11 thoughts on “Bibi and Yvet’s Arab-Hatred: Bring It On! – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. Of course you don’t mind how bad things get; you don’t actually live here, so it won’t effect you. Those of us that do live here, though, care very much. Tikkun Olam indeed.

    1. The problem with you is you’re a liberal incrementalist, but the time when incrementalism could solve the Israeli-Arab conflict is long gone. Radical surgery is the only thing that will work. Piecemeal efforts won’t. Am I willing to see a modest amount of pain in return for decades or generations of peaceful co-existence? You bet.

      You forget that your nation has made a bollocks of things for the past 40 years at a minimum. You have the nerve to suspect whether I have the right to call my blog Tikun Olam when Israel has the record it does?! Puh-leeze.

  2. I totally agree with you. Give Netanyahoo and Leiberman enough of their own rope and they will hang themselves.

    The two new laws, anti-Nakhba and loyalty oath, are quite outrageous, and I hope at least some American MSM note them, although I wouldn’t count on it.

    When Lieberman is marched off to prison (like Olmert?) for corruption, I might begin to believe a little something

    Then the Israeli Bakery (mafia) just might fall apart.

  3. RE: “I say, bring it on baby!”

    MY COMMENT: Sadly, I must reluctantly agree as to nonviolent actions. However, an attack on Iran would be a war crime.

  4. While it is certainly true that the Netanyahu-Lieberman thing is unmasking the cold realties of the Jewish and democratic state in ways that would never happen with any Israeli government that had enough politically cynical common sense to just pay lip service to the two-state solution while continuing to make any plausible scenario for such a resolution completely implausible. Any attack on Iran – even a very limited attack – could almost certainly trigger a whole series of events that might very well send the entire Gulf region up into flames.

    Given that even the Obama Administration would probably be very hesitant to directly interfere with an Israeli attack once actually initiated, even a limited attack on Iran would quite likely provoke Iranian retaliation against American interest in the Gulf thus triggering an entire cycle of events. American military power would almost certainly move very quickly to protect their forces and interest in the Gulf from Iranian retaliation.

    Much of the Gulf such as Bahrain and the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia is Sunni ruled with Shiite majorities, a people who feel a great deal of affinity toward Iran who are ruled by governments highly fearful of Iran.

    Still with the need for Gulf state facility and air space by U.S. forces to protect their own forces and interest – further Iranian retaliation hitting directly into the Gulf States or oil tankers moving through the Striates of Hormuz is all but inevitable.

    Although Iran does not have particularly sophisticated weaponry compared to America or their Gulf state allies, they do have vast supplies of relatively unsophisticated short and medium range missiles deeply embedded in hostile and unapproachable terrain – weaponry more than capable of causing massive damage, crippling oil production and transport and possibly knocking out the desalinization plants which supply the eastern Gulf state port cities with much needed potable water.

    Imagine the global consequences of oil prices hitting two to three hundred dollars a barrel in the current global economic atmosphere.

    Even a very limited Israeli attack on Iran carries with it very plausible Road to Armageddon scenarios.

  5. Looks like Israel’s PR war has already begun:

    Israeli diplomats told to take offensive in PR war against Iran

    “…The goal, according to a senior Foreign Ministry official, is “to show the world that Iran is not a Western democracy” in the run-up to the country’s presidential election on June 12.

    About a week ago, the head of the ministry’s Task Force on Isolating Iran sent a classified telegram to all Israeli embassies and consulates, titled “Activities in the Run-up to Iran’s Presidential Election.” It detailed things Israeli representatives should do before, during and after the election….

    In a nutshell, the goal is to “blacken Iran’s international reputation….”

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1089463.html

  6. Well it’s the first time anyone has ever called me a liberal incrementalist.

    I thought you were a Zionist? Does that not mean that you also have a certain amount of emotional involvement – and even responsibility – in this place? As for the puh-leeze, it would be interesting to compare the death and destruction that Israel has caused over the last 40 years with that caused by America (and, before you complain about the comparison, remember your compare and contrast when it came to the issue of people working for the security services).

    My point, though, was that if you were living here, you might – for example – come with me and Combatants for Peace to help out in South Hebron on Saturday. Or should I sit at home and say, nah, let the settlers do their worse, it’ll only do harm to Israel’s image abroad, and then they’ll really clamp down on us.

    1. it would be interesting to compare the death and destruction that Israel has caused over the last 40 years with that caused by America

      I’ll take that bet. At 50 times the Israeli population, I’d wager that the level of violence perpetrated by Israel dwarfs whatever heinousness the U.S. has perpetrated if you could figure this out on a per capita basis.

      come with me and Combatants for Peace to help out in South Hebron on Saturday

      Good. I’m glad you’re going. But this is entirely a non sequitur for what we’re discussing. Besides if we can figure out how to topple the pro-Occupation political regime then not only won’t you have to protect Palestinian farmers from lunatic settlers, there won’t be a danger of war with Iran. We each work in our own way–you in yours and me in mine. If the work I’m engaged in doesn’t satisfy you that’s your problem, not mine.

  7. Richard,

    Would you support another 9-11 if it would bring justice to Palestine? Would you support suicide attacks if they would bring justice to Palestine? Having read your blog for a while, I doubt it. If not, why would you support the murder of Iranians? If your problem would be with the word “justice” in the above, feel free to substitute whatever word you think would make it worth it.

  8. I’ll take that bet too. Now this is just on the basis of overt US actions (so it excludes stuff like involvement in Latin America etc). Vietnam, 1st Gulf War, Kosovo, Afghanisatan, 2nd Gulf War – that leads a total minimum civilian casualty rate of 2,865,144.
    Taking the maximum estimate of civilian casualties caused in Israeli wars etc (Six Day War, Lebanon, Intifadas, Gaza etc) is a total of 28,416.
    The difference is 100 fold, and that’s based on minimum US estimates and max Israeli estimates, and by excluding Latin America etc etc.

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