In the aftermath of the killings of four Israeli settlers in the heatedly contested Hebron Hills region of the West Bank, an Israeli Palestinian MK blamed the Israeli government for their deaths. In a tweet, Ahmed Tibi wrote:
The best way to protect the lives of settlers is to return them to the State of Israel. A government that sends them to live on occupied land is responsible not just for their lives, but for their death.
Despite the fact that there is some truth in the claim, it stirred a hornet’s nest among the far-right settler MK caucus. Noted Kahanist MK Michael Ben-Ari bellowed:
I too blame the government. This is a government which permits a terrorist advisor to function as a forward base [for terror] in the Knesset. In a normal country, Ahmed Tibi would be breathing grass from under the ground.
In a normal country, Michael Ben Ari would be investigated for incitment to murder. But not in Israel. In Israel, he’s a respected (at least by the far-right) member of Knesset.
H/t Dimi Reider.
Though i am not a supporter of MK Ben Ari or his party
i think you are taking his things out of context.
Ben Ari refereed to the fact that MK. Tibi was a special adviser to Yasser Arraft. As we know arafat was a major force behind the second intifada (and if you don’t know that please read the book son of hamas) and MK. Ben Ari think it is not appropriate that someone who was an adviser to an enemy leader should serve as a MK.
Personally i like MK TIbi, he’s promoting issues protecting the safety of the general public. nevertheless i think it’s a bit problematic when a member of the israeli knesset serves as an adviser to those who actively engage in terror activities against the state of israel. how tolerate would you be against a congressman that would advise osaam bin-laden ?
You want me to read a book written by a Shin Bet Palestinian spy? And anything written there would be credible why???
I don’t believe anything this guy or Ben Ari says so you’d need to prove any claim against Tibi w. real proof before I’d believe it.
Ok, i emailed you a report which includes documents found in Arafat headquarter during operation”Defensive Shield” original documents are in arabic with an hebrew translation.
let me know if you want me to translate the documents to english. you can get to that report (and many others) using comrade google.
you can also look at this interview with Muhammad Dahlan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr3-Vileiew.
there are English subtitles to it, in case your Arabic isn’t fluent.
@ Elad
Palwatch, MEMRI’s twin and ‘Son of Hamas’. You’ve got fine references !
“I think you are taking his things out of context”, you say about Michael Ben-Ami’s words on Tibi.
At least this is not ‘taken out of its context’:
After the Shas Rabbi Ovadia Yosef’s sermon aka hate speech last saturday on ‘Abbas and the Palestinians should perish’:
-www.haaretz.com/news/national/shas-spiritual-leader-abbas-and-palestinians-should-perish-1.310800
Michael Ben-Ami was the first to give OY his full support. “The Rabbi is saying what the majority in Israel really thinks. Abbas is more dangerous than the Hamas. They both want the destruction of Israel, but Abu Mazen’s deceptions are more nuanced. People are misidentifying a terrorist murderer as a man of peace”, said the self- proclaimed heir of Kahane.
– http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=311623
It becomes a bit of a habit in The-Only-Democracy-In-The-Middle-East to threaten the native Arabs, you don’t think so ??
The haaretz-link, once again:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/shas-spiritual-leader-abbas-and-palestinians-should-perish-1.310800
1. Dahlan never gave an interview to palwatch, her gave an interview to an arab news channel, palwatch simply captured it and saved it on you tube.
can you address the issues Dahlan was talking about ?
2. On Aug 17 the Mufti of Jerusalem called for jihad in an interview, same thing. religious guys are idiots, on both sides.
big deal.
No.
I don’t know what the Mufti & wouldn’t trust yr version of what he said if you were the last reporter on earth. Nor do I think the Mufti of Jerusalem is a necessarily influential figure in Palestinian life. But I am glad that you concede that Ovadia Yosef is an idiot. But this idiot is much more powerful than the mufti & has adherents w. major cabinet portfoilios.
I’d say Ben Ari is more dangerous to Israel than Abbas.
@ Elad
I know Dahlan never gave an interview to ‘Palwatch’. He might have abandoned everything he once represented – that was a long time ago – but giving an interview to ‘Palwatch’ would be like mourning on Baruch Goldstein’s grave 🙂 An act of treason.
