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Posts Tagged ‘geneva-initiative’

Derfner Blog Partnership Suspended

Friday, June 10th, 2011

A few months ago Larry Derfner came to me with an idea I thought was terrific: co-authoring a blog to debate the burning issues of the nature of Israeli society, Israeli democracy and modern Zionism; and to do this from a progressive perspective.  We’d tackle the big philosophical issues that don’t get addressed often in political blogs: Zionism vs. Diasporism; Nakba, Right of Return, Law of Return, Religion vs secularism in Israel, etc.  I was proud and flattered that Larry found me to be a worthy partner for this project.

We began the blog and for the first few weeks it went well, though I think perhaps I didn’t participate on a regular enough basis for Larry.

Then Larry suggested we debate the issue of Nakba and Right of Return.  He warned me that he didn’t agree that the 1948 War was a crucial moral failing of Israel (though he did feel that about 1967).  So I wrote the first post about why I felt Nakba was Israel’s Original Sin and why the Right of Return must be resolved along the lines proposed by the Geneva Accords, with a quota of Palestinian refugees permitted to return to Israel as citizens if they refused the generous compensation package offered to settle elsewhere.

Larry replied with a post I thought rather unfortunately titled, The Right of Return is Wrong.  I felt that this title attempted to be punchy at the cost of presenting the issue in a nuanced way.  Frankly, I thought poorly of Larry’s defense of Israel’s behavior in 1948 and his total dismissal of ROR and Israeli responsibility for Nakba.  In fact, I even used the term “cheap and unworthy” to describe one of Larry’s arguments.  He didn’t like that.  Thought it was insulting, uncivil and violated our agreement to debate the issues in a civil manner.

I told him that though I knew we disagreed about issues, I had no idea his approach to Nakba was going to be so dismissive and I replied in the only way I knew how.

As I watched the comment threads I saw that most of the commenters were either right wingers I’d banned here for violating comment rules or they were Larry’s readers from the Jerusalem Post.  Some of my friends and allies here like Deir Yassin and Leonid came over.  But 80% of the comments were hostile.  And I have a rule that if someone is hostile to me in debate I’m hostile in reply.  It ain’t pretty I admit and people I respect take me to task for it.  But it’s really the only way I know how to deal with provocateurs, trolls and intemperate right wing racists.

All of which made me realize that I couldn’t achieve the tone Larry wanted for the blog.  So we’ve agreed to part company.  It was a worthy experiment.  It’s unfortunate it couldn’t last longer.  But it’s better to recognize something isn’t going to work and end it gracefully, than allow it to drag on with both parties festering in resentment because the partner isn’t living up to his end of the bargain (I don’t see Larry that way, but I imagine he saw me that way or would have had we continued).

I now realize something neither of us took into account before we began.  We thought we should allow comments for the blog.  But in hindsight I think if two people are debating an issue you don’t really need comments.  You are your own commenter in a blog like this.  It probably would’ve taken some of the pressure off me if we’d stopped allowing comments and just debated amongst the two of us.

At any rate, my involvement with Israel Reconsidered is ended.  I hope Larry continues to use it as his online outlet and blogs there and creates the sort of online community for himself that I’ve tried to create here.  I wish him well.

I liked those posts I wrote at Israel Reconsidered so much that I intend to republish them here in the coming days.

Israelis Welcome U.S., European Involvement in Peace Process

Tuesday, August 12th, 2008

The Geneva Initiative recently completed a poll of Israeli public opinion which reveals how strongly Israelis have changed their views about outside involvement in the peace process. The stereotype is that of the cynical Israeli who distrusts outside meddling parties, believing they “have it in” for Israel. Typical is Israel’s deep mistrust of the UN especially since the Zionism is Racism resolution of a few decades ago.  Many Israelis have an ingrained belief that international bodies are anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic.

The new poll reveals that such notions are a thing of the past:

…73% of Israelis support increasing American involvement and 58% of Israelis support increasing European involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian process.

