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  1. Finally, I chuckled at this quotation from Alan Dershowitz, the man who singlehandedly destroyed the academic career of Norman Finkelstein through slurs, calumny and character assassination…If I recall correctly, Finkelstein started this fight by accusing Dershowitz of plagiarism. If Finkelstein or anyone else accused me of plagiarism, I would vigorously respond as well

    Is this Katsof’s idea of civility?…to be honest, civility isnt your strong suit either. While you are a passionate progressive, what bothers me is the absence of any doubt on your part. Do you ever ponder the possibility that you are wrong? If the answer is no, you might be a mirror image of Rabbi Katsov

  2. @Acai Berri:

    Finkelstein started this fight by accusing Dershowitz of plagiarism. If Finkelstein or anyone else accused me of plagiarism, I would vigorously respond as well

    First, Finkelstein presented an ironclad case against Dershowitz’s plagiarism. Second, I have no problem with Dershowitz RESPONDING. But I have a very big problem w. him making it his life’s work to destroy Finkelstein’s career.

    But Finkelstein can be comforted that he has forever destroyed the credibility of Alan Dershowitz as a political commentator & “expert” on Jewish/Israel issues for everyone except the Jerusalem Post & other right wing media sites.

    what bothers me is the absence of any doubt on your part.

    When there is doubt, I have no problem w. expressing it. When I feel certain about something, I express my views in those terms. If you haven’t read any expressions of doubt in this blog then you don’t read it very extensively or carefully. In fact, I quite carefully circumscribed my suggestion that Katsof might be the funder of this campaign because I simply don’t have anything more than a suspicion about it.

    you might be a mirror image of Rabbi Katsov [sic]

    I wouldn’t mind being his ‘mirror image’ if it would provide me a few billion dollars to support projects on behalf of I-P peace.

  3. I think the first commenter made the point extremely well. It’s not that Finkelstein makes a case it’s that he is/was the one who singlehandedly makes it into a gutter spewing assassination fight. He takes pleasure in smighting and assassinating people…

    Finkelstein made a case against Dershowitz for plagery, fine. However, he also eagerly sought to assassinate and personally smight him as well. Just one example is the cartoon of Dershowitz appearing at his website – where Dershowitz is pleasuring himself to the idea of Lebanese citizens dying in the Israeli Hezbollah war. Quite a classy discourse.

    Only after Finkelstein’s relentless attacks then Derhowitz attacks back – it would seem ironic that you would then state it was Dershowitz “who’s life work was to assassinate and destroy Finkelstein”?
    Noone seems to spew the vitriol Finkelstein regularly does at those he chooses to pick out. If your case is strong then why resort to gutter name calling and assassination?

    However, if Dershowitz did do the same then it’s rather sad to then listen to Finkelstein complain about getting back a bit of what he regularly serves to others? Further, why does it appear that Finkelstein always gets into hot water with his temperment and demeanor and then it is always someone else fault – usually a conspiracy?

    I remember Rashid Khalidi was accused of plagarism a few years ago… however, I don’t remember any of those making the claims against him spewing invectives at him and his person. There were no classless disgusting cartoons and people trying to make a mockery of him?

    Yet, it seems regular fare for Finkelstein and his crowd? Why is that?

  4. @Avi Benson:

    Dershowitz is pleasuring himself to the idea of Lebanese citizens dying in the Israeli Hezbollah war

    Oh please. You want to defend Alan Dershowitz? You’ve come to the wrong place. This is a man who claims that Lebanese civilians were perfectly acceptable “collateral damage” in the most recent Lebanon war. There is nothing anyone could do or say about this man that would be too harsh as far as I’m concerned.

    If Alan Dershowitz destroyed your academic career I’m sure displaying such a cartoon of him on yr website might be one of the less severe acts you might engage in in response.

    Finkelstein did not destroy Dershowitz’s career. But Dershowitz did destroy Finkelstein’s. There’s a big difference which you seem unwilling or unable to concede. Perhaps you’re wearing blinders??