‘Palwatch’ like MEMRI is known for inaccurate and biased translation, and for doing a lot of cutting in the interviews.
We all know that if somethng has been through ‘Palwatch’ it is supposed to denigrate the Palestinians. And I don’t see what an interview with Dahlan about Arafat has to do with Michael Ben-Ari (sorry, I wrote Ben-AMI ‘son of a friend’ in French which he surely isn’t) and his regular Anti-Palestinian comments.
When the Knesset voted to strip Haneen Zouabi of her parlementary privileges, Ben-Ari who iitiated the move, warned other Arab MK’s. In a letter to MK Jamal Zahalka, the leader of Balad, he wrote “After we deal with her, it will be your turn”.
Ahmad Tibi’s comment:
“It must be ‘Kahane Week’ in Parliament.
Look at Ben-Ari’s own website, he seems to be proud about the whole thing.
I have no interest in receiving anti Palestinian propaganda, even less when the source is likely to be either IDF military intelligence, MEMRI, Debka or any of a thousand other anti Palestinian propaganda site. READ MY COMMENT RULES. I don’t receive, publish, respond to, or allow quoting of such propaganda here. If you have reliable information confirmed by credible sources you may offer it. The list of what is & is not credible is outlines in the rules. Read them.
Dahlan is a butcher. I have no interest in seeing any interview w. him.
Isn’t the place where the settlers were killed in area C, where the PA has no power, and therefore no responsibility for security?
Precisely. And I wrote this in my post on the Hebron shootings. Of course this didn’t stop a reporter whose headline I read today saying that PA security looked bad due to the fact that it didn’t prevent the murders. The fact is that the IDF is responsible for security in that area, not the PA.
RE: “In a normal country, Ahmed Tibi would be breathing grass from under the ground.” – MK Michael Ben-Ari
MY COMMENT: I’m guessing that The Sopranos was (or still is) extremely popular over there.
i dont even think he would be investigated in america, unless the comments are seen as a direct threat
he would however, be asked to make an apology
and im sure we will hear many in the knesset demand one
however, for the other mk to blame the government for the deaths of the 4 is a bit absurd
that is like blaming someone who has been mugged for walking in an unsafe area
he should also be called to task for his comments
the only ones responsible for the murder are the terrorists and the hamas org that took responsibilty
You wouldn’t need a police investigation. If Ben Ari were in Congress whatever party he belonged to would drum him out so fast his head would spin. This behavior is simply not accepted or acceptable in Congress. While legislators may hate ea. other there are long established traditions of comity that may not be breached on pain of censure or worse. This would be one of them.
Let me know when you hear of anyone in Knesset demanding an apology. YOU’re dreaming on this one as usual.
Not at all. It’s like someone who’s been mugged suing the police force for refusing to police the neighborhood.
Not true. Tibi is dead on accurate. The gov’t is to blame for the Occupation & the Occupation is partially to blame for their murder. Hamas pulled the trigger for sure & deserve scorn & worse for that, but there is ample blame on Israel too for maintaining the Occupation.
“Not true. Tibi is dead on accurate. The gov’t is to blame for the Occupation & the Occupation is partially to blame for their murder. Hamas pulled the trigger for sure & deserve scorn & worse for that, but there is ample blame on Israel too for maintaining the Occupation.”
using your analogy any women who wears provocative cloths, is giving a potential rapist an excuse to rape her. and she would be blamed for it.
No, using Richard’s analogy if I break into your house and start taking your stuff and you shoot me, I bear part of the blame. Wearing provocative clothing is not the moral equivalent of the organized theft of land and water.
An analogy closer to what happened here would be this–
The local government steals land from a man without compensating him in any way and then gives the land to someone else. The man who lost the property murders the new occupant.
That raped woman analogy is often used by people who want to score a cheap propaganda point. It certainly doesn’t apply here.
No, that analogy is fahrkochteh. I’m not even going to deal w. it since it’s so insulting & stupid. Sex has nothing to do w. this. This has to do w. political ideology. The extremist settlers in the Hebron Hills moved there out of political ideology & with the fervent support of their gov’t. They engaged in violence virtually every day w. their Palestinians neighbors. They are all to blame for the outcome though Hamas are the proximate villains since they pulled the trigger. Don’t try any other analogies.