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  1. Another possible way the “centre-left” could form a coalition is with both haredi parties instead of the Arab list. If Herzog promises to cancel the criminal sanctions for yeshiva students dodging the draft, Shas and UTJ would join Herzog. Might be difficult to convince Lapid of this though.

    What are your thoughts on the plausibility of such a scenario Richard?

    1. I just updated the post to include that possibility. Historically, governing coalitions that include secular and religious parties are extremely dysfunctional because of their ideological disparities. Such a prospect for the next government would be like a poorly made sausage.

      1. I read that Rivlin floated the idea of a unity coalition of Labour/Likud. What’s interesting is if that happened, wouldn’t that make the leader of the Arab List the Official Opposition in Knesset?

  2. The united list already said they will not join the government… they even wont vote split with meretz. I think the most the labor gov could hope for is support like Rabin had. I dont really think the government will last more then two years so no worries about pm tzipi. I am cautiously optimistic about next week’s elections.

    1. @ ben: Please stop spreading falsehoods. We’ve already covered this weeks ago here. Herzog was the first one to rule out any participation by Palestinian parties in a ruling coalition. It is HE who rejected the Palestinians and his rejection is racist. They are reacting to his rejection.

        1. @ Deir Yassin: If that’s true, I don’t blame them. Tibi noted that the lib Zio parties have taken the name Zionist Camp which pretty much precludes Palestinian support anyway. But again, I think in this case it is the Jewish parties which have been the first to write off the Palestinians, given their choice of name & other matters in which they’ve dissed them, rather than the other way around.

  3. @ Richard,

    You got it backwards – the Joint List maintains it’s traditional stand and will not join the government under any circumstance. Their party members said it enough times. The link below is one of the many examples for that (Tibi):

    http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/elections/1.2570791

    They will however join the center-left parties to block Netanyahu from becoming prime-minister.

    1. @ yonathan: False, it is Herzog who said he would refuse to include them. Palestinians have spent decades being dissed by the Jewish majority. If Herzog and his buddies hadn’t wrapped themselves in the mantle of Jewish-Zionist supremacy, they could’ve created a governing majority with the third largest bloc in Knesset.

      1. Of course both sides have problem with each other but the reason the Joint List is objecting to be part of the government is because they would be responsible for the occupation during their time in office (as Tibi said), and imagine being in government and war starts. It’s not as simplistic that you can say Herzog doesn’t want them. The parties forming the Joint List have traditionally refused to sit in government before elections – before Herzog.
        That’s why they also refused to sign a deal with Meretz, they don’t want to empower the zionists, no matter their views and no matter that it might hurt them as well (by the way – reports say that Hadash was for that deal).
        There’s a video by Habyit Hayehudi showing that Herzog said that he won’t rule out Ahmed Tibi in the most important committee in the Knesset:
        http://youtu.be/n23iImrEXhE

        I haven’t seen Herzog deny collaboration with the Joint List but, even if he did – both sided don’t want to play together.

        1. It’s not as simplistic that you can say Herzog doesn’t want them.

          Sure it is. Herzog has said it point-blank. I wrote about it here & noted Herzog himself saying the Palestinians would serve as a blocking party, presumably blocking the rightists from toppling him. This is the same tokenism with which Israeli Palestinians have always been treated.

          The parties forming the Joint List have traditionally refused to sit in government before elections

          This is simply not true. Jewish governing coalitions have excluded Israeli Palestinian parties. There is absolutely no truth to your claim.

          That’s why they also refused to sign a deal with Meretz

          What are you talking about? What deal? Meretz never asked them to sign a deal.

          1. What are you talking about? What deal? Meretz never asked them to sign a deal.
            This is the deal:
            http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/elections/1.2582867

            Jewish governing coalitions have excluded Israeli Palestinian parties. There is absolutely no truth to your claim.
            Joint List leader, Ayman Odeh, talks about not sitting in the coalition (~5:30) – note also the polls that are presented to him which are pretty interesting.
            https://www.facebook.com/dovhanin/posts/959414884092477

            The palestinians parties haven’t recommended any candidate for prime-minister for a decade. There’s also this interview (scroll down to the 16th of February) with Ahmed Tibi.
            https://www.facebook.com/Tibi.Fans

            There are more with Haneen Zoabi as well.
            There’s also a clip that a commentator named Ariel posted in the link to your post which says the same thing. Herzong’s statements didn’t rule out collaboration with the Joint List, whereas, recent events show that the Joint List as objected to deals with the Israeli left.

          2. @ yonathan: As I’ve noted, a “deal” between Meretz & the Joint List regarding individual voters preferences and “surplus votes” is not the same type of deal we were referring to in the context of this thread, which dealt with deals involving forming ruling coalitions.

            Again, whatever statements were made by the Palestinians noted that the Jewish parties, by their choice of name & their endorsement of wars against Palestinians & other issues, have rejected Palestinian interests. Nor have any Jewish parties ever invited a Palestinian party into a ruling coalition.

