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  1. Hi Richard,

    Thanks for calling Bishara’s article to my attention. I would otherwise have missed it. Do you recall some articles in Haaretz not too long ago about the Shin Bet having discussed with PM’s office the fact that they were prepared (or acting) to stop any challenges to the Jewish nature of the state EVEN if these challenges were made along legal lines? This could be an example of that policy although I can’t find the articles I believe I recall.

    Be well.

  2. It’s absolutely part & parcel of this policy. A direct outgrowth. I & a few other analysts have noted this connection. I’ve linked to that Haaretz article in one of my earlier Bishara posts. If you’d like the link write here or send me an e mail & I’ll look for it.

  3. I’ll expand.
    Dreyfus was a French patriot and artillary officer who was wrongly accused of spying. He was exonerated. After serving several years in prison he returned to the army and served for the French in WWI. Dreyfus was Jewish by birth but he wasn’t a Jewish nationalist or seperastist. Ironically, his grandchild was deported by the Vichy government to a Nazi concentration camps.
    Bishara is no Israeli patriot. He would never serve in it’s army. It is presently irrelevant if Israel’s army wants or whether he should feel patriotic. He is Palestinian nationalist.
    He was interogated for contacts and perhaps money he received from enemy agents. The interogation was closely scrutinized by the attorney general and reviewed every three months by the supreme court. Since the interogation is so closely followed by these non shin bet institutions, the comments by Diskin are not relevant.
    Bishara is innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunatley he has decided to flee the country in the middle of the investigation. This was his choice. Nobody “hounded” him into exile. As for ther specific activities he is suspected of doing, I wouldn’t pay to much attention to newspaper reports quoting unnamed sources. If he ever returns to Israel (which I doubt) and the investigation is completed, the attorney general will decide if a case can be made against him. Apparently, Bishara thinks a case can be made against him, otherwise he wouldn’t have fled.
    I don’t recall Bishara ever fighting for civil rights. He fights for national rights. In this sense he reminds me more of Farakhan than MLK.
    And another piece of trivia: Bishara’s father was a communist, and towing the party line, supported the UN partition plan of Palestine. For this he was sentenced to death in Iraq (in his absence, I presume).

  4. As usual, you’ve focussed on an argument I didn’t make. I never said Bishara was a military hero nor did I intend to compare him to Dreyfuss in that way. Just because he hasn’t served in an Israeli military which would’ve have him anyway doesn’t detract from his Israeliness.

    But many Israeli citizens consider him an Israeli patriot and I predict that in time, if the nationalist divide between Jews and Arabs is ever worked out (& I believe it will) Bishara will come to be seen as the father or one of the father’s of his ethnic group & hence an Israeli patriot.

    The interogation was closely scrutinized by the attorney general and reviewed every three months by the supreme court.

    Which means precisely very little. The AG & Supreme Court are notoriously lenient in allowing the skirting of rules by intelligence agencies esp. when alleged national security issues arise. I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out that something like this has happened in this case.

    Nobody “hounded” him into exile.

    Oh, you don’t think an intelligence agent telling you you may be brought up on charges which could cost you your life can be described as “hounding?”

    I don’t recall Bishara ever fighting for civil rights. He fights for national rights.

    You live in a bizarro world. A Jew who fights for Jewish national rights is fighting for human (i.e. civil) rights. An Arab who fights for Arab national rights is no less a fighter for civil rights.

    As for Bishara’s father, I’d phrase the irony of this entirely differently. He was a Communist who supported the creation of the Jewish state. Now, that same Jewish state wants potentially to execute his son for treason.

  5. I’ll give an example. An Arab fighting for civil rights will demand that Arab pupils and Jewish pupils receive equal funding and that the curriculum (identical for both pupils and created with Jewish and Arab input) reflect the diverse nature of Israeli society, I can support this. The Arab nationalists want the Arab schools to be independant and the curriculum decided by Arabs only without interference from the Jewish. This I do not support.

  6. That sounds fine to me. I’m not much in favor of segregated learning. But let me ask you this. I assume there are religious public schools in Israel. Do Arabs have any input into the curriculum of these schools? I highly doubt it. Isn’t it a bit hypocritical for Arabs to have no input into Jewish religious public schools while Jews want input into the curriculum in Arab schools?

    I’m generally in favor of equal opportunity, equal treatment & equal funding for both groups. I’m not keen on schools which separate groups or encourage segregation or chauvinism. But personally I’m not that strongly opposed to it either. Jewish schools are essentially segregated anyway since most Jewish students will hardly ever see an Arab student. Personally, I wish there was real intergration in which all Jews had to study with some Arabs & vice versa. That would be socially & culturally very tense & stressful, but it should happen nevertheless.

  7. The AG & Supreme Court are notoriously lenient in allowing the skirting of rules by intelligence agencies esp. when alleged national security issues arise.

    Can you back this up with some facts. The Israeli supreme court is widely respected in the world.

    Now, that same Jewish state wants potentially to execute his son for treason.

