4 thoughts on “‘Global Voices: Israel’ Lacks Political Diversity – Tikun Olam תיקון עולם إصلاح العالم
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  1. Dear Richard,

    Thanks for replying to my previous comment. On many issues we agree, I am sure, but when it comes to the question Who’s a Zionist? we do not really see eye to eye, I am afraid. In my opinion one can be sympathetic to a certain version of Zionism or to the Jewish state, but a Jew who for whatever reason chooses to live outside Israel should refrain from calling himself a Zionist, because he is preaching towards other Jews and to the outside world something that he cannot realize or does not believe in himself: that Jews should live in Israel.

    I certainly believe in a very important role for the Diaspora and, do not get me wrong, I do not blame anyone for not making aliyah, on the contrary: Israel would be weaker without the Diaspora. Still, there is a significant difference – again, in my opinion, I know you will disagree with me on this – between the opinion of someone who more or less lives the Zionist dream/nightmare and someone who provides commentary from the sidelines, no matter how true, insight- and helpful his comments sometimes are. Lisa’s work on her blog and in international fora has a different impact from your weblog, in particular because she shows the very human, vulnerable and nuanced face of (Anglo-)Israelis and Israeli journalists.

    Aron Trauring was one of the first bloggers to whose blogs I put a link on my weblog ( I call that list ‘Israel-related weblogs’, which is a broad enough definition ), and he gave me some valuable advice when I just started DBI. Yet, he does not live in Israel, he lives in New York, so there is no reason to include him in the list you so much want to be a part of, and I am almost positive that he would not want to be included. There is a case for including Ariga, maybe, but Ran HaCohen’s writings have hardly anything to do with a weblog.

    You are right when you say that most Israeli-Anglo bloggers seem to be right of center politically, although I think that yours truly, OlehGirl, Lisa G., Savtadotty, Not a Fish, the View from Here ‘prove’ that being a real – fairly progressive – Zionist, blogging in Israel and not being an honorary member of Kach can be combined in one and the same person. That there are not more leftwing/liberal/not-rightwing-extremist Anglo-bloggers in Israel is something that, unlike you, we cannot really do anything about. In other words, it is up to you, not us.

    In short, I think that while I disagree on many points with most of the Israeli bloggers I think that they do belong on GVO/Lisa’s list, and that you do not, even though I agree with you on more than one political point. The list is about living in and writing from/about Israel, not about having an opinion on what is going on in and around the Jewish State.

  2. a Jew who…chooses to live outside Israel should refrain from calling himself a Zionist, because he is preaching towards other Jews and to the outside world something that he cannot realize or does not believe in himself: that Jews should live in Israel.

    I can see how quickly our conversation moves from friendly to contentious as soon as I reveal that I don’t intend to make aliyah. Why do you speak in such a friendly fashion when trying to convert me to the idea of making aliyah, but once you discover that I will not, then the intellectual gloves come off?

    I strenuously & even vehemently disagree with your narrow definition of Zionism. There has been a thriving, intimate relationship between Diaspora & Zion ever since the Romans expelled the Jews from Israel in the first century CE. And ever since the modern Zionist movement began there have been Zionists who lived in the Diaspora and never made aliyah. I’m afraid that if we followed your lead we’d have to dismantle the entire structure of the World Zionist Congress since by yr definition Zionists cannot live in the Diaspora & call themselves such. It’s a wrong-headed notion & thankfully reality intercedes when idealists go to extremes.

    You may wish for the cow to jump over the moon but it simply won’t happen. You must know in your heart that not all Jews will make aliyah. And that many of these Jews will love Zion & call themselves Zionists (even if you find this treif). Why deliberately alienate them by telling them they’re beyond the pale?

    Further, I do believe that Jews should live in Israel. I just don’t believe that ALL Jews should live there. And I don’t believe that I should either.

    There is a significant difference – again, in my opinion, I know you will disagree with me on this – between the opinion of someone who more or less lives the Zionist dream/nightmare and someone who provides commentary from the sidelines, no matter how true, insight- and helpful his comments sometimes are.

    Indeed, I couldn’t disagree more. There may be a difference in your mind but not in that of the vast majority of the remainder of world Jewry (& even many Israelis). And I might add that Zionism itself is changing within Israel (as it has since 1967) & that your notion will linger for some time, but it will eventually, I hope, morph into a recognition that Zionism and the Diaspora are co-equal partners in forging the identity of the Jewish people.

    Lisa’s work on her blog and in international fora has a different impact from your weblog, in particular because she shows the very human, vulnerable and nuanced face of (Anglo-)Israelis and Israeli journalists.

    Again, it’s not “either/or.” Lisa presents a valuable slice of life image of Israel. And I have quite a different goal in mind. We fill different niches. As I wrote to her, why can’t we let 1,000 flowers bloom? Why must only one flower dominate the garden?

    My problem isn’t with what Lisa covers in Global Voices. What she does write about it worthwhile. It’s what she DOESN’T COVER that distresses me.

    Regarding Aron Trauring. I think you know that he only recently moved to New York. Why wasn’t he included by Lisa when he lived in Israel (which has been almost the entire time he’s written his blog)? And so you want to exclude Ran Hacohen & Aron Trauring and me. How do you propose that Lisa present to her readers a political perspective that is a major (though not majority) element of Israeli political life? Or is your idea that she has no responsibility to include that voice unless it fulfills her artificial notion of what is a blog and what is an Israeli blog?

    The list is about living in and writing from/about Israel, not about having an opinion on what is going on in and around the Jewish State.

    Lisa determines what’s in the Israel section. But Haitham Sabbah determines what’s in the Palestine section and he sets his rules entirely differently than hers. There is no reason why Lisa couldn’t show more flexibility. Unless that is, she is adhering to your conventional Zionist notion of what is a kosher blog to include in this section. And if this is the case it is most unfortunate & I’m relatively sure that the Global Voices management would not agree with this notion.

    If there is a case for including Ariga.com you should make it to Lisa. It clearly fell on deaf ears when Robert talked w. her about it; and she didn’t reply to my suggestion that he be included.

  3. Just to clarify, Richard — Lisa and I, though we know each other, never discussed her mentioning Ariga at her blog. I actually wasn’t aware of her having a blog until you pointed it out to me. My comment about bloggers either looking down on Ariga as not being a blog because it is doesn’t use the I word or looking up at it as a veteran journalist’s site, was a general reference, and not something resulting from a conversation with Lisa.
    Best
    Robert Rosenberg

  4. Robert: I must’ve misunderstood a phrase you wrote in your e mail to me. My mistake & I stand corrected.

    But regardless of whether or not she communicated to you the reasons you are not incluced…the fact of the matter is that she doesn’t include you in her roundup. Either she doesn’t like yr politics or she doesn’t consider you a blog. Either way, it’s too bad & hurts the representativeness of Global Voices Israel section.

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