable as when you claimed to support Machsom Watch, Adalah and Breaking the Silence.

    2. This often seen defense by “Israelis” do not criticize us because others have done exactly the same is “hilarious”. With that ideology you present can be said: Why “Israelis” are whining so much about WW2 events and about past events when “Israelis” in Israel have done and are doing exactly the same acts against “others”: Genocide, exploitation, mass killings, racism, apartheid, massive theft etc, Why?

      In case of Israel we must make the numbers proportional if we compare them to USA or to other larger countries. When the 5 million “Israelis” living permanently in Israel put in prison and concentration camps 10,000 Palestinians it would mean in USA 650,000 people. If Israel kills in their frequent larger Gaza operations 1,500 Palestinians in a couple of weeks it means in USA “size” 97,500 people. Alone if we consider the amount of people Israel is occupying (Gaza and West Bank) it would mean in USA’s scale almost THREE times the whole population of MEXICO. So is what Israel and Israelis are doing irrelevant?

      1. Now If this comment was written pro Israeli it would be be banned here for making such statements
        Genocide?
        Mass killings?
        I love how these words are thrown around as if they mean nothing. Do you have any idea what genocide means?
        Racism? I’m not sure what’s more racist then stabbing random Jews, because they are Jews..
        And sorry you don’t get to make assumptions that 1500 dead would be 100,000 dead In a large population.

        1. Wikipedia defines it so: Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.

          It has happened for decades in Israel/Palestine and many are afraid that we have seen only the beginning of that genocide and the worst parts will happen in future. The “Israelis” certainly are mentally ready to the bloody finishing of their invasion “project”. And what was and is done has been certainly planed and intentional. The invader is not the defender.

          If the “Israelis” were not the violent, racist occupiers you could earn some sympathy points with your stabbing comment. Were the Germans stabbed and shot in France and Poland during WW2 simply because they were German Christians or was there some other reasons behind those attacks? You there obviously can not resist to use the “we are the victims” card. Always …

          1. @Simo: Nobody except racist bigots claim that Israel is committing genocide. Not even the UN, not even the Arab countries, only the most extremist antisemitic elements from Iran and Hamas accuse Israel of genocide and mass murder. And THEY have lots of credibility LOL. Invading or occupying may be bad but is not “genocide”, by the definition that you yourself quoted.

            The claim that there is a Zionist/Israeli plot to “destroy” the Palestinian people is exactly the kind of demonization that distinguishes legitimate criticism from outright bigotry based on extremism and lies, and it hides behind progressive liberalism and political correctness.

            “Many are afraid that…” is exactly how Donald Trump propagates his lies. You slyly don’t make the unsubstantiated claim yourself, you just say that others claim it, and throw the lie out there, only to deny saying it when its shown to be false.

          2. @Yehuda: Stuff & nonsense!

            Of course, YOU don’t think Israel is committing genocide. Because you’re Israeli. Hitler wouldn’t have admitted to committing genocide either if the concept existed then. I’d say that Palestinians & other victims of Irsaeli aggression feel a bit differently on the subject. And as for what the Arab world thinks of Israeli killing, you’re completely ignorant. Why would you even pretend to know what the Arab world thinks on the subject? What I particularly hate about people like you is that you not only affect to speak as an Israeli, but you speak for everyone else as well, as if you know either what they think, or what they should be thinking. The term “genocide” is widely used to describe Israeli policy. I personally don’t use the term in that context as I’ve written here. But others do & I don’t dispute to use the term, especially if they are among the victims of the killing.

            But the issue of “mass murder” is entirely different. Certainly when a country wages war on civilian populations & murders 2,300 Gazans most of whom are women & children it IS mass murder. Certainly, Israel officials & generals will face war crimes trials at some point. That is what will fix the legitimacy of the term, rather than your skewed nationalist-motivated rejection of the term.

            Israel has murdered 40,000 Palestinians since 1948. That is a plain fact. I don’t care whether you call it mass murder, or an attempt to destroy the Palestinian people, or any other name. It is what it is. And it is a war crime.

            Do NOT drag in entirely extraneous terms like “bigotry,” “extremism,” racism or anti Semitism. It is none of those things. And I will not permit you to distract by interjecting those irrelevant red herrings. Use these terms again in this context & you will be on the road to being moderated.

            The claim that “mass murder” is unsubstantiated is flat out false, as I’ve pointed out above.

          3. Since Richard does not allow reply to his own “statements of fact” – I would says this, flat and simple.
            Israel has not murdered 40000 Palestinians since 1948 – anymore that the US murdered 1.5 million Vietnamese or 2.5 million Japanese.

            This is a conflict – plain and ugly.

            Israel currently holds the upper hand.

            If one believes that had the Arabs prevailed in 1948 – there would be a discussion is 2016 about the fate of the “7th million” – there are drugs to deal with hallucinations.

            As for genocide – Israelis created the Palestinian nation – no amount of historical revisionism can change the fact the Palestinian national identity exists only as a result of the Zionist/Israeli identity. That being said, Palestinian national identity exists today and is in conflict with the Israeli national identity. Unless both identities learn to accept that both have legitimate claims – a compromise – even in the limited from of “modus vivendi” or “Hudna” – is still a distant dream.

