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  1. You conveniently don’t count the number of Israeli citizens killed in suicide bombings – which are planned and organized by the terrorists that the IDF targets in these operations. The IDF at least aims at the killers – and doesn’t just send rockets anywhere – which is what the Palestinians do in Gaza.

  2. You conveniently don’t count the number of Israeli citizens killed in suicide bombings

    Not at all, I’m happy to discuss that issue because it too shoots down (pardon the pun) yr argument. Certainly, many hundreds, perhaps thousands of Israelis have been murdered in these bombings. I don’t in any way defend or explain them as they’re flat out criminal (in the same way that the IDF’s artillery barrages which kill & maim Palestinians are).

    But the statistics prove that Palestinian deaths FAR OUTWEIGH Israeli in such incidents. I remember reading the ratio of 4:1.

    There are many reasons why the Palestinians use different tactics than the IDF. I assure you that if the Palestinians had half the weaponry of the IDF (thank God they don’t) then their tactics would much more closely resemble the IDF’s. When you’re a guerilla insurgent you use the materials you have at hand & the tactics that are available to you. Is it brutal & heinous to kill civilians indiscriminately (on both sides)? Yes. But remember that conept of proportionality–the deaths on the Palestinian side far outweight those on the Israeli. A morally responsible government would take that into account when planning anti-terror policy to mitigate the number of needless deaths. As any reading of any Israeli daily newspaper will tell you, they haven’t done so. In fact they’ve loosened the rules of fire & engagement allowing IDF pilots to be even more trigger free than previously. We’ve seen the tragic results of this in the past month.

  3. Getting to be a habit indeed. In the 13 odd years that the PA has been in existence would you venture to guess how many times it has aided Israel in brining militant /criminals to justice? Here’s a hint: ZERO. So Israel carries on, doing what it can.

    People complain when Israel exerts too much of a presence in the so called “territories,” and whine even louder when Israel decides to buy into the whole “occupation” dynamic and stay put on its side of the de facto border. They cried about the opressice checkpoints, curfws, and demolitions but once Israel pulled out of Gaza, it took all of 45 minutes for terrorists to launch a strike, testing the waters so to speak [actually a cooridinated suicide operation was uncovered and defused DURING the pullout].

    Since Israel has pulled out of Gaza there have been no less than 6 Qassams each and every day [and quite often alot more]. Israel could cross over and rish the wrath of every professional whiner the world over, it could sit on its hands as the PA yet again fails to assist in the apprehension of the wanted parties, or it could take a proactive approach…which gratefully it has done.

    In taking this more agressive approach Israel risks [and often does] coming off as the offensive party. In fact, International Law fully supports the rights of sovereign nations to denfend themselves when faced with total annihilation and make no mistake, this is what Israel is up against. It is an unfortunate fact of life that when it comes to armed conflicts, innocent non-combatants WILL BE adversely effected….even injured and very sadly, death. The American general said it best in WWII, “War is hell.”

  4. Since Israel has pulled out of Gaza there have been no less than 6 Qassams each and every day [and quite often alot more]

    A typically misleading comment from this poster. Israeli journalist Robert Rosenberg of Ariga.com writes that before the Hamas attack on the IDF outpost the number of Qassams fired had diminished:

    He [Amir Peretz] hoped that the Palestinian president and prime minister would reciprocate with pressure on the Qassam launchers to cease their fire, and indeed, Qassam launches dwindled in number to one to three a day.

    Since Peretz ordered an end to artillery shelling of Gaza and IAF targeted assassinations by air the Qassams had decreased exponentially. Also, Qassams have not killed any Israeli since the Gaza disengagement a year ago.

    International Law fully supports the rights of sovereign nations to denfend themselves when faced with total annihilation

    It certainly does. It supports a nation’s right to DEFEND itself which certainly does not include killing scores of civilians through its so called acts of defense. International law does not view incursions by a country into territory not its own as “defensive.” International law certainly never recognized Israel’s occupation of Gaza and would not recognize the current invasion as a “defensive” operation.

    It is an unfortunate fact of life that when it comes to armed conflicts, innocent non-combatants WILL BE adversely effected…

    “Adversely effected [sic]” indeed. Oh the euphemisms you hardline apologists use!

    One final note: I do NOT appreciate the commenter calling people with my views “whiners.” Say what you want anywhere else you on the web wish, but you won’t use such disparaging remarks here unless you wish to be banned or yr comment deleted.