What’s even more astonishing is that in August, 2005, when polling first began, those numbers were 47% and 40% respectively.  So despite an innate Israeli distrust of outsiders, things have gotten so bad that Israelis have grudgingly come to appreciate the potential involvement of the U.S. and Europe in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

It’s possible that Israel’s experience during the last Lebanon war may also played a role in this change.  Despite misgivings, the Olmert government allowed the UN to negotiate a ceasefire and Security Council resolution which have worked reasonably well to this day.  Perhaps this has allowed many Israelis to see that the UN is not the bogeyman and that it can serve a useful purpose in tamping down hostility in the Middle East.

This should be good news also for Barack Obama, who has staked his candidacy on an energetic involvement in the peace process in contrast to the current president.  It should reassure him that Israelis too would welcome his constructive engagement.

Of course, these findings will be shrugged off by the likes of Bibi Netanyahu and Israel-First advocates whose careers are invested in seeing outside forces as betrayers of Israel’s interests.  The poll results show these people as being completely out of touch with current Israeli opinion.

Cheney Kept Abreast of Secret Syria-Israel Talks; U.S. Held Secret Talks With Hamas, Hezbollah

Wednesday, January 17th, 2007

While everyone and their brother seems to be falling all over themselves to deny, deny, deny that such talks took place, Akiva Eldar, who broke the original story, has kept pace by breaking new ground yet again. He reports in today’s Haaretz that both senior U.S. officials and the negotiators themselves confirm that officials as high as Dick Cheney were kept informed of developments in their meetings:

Senior American government officials received regular reports of the secret meetings that took place in Europe between a former Israeli official and a Syrian representative, Haaretz has learned.

Senior officials in Washington told Haaretz that U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney was kept in the picture about these indirect talks between Syria and Israel.

Eldar also reveals the rather astonishing news (take that, Woodward) that former CIA officers participated in direct talks with Hamas and Hezbollah officials aimed at plumbing the possibility of change in both the two militant organizations’ positions and in U.S. policy toward them:

Geoffrey Aronson, of the Washington-based Foundation for Middle East Peace, who helped arrange the secret meetings, also participated last year in meetings organized by Alastair Crooke, the European Union’s former security envoy to the territories, with key Hamas and Hezbollah members.

These meetings, which took place in Beirut, were also attended by two former senior Central Intelligence Agency officials. Haaretz reported at the time that Cheney also know about the existence of these meetings, and received regular reports from the American participants.

Of course, given that Dick Cheney seems to have been riding herd over these projects is it any wonder that they don’t seem to have led anywhere? Can Dick Cheney have ever had any interest in changing U.S. policy toward Hamas, Hezbollah or Syria?? More likely, he wanted to know the substance of the talks merely so he would know how to discredit them more decisively.

Despite denials from senior officials in the prime minister’s office, Eldar presents more persuasive evidence that Olmert and staff knew full well what was going on:

Meretz-Yahad Chairman Yossi Beilin said in media interviews Tuesday that the European mediator in the secret talks was Nicholas Lang, head of the Middle East desk at the Swiss Foreign Ministry.

Lang also played a key role in organizing the Israeli-Palestinian meetings at which Beilin and Yasser Abed Rabbo drafted the Geneva Initiative, their proposal for a final-status agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. Liel, who was the driving force behind the secret meetings with Suleiman, is one of the people closest to Beilin.

Raviv Drucker, of Channel 10 television, reported last night that Lang met not long ago with Shalom Turjeman, Ehud Olmert’s political adviser, and presented him with the draft. According to Drucker, Turjeman told Lang that Israel has no interest in the understandings. Drucker also said that Lang visited Damascus several times during the talks, met with Syrian FM Farouk Shara, and reported that he believed the Syrian leadership genuinely wanted a deal.

“Israel had no interest in the understandings.” Where have we heard that one before? Remember when Olmert for weeks during the war had no interest in a Lebanon ceasefire (until he did)? Remember for months when he had no interest in meeting with Abbas (till he did at Condi’s urging)? Remember when Olmert had no interest in holding peace talks with Abbas (he never has)? “Never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” That should be written on his headstone.