          4. @ Stan Feinberg: Your claim is false. ANyone can challenge my claims as long as they present credible evidence to support the claim.

            If you agree that Israeli generals & PMs should face the ICC in the Hague then we can sort this all out. If you are right, then they will be declared innocent of mass murder & war crimes. If you are confident of your claim you shouldn’t have a problem with having them face justice.

            But generally when a powerful military force makes war against a civilian population, killing massive numbers of women & children, all civilians, that is a war crime and murder. Israel has done this regularly for decades.

            The U.S. too committed war crimes against the Vietnamese & Japanese when they engaged in mass murder of civilians. Our leaders never faced the ICC because it didn’t exist. But our current counter terror policy is a violation of international law as well. I personally think our military & political leaders should face similar charges.

            You can resolve the conflict between identities either by recognizing a Palestinian state and withdrawing from its territory or by creating a single unified state. NOthing less will be satisfactory.

          5. Stan Feinberg says October 6, 2016 at 11:09 PM: “Israelis created the Palestinian nation – no amount of historical revisionism can change the fact the Palestinian national identity exists only as a result of the Zionist/Israeli identity.”

            ROFL. The Palestinian nation exists since 1925 when the nationality law of the mandated State of Palestine was enacted by its mandatory goverment in accordance with the treaty of Lausanne.. What doesn’t exist is a Jewish nation/citzenship.

        2. @ Moshe: Don’t be an idiot. No Palestinian stabs an Israeli because he’s Jewish & you know it. They stab them because they are settlers, because they steal their land, because they kill their mothers & children. They kill them because they see Israeli police & soldiers killing their fellow Palestinians. They don’t see them as “Jews” or “Jewish” at all. It is all too convenient for you to turn this into a religious war because you can cynically play the anti-Semitism card & generate automatic Pavlovian sympathy among the outside world. But that s(^t doesn’t work here. So don’t try it again.

          And sorry you don’t get to make assumptions that 1500 dead would be 100,000 dead In a large population.

          Excuse me, but YOU don’t tell other commenters what they do or don’t get to do.

    3. The topic is censorship. If the United States government hides an arrest, and seals a criminal complaint, then they have committed censorship.

      Yes or no?

      1. @ Lotta: Once again & for the last time, I make the editorial decisions. Don’t dispute them. You don’t define what the topic was or wasn’t. Nor do you justify why your comment was on-topic. I define it. You were off topic. If you continue in this vein you will be moderated.

  3. Although we’re straying off topic I will respond if you permit.
    ” The term “genocide” is widely used to describe Israeli policy. I personally don’t use the term in that context as I’ve written here. But others do & I don’t dispute to use the term, especially if they are among the victims of the killing.”

    1. Genocide is not a “policy”. It is an action. It has an objective definition, it is not a feeling. That some of the victims or other critics use it to describe Israel’s actions (for political or other reasons) does not make it correct.
    2. Is the Nazi genocide of Jews only a genocide because the Jews “feel” that way? What of the Iranian or other holocaust deniers, who make this claim?
    3. If you “personally” don’t think its a genocide but you don’t dispute it, and allow others to use such a loaded term, (and shut other people up from disputing it) you are being inconsistent and overtly biased, in that you chide or ban “supporters” of Israel from using similarly inflammatory terms such as “terrorism” or “anti-antisemitism” based on YOUR supposedly objective standard.

    4. “What I particularly hate about people like you is that you not only affect to speak as an Israeli, but you speak for everyone else as well,” So you hate people like me for expressing an opinion, which is exactly what you do on this blog. You don’t claim to speak on behalf of a certain select public, or even the Palestinians themselves? OK. Well the cards are stacked here, but, well, its your blog.

    5. “Israel has murdered 40,000 Palestinians since 1948. That is a plain fact. I don’t care whether you call it mass murder, or an attempt to destroy the Palestinian people, or any other name. It is what it is. And it is a war crime.” And herein you openly reveal your totally distorted and biased perception. Which official body or court considers the victims of this ethnic conflict to be victims of mass murder or genocide?

    But I know we’re off topic, so I’ll stop commenting on this thread, you’ll shut me up anyway.

    1. @ Yehuda:

      Genocide is not a “policy”

      Of course it is. THe Nazi final solution was both genocide AND a policy. Policy is carried out by organized action. You’re creating artificial distinctions where none exist. I never said genocide was a feeling & don’t even know what this means. Israeli policy of wholesale slaughter of Palestinians, eradication of their cultural & educational institutions, theft of their land–all of this could be construed by some as genocide. Again, this isn’t my own personal practice. But I understand it when victims use the term.

      you hate people like me for expressing an opinion

      NOpe. I hate it when people like you claim to know, understand, or speak for peoples whose views and feelings you know nothing about. So you dont’ know what Arabs or Palestinians think. You don’t know their views on anything. THat means you have no right to claim to know what they feel about anything. Unless of course you have a credible source that reflects what you claim. But of course you don’t.

      Which official body or court considers the victims of this ethnic conflict to be victims of mass murder or genocide?

      THere are many standards under which such adjudication can be reached. One of them is a trial before the ICC, which I advocate for both Israeli & Palestinian offenders. But numerous international bodies including the Russell Tribunal & others have found Israel guilty of war crimes. Eventually, I predict the ICC will as well, though this may take a bit longer.

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