  5. First of all, you need to research your information a tad bit better. Noone has been killed by a Qassam since Disengagement? 2 Israelis were killed near Nahal Oz this past March. A father and son, Israeli Bedua by the way. Second of all, I stand by my comment of at least 6 having been fiored per day and asI said, often a bit more. this does not include Grads which have also been fired at regular intervals.

    You find the word “whiner” offensive? Typical but of course THIS is YOUR world and who am I to go against the grain? I must take issue though wirth your use of the word “typical” since until today I have only postted here once. How does one post typify anything?

    Now….Your comments on a nation entering land not its own has nothing to do with this issue. As you most definitely know, Gaza was a military administrative territory of Egypt up until 1967. In the 67 War Egypt relinquished any and all claims to the land rendering it in effect, a no man’s land. International LAw has no clear application for this situation, hence the lack of action with regard to either claimant on this issue.

    If, as you say it was clearly a violation of International Law, where are the indictments? The only thing the Tribunal has EVER done with regard top Israel was issue a brief on the “Barrier.”

    The usual complaint of “occupation” is of course not realistic, again hence the lack of indictment or relevant action. The only INDEPENDANT nation to exist in either Gaza OR the so called “West Bank” was a Jewish nation so if Israel is occupying anything it is its ancestral homeland! Furthermore, there has never been a nation known as “Palestine.”

    As for “defensive action,” one can certainly interpret proactive deployment as a defensive action. Was Israel’s pre-emptive air strikes in 67 offensive actions? Of course by the letter of the law it was but as any rational person known, it was in defensive mode.

    Israel is a sovereign, legal nation. The militants launching all sorts of ordnance at Israel or neither. the entity responsible for keeping those militants in check [i.e the PA] refuses to uphold its mandate [of course because the PA is controlled by the chief instigator HAMAS]. Should Israel just allow its citizens and property to be assaulted at will? Who will stop it? The PA? EU? UN? Only Israel is left to do what it must.

    Sadly, innocent Arabs living in Gaza are caught in the middle. Of course this is part and parcel of the HAMAS strategy in what they deem a win/win m.o. Anytime an innocent Arab dies from an Israeli defensive measure their photo is shopped around the world, as evidenced by your unfortunate usage in this very thread.

    Israel takes whatever steps it can to try and minimise such collateral damage but as you should know, Gaza is one of, if not THE world’s most densely populated areas. Hopefully HAMAS and others will soon lay down their arms and allow their innocent neighbours, both Israeli and “Palestinian”, to live in peaceful coexistence.

  6. Rachamim:

    Noone has been killed by a Qassam since Disengagement? 2 Israelis were killed near Nahal Oz this past March. A father and son, Israeli Bedua by the way.

    You are a sneaky one, aren’t you? Here’s a quote from another comment you left at this site:

    Two Israeli Bedua found an unexploded Qassam near Nachal Oz in the Negev. Thinking it just another piece of military scrap [the Negev is littered with it], they attempted to salvage it. the father and son team inadvertantly set off the Qassam and were killed

    If this story is correct (and you provide no link to an objective media source so I can’t verify your claim & I certainly will not accept any claim from you w/o such substantiation), it only proves that two Israeli Beouins found a Qassam and accidentally detonated it. Qassam rocket fire has not killed an Israeli since disengagement. That is a true statement. If we blame Palestinian militants for these deaths then we also must blame the IDF when it’s unexploded munitions kill innocent Palestinians.

    I must take issue though wirth your use of the word “typical” since until today I have only postted here once. How does one post typify anything?

    You have written several comments (too many) here and I have read only too much of your propaganda at other sites where you plant your [Israeli] flag & know your MO quite well.

    As for the rest of your droning exercise in propaganda, I simply have other things to do than to get into a big mahloket with you. ‘Mostly like you’ll go your way & I’ll go mine’ to quote my ‘rabbi.’

  7. Could someone tell me if there is an international campaign ongoing to ban aerial assasinations specifically in built up areas. Several years ago the landmine campaign got a boost when Britains Princess Diane took up the cause.
    I believe its a cause which could get high profile celebrities involved.

  8. You call a difference in opinion “propaganda?” Again, how typical. then I am kindly shown the door….Right, so stay in your pretend world and be happy. however, you are not representative of anything other than your left wing fantasies. If this is posted, Ill be suprised, never the less I will honour your wishes and leave you in peace, which is about the only peace you leftists are capable of creating.

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