            Jewish governing coalitions have excluded Israeli Palestinian parties. There is absolutely no truth to your claim.

            I insist you provide proof that Israeli Palestinian parties HAVE served in governing coalitions. If you can’t, then you’re a liar. Furthermore, show me any evidence that a Jewish party has ever publicly invited a Palestinian party to join a such a coalition.

            Herzong’s [sic] statements didn’t rule out collaboration with the Joint List

            Nonsense, Herzog has never said “I don’t rule out collaboration with the Joint List.” The most he has ever said on that score is that he hoped they would “block” the far right.

            I’m giving you one shot to reply to this and only to offer evidence that I’ve specifically requested. If you reply and do not offer such evidence, you will make no further comments in this thread.

          3. @ lol: In the context of this thread we were talking about coalition agreements and whether the Joint List would be included or not in such a “deal.” Then you introduced an entire different matter w/o making clear what you were talking about. That is, an agreement about election “preferences.” That is nowhere near what I was talking about & because you merely threw into the mix a statement about a “deal” and didn’t clarify what you were talking about I assumed it was a “deal” to unite Meretz with the Joint List.

            Meretz is not a truly left Party. It refuses to acknowledge, except in token ways, the Palestinian minority (yes, there is one Israeli Palestinian who will enter Knesset via Meretz). It’s at best a liberal party. So it doesn’t surprise me a party that is truly on the left would not enter into agreements with Meretz since the latter largely disdains non-Jews.

          4. I dunno Richard it looks like you are twisting his words: “Herzog said that he would form a coalition comprised of all the parties “from Lieberman to Meretz” and that he would try to secure “support from the outside” from the Arab parties as well”… This reads to me that since the arab parties do not intend to join the government that Herzog would try to get their support on issues that are important to them… I think if Herzog thought that the joint like would actually want to join the government he would invite them. I see this like the bloc quebecois they have never joined the government but they have supported bills that are important to them. I dont think this is racist i think its pragmatic on both parties. As for the arab list refusing to sign a deal with meretz this was confirmed in Haaretz the other day. http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/.premium-1.645931

  4. let me predict the future: Likud gets 17-18 seats. Herzog is the next prime minister. The accident that happened to the jewish people- Bibi Netanyahu and his 20 years propaganda system, are gone for good. Obama leaves office with two finale: the defeat of the fiction named Isis with the combination of putting an American puppet governmant in Syria, and an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank by early 2017.

  5. Surely the main reason why no Zionist party wants to invite the Joint List into a coalition is the fear that once they are in government those damnable Goys might just prove to be principled, reasonable, responsible and…. competent.

    That would never do, not only because it would destroy decades of demonization, but also because it would highlight just how venal the current crop of “born-to-rule” politicians really are.

    Best not to risk it…..

  6. The more I read about these elections in Israel the more I am convinced that Israeli politics are totally broken. That country is totally unable to make peace with the Palestinians. Every one of these mainstream politicians support completely the mowing the grass policy towards Gaza and lack the ability to confront the West Bank settlers (since they basically support that enterprise in any case) so there is no way that they can make peace. We should face a basic fact of life — left and right wing Zionist are dedicated to expanding Israel into the West Bank. Peace is secondary to that goal.

  7. [comment deleted: I choose not to continue this thread. You’re repeating yourself & that’s a comment rule violation & I have nothing further to say as well. As for moderation, I don’t moderate people without warning them. YOur comment was filtered because it contained 3 URL links & all comments with 3 or more links are automatically filtered.]

  8. RE: “Israeli Elections 2015: Likud Losing, Labor Rallying”

    MY COMMENT: I’m pulling for Benjamin Netanyahu to be reelected because when he addressed the U.S. Congress in 2011 he said he was willing to make “painful concessions” in order to achieve a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Certainly he would not have lied to the U.S. Congress. Not to the U.S. Congress! ! !

    SEE: “Inside the talks’ failure: US officials open up”, By Nahum Barnea, YnetNews.com, May 2, 2014
    In an exclusive interview, American officials directly connected to the talks reveal the real reason for the collapse of the negotiations.

    [EXCERPT] The American version of why the current round of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians failed is fundamentally different to the one presented by Israeli officials. The list of those to blame for this failure is also very different. From the US perspective, the issue of the settlements was largely to blame.

    Senior American officials involved in Secretary of State John Kerry’s peace push this week agreed to share with me their take on the talks’ failure.

    They had one condition, in line with instructions they had received – that I didn’t name them. But what they told me is the closest thing to an official American version of what happened…

    . . . Using advanced software, the Americans drew a border outline in the West Bank that gives Israel sovereignty over some 80 percent of the settlers that live there today. The remaining 20 percent were meant to evacuate. In Jerusalem, the proposed border is based on Bill Clinton’s plan – Jewish neighborhoods to Israel, Arab neighborhoods to the Palestinians.

    The Israeli government made no response to the American plan, and avoided drawing its own border outline. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4515821,00.html

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