    Rashid Khalidi was accused of plagarism a few years ago… however, I don’t remember any of those making the claims against him spewing invectives at him and his person

    First, if you think Rashid Khalidi’s right wing opponents are sprinkling him with rose petals boy, you have another thing coming. Khalidi is treated very harshly by his enemies. They’d be perfectly happy to ride him out of town on a rail if they could. Second, the idea that Rashid Khalidi commited plagarism is laughable. The idea that Alan Dershowtiz committed plagiarism is unfortunately true.

  5. Re Dershowitz –
    I never “defended” Dershowitz per se I was commenting on Finkelstein.
    Second, the vile cartoon was on Finkelstein’s website for months – well before – the controversy at Depaul started. Norman not only put it up he gloated about it taking pleasure in it.
    The person who destroyed Norman Finkelstein’s career as you say – was Norman Finkelstein. It wasn’t the first time he was “let go” (though he states he wasn’t let go). When your debating style is to viciously and personally attack those you disagree with and smother any dissent/debate its not exactly a “learning” environment.

    Show me anything said by anyone with any academic standing that even approaches anything Finkelstein did or has done – regarding Khalidi. The Dershowitz plagarism of lazy sloppy footnoting do appear true… whoever wrote those passages as Finkelstein is likely correct that his tas helped write the book. The Khalidi charge looked pretty suspicious as well and the relevant information was pulled from the web shortly thereafter.

  6. and chose not to publish my reply to you…. so another words engaging you in a debate is not something worth doing because you have a strong need to control what is said and apparently get the last word in.
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  7. Addressing the issue of whether or not he was a spokesman –
    It doesn’t matter who believes what – 3 different articles have surfaced from 1976 – 1983 from the NY and LA Times that cite and quotes him as a PLO spokesman.
    Also, my comment stated I was more perturbed that in the early 90’s he praised glowingly the organizer of the Munich massacre.
    Obama can ‘break bread’ with whomever he likes. The issue was whether or not in a Presidential election your friends and associates is relevant. I indicated that while the press should be careful about such things this was nonetheless relevant. As Richard Silverstein has copiously detailed with a lot more fervor some of John McCain’s associations, etc..
    re Shamir and Begin –
    The old bait and switch… get off topic put words in someone’s mouth and then demand they reply to that… very logical and professional.
    And note – I never denounced Khalidi only indicated some concern about his comments…

  8. @Avi Benson:

    3 different articles have surfaced from 1976 – 1983 from the NY and LA Times that cite and quotes him as a PLO spokesman

    I don’t care what anyone called him. I care what he called himself. If you can find any source in which he himself calls himself a PLO spokesperson then we can talk. Besides, this is a meaningless canard anyway. Being a spokesperson for the PLO is neither a criminal nor terrorist act except to right wingers like you.

    I don’t have any idea what he said about the Munich Olympic massacre organizer & you’re making a claim without backing it up w. a quote or source is meaningless.

    You still refuse to denounce Shamir & Begin’s participation in terrorist acts while denouncing Khalidi for being (if indeed he ever was) a civilian spokesperson for an organization that is currently an ally of Israel and the U.S. Amazing. You’re a piece of work!

    If you’re not denouncing Khalidi then why is it so important to you that we acknowledge yr claim that he was a PLO spokesperson??

  9. @Avi Benson:

    The person who destroyed Norman Finkelstein’s career as you say – was Norman Finkelstein.

    You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The reasons provided by those who denied him tenure were ridiculous & had absolutely no academic or scholarly basis. Essentially he was denied tenure because he was not deemed “collegial” enough. A preposterous claim on its face & it makes DePaul a laughing stock. Clearly, Dershowitz managed to make it hot enough for the DePaul administrators & board that they decided that discretion was the better part of valor & they folded.

    BTW, “debating style” is not a scholarly or academic criteria for denying someone tenure. No one says a scholar has to be a nice person to get tenure. Finkelstein is a pain in the ass. Big deal & too bad. If that was a valid criterion, fully half or more of academia would be out of a job.

    Dershowitz is a lying scumbag. He destroyed Finkelstein’s career & no amt. of foolishness fr. you is going to make it otherwise.

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