The passage quoted above makes clearer why Olmert ran from this project as fast as his feet would carry him. It was the baby of Yossi Beilin, that confirmed ‘peacenik’ and leader of the dovish Meretz party. Why in heavens name would Olmert have any interest in promoting or supporting a Syrian version of the Geneva Initiative? Why? And give those “leftist peaceniks” a chance to crow that they made peace where he couldn’t (or wouldn’t)? He’d have to have been a fool to play into Beilin’s hands, right? I guess that’s the way a cynical player of the political power game would view it. But a statesman wouldn’t have viewed it that way. But Israel hasn’t seen a statesman in office since Rabin was murdered. It may not see another for quite some time. Ugh, I have a headache!

Israeli Poll: 45% Support Negotiations With Palestinian National Unity Government

Thursday, September 21st, 2006

Why doesn’t it surprise me that a plurality of Israelis recently polled favored negotiating with the proposed Palestinian national unity government which Hamas and Fatah are trying to hammer together; and yet their government takes a diametrically opposite view. After the 1967 War, the Arabs met in Khartoum and issued the famous Three No’s. Today, Ehud Olmert’s government also follows the same formula: no to talks with a national unity government, no to a Hamas-run PA, and no to final status negotiations with any Palestinian leader at any time. The first two No’s he states explicitly. The last one he doesn’t. In fact, he states precisely the opposite for public consumption. But you always have to follow what Israeli leaders do and not what they say. And Olmert will never negotiate seriously to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Here are the results, released last week, of the Market Watch Institute poll conducted on behalf of the Geneva Initiative:

The poll, which covered the Jewish population only, was fielded last Monday and Tuesday [September 11-12th] by the Market Watch Institute led by Avinoam Brog. 500 people were polled with a margin of error of four percent.

The poll…shows that 45 percent of the people support negotiations with the Palestinian unity government and 43 percent are against. 64 percent support talking with Abu Mazen, 28 percent are against, and 30 percent support talking with Hamas. 63 percent oppose talking with Hamas. These numbers indicate a rise in the number of people who support negotiating with Hamas. Four months ago, only 12 percent supported and 76 percent opposed.

The participants were also asked what Israel should do politically with the situation that has emerged after the war. 61 percent are convinced that there is a need to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority in order to achieve a permanent settlement, and only eight percent support the realignment plan which includes unilateral withdrawals from parts of the West Bank.

Head of the Geneva Initiative group Gadi Blatiansky said in response that the results of the poll reflect the public’s strong wishes to see immediate negotiations with the Palestinians. “The public is braver than the government and they will push it to the negotiating table with the new Palestinian government”…

I find it extraordinary that 45% of Israelis favor negotiating with a national unity government that includes Hamas. Furthermore, the poll deliberately excludes Israeli Arabs so if they were added the number of Israelis in favor of negotiation would rise even higher and certainly be a majority. But I find it even more extraordinary that fully 30% of Israeli Jews now support negotiating directly with Hamas. This is the same Hamas demonized by Israelis (especially Israeli politicians) as nothing more than murderers and terrorists out to exterminate the Jewish people. What is going on here? Somehow the propaganda isn’t working. A significant minority of Israelis are thinking for themselves on this issue and not paying attention to what the Netanyahus of Israel tell them.

I have stated a number of times in this blog that I am not a supporter of Hamas. Just the opposite. But it seems abundantly clear that there will be no settlement between the two parties unless Hamas is taken into account. Ignoring or shunning Hamas will not work. And I think these Israelis are a groundswell indicating budding recognition of that fact. This development heartens me.

It is also interesting that the convergence policy that brought Kadima to power in the last elections now only garners 8% of Israelis in support of it. This of course is part and parcel of the general Israeli rejection of Olmert in the aftermath of the Lebanon war fiasco. It is amazing that an idea considered the heart and soul of the ruling party has vaporized in a mere instant (or to be more exact, the six weeks it took to fight and lose the war).

I wish I was as optimistic as Blatiansky about the Israeli electorate exerting significant pressure on the government to negotiate with the national unity government. I don’t see it happening–at least not yet.

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