    No one in their right mind thinks that Bishara will be executed. And as far as medical treatment in Israeli jails, you have no evidence to support your claim in a previous thread that it is inadequate. If you have some, you should present it. Anyway your argument that this represents “hounding” is applicable to any suspected criminal.

    And now for some compare and contrast: Savri Rezawei, 26 years old, was picked up by goons from the al Aksa Martyrs Brigade (those would be Fatah Abu Mazen affiliated goons). He “confessed” to collaborating with Israel and was immediately executed. That was three days ago. No courts, no lawyers no interviews with al-jazeera and no one cares. No results for his name on a google blog search. That’s all. And please, don’t even try to comparing this to targeted killing by the IDF in theterritories, since Savri was a Palestinian (one oftheir own) and they had him in custody.
    As far as Israel’s public schools goes, I don’t know how the curriculum is decided. I, myself, have no objection that the same committee (with both Arabs and Jews in it) make the curriculum for ALL public schools including religious schools. That means Arabs (professioanal) educators would make a contribution for policies in Jewish religious schools. If everyone acts in good faith, I see no problem.

  8. Can you back this up with some facts. The Israeli supreme court is widely respected in the world.

    The Supreme Court has for years entirely ducked a major case brought by Israeli human rights groups charging the IDF with war crimes. It has used every legal tool to deny & delay for years hearing & ruling on the case. It’s laughable. Second, it’s not just that the Supreme Court has temporized over many issues related to national security & human rights, but the decisions it does make are routinely violated by the IDF & security services:

    Israeli security interrogators routinely mistreat and sometimes torture Palestinian detainees, meting out abuse that includes beatings and contortion, Israeli human rights groups said in a new report on Sunday.

    …In a report based on the testimonies of 73 Palestinians from the occupied West Bank detained between July 2005 and January 2006, the groups said the Shin Bet security service employs a seven-step
    “interrogation system.”

    The methods for trying to extract information include solitary confinement “in putrid, stifling cells,” the painful binding of a detainee’s hands and feet to a chair, sleep disturbance and cursing and humiliation, the report said.

    Such practices, the groups said, constitute “ill-treatment” under international law and violate an Israeli Supreme Court ban against interrogation methods aimed at breaking a detainee’s spirit.

    The IDF has also ignored a Supreme Court ruling prohibiting it fr. using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Ynetnews featured a video of an actual IDF violation in the field. What good is a Supreme Court is its ruling are ignored?

    And as far as medical treatment in Israeli jails, you have no evidence to support your claim

    Do you mean to tell me that you believe that the Israeli prison system is medically prepared to treat a prisoner who has had a kidney transplant including providing dialysis treatment & other advanced emergency treatment that might be required including provision of proper medications & medical consultations w. specialists as needed? If you were an Israeli prisoner with such a condition would you feel confident you would be properly treated??

    I, myself, have no objection that the same committee (with both Arabs and Jews in it) make the curriculum for ALL public schools including religious schools.

    I’m glad to hear that we agree on something. However, you & I both know that most rightists & all haredi Jews would object vehemently to Arabs having any say in a religious school curriculum.

  9. Thanks Richard. After some digging aorund on your great blog I found the reference. Hey now that your blog is one of the more authorative maybe you should contact Haaretz about finally getting their archiving and retrieval possibilities up to snuff. It is one of the most broadly quoted and referenced Israeli newspapers in the blogosphere yet after a few days none of their great content is findable.

    Be well. Lennybruce

  10. What the IDF and Shin Bet do is a reflection of the IDF and Shin Bet, not the supreme court.
    Yes, I believe that Israeli prisons could cope with a guy like Bishara medically. No problem whatsoever. Israeli prisons utilize the experts, clinics, and emergency rooms of Israel’s hospitals when necessary.
    Sheik Ahmad Yassin spent many years in prison in spite of chronic illnesses.
    Bishara is suspected of betraying the country in spite of the fact that his father risked his life supporting its creation. The same country which supported the medical institution Hadasah where his life was saved with a kidney transplant. Hey Azmi, if you hate Israel so much, why don’t you give back your kidney.

  11. Hey Azmi, if you hate Israel so much, why don’t you give back your kidney.

    This is a craven & offensive comment. Medical care should be provided w/o regard to political affiliation or ethnic origin. If you don’t share that view then I’d invite you to either keep yr trap shut on that subject or move on to somewhere where people like that sort of snark.

    Besides he loves Israel. He just envisions a diff. Israel than you do.

  12. “Medical care should be provided w/o regard to political affiliation or ethnic origin.” – Agreed

  13. What the IDF and Shin Bet do is a reflection of the IDF and Shin Bet, not the supreme court.

    Not true. The IDF & Shin Bet do whatever they think they can get away with. They violate Supreme Court rulings with impunity. Even when they are filmed doing it they face no judicial sanctions. That is unfortunately a toothless Supreme Court. If it were the U.S. there would be an injunction slapped on the military faster than they could say “human shield.”

    I am not saying the Supreme Court is useless. When it does rule is often does so in helpful & constructive ways. But it is often honored in the breach if